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Joan Arundel

Female - 1404


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  • Name Joan Arundel 
    Gender Female 
    Died 1 Sep 1404 
    Buried Etchingham, Sussex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I7659  Petersen-de Lanskoy
    Last Modified 27 May 2021 

    Family William de Bryan,   b. of Kemsing, Kent, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 23 Sep 1395 
    Last Modified 28 May 2021 
    Family ID F3349  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • RESEARCH_NOTES:
      1. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
      “JOAN ARUNDEL. She married (1st) WILLIAM DE BRYAN (or BRIAN), Knt., of Kemsing and Seale, Kent, Batheaston, Downhead, Kingsdon, and Shockerwick (in Bathford), Somerset, and Woodmansterne, Surrey, Captain of Merk Castle in the Marches of Calais, 2nd son of Guy de Bryan, KG., Lord Bryan, of Laugharne, Carmarthenshire, Walwyn's Castle, Pembrokeshire, Clifton Dartmouth and Hardness and Slapton, Devon, Woodsford, Dorset, etc., by his 2nd wife, Elizabeth, daughter of William de Montagu, Knt., 1st Earl of Salisbury, 3rd Lord Montagu, Marshal of England [see CAREW 10.ii for his ancestry]. They had no issue. In the period, 1390-5, he complained to the king and the lords in Parliament that Sir John Devereux had "estranged him from his inheritance" while he was in the king's service. SIR WILLIAM DE BRYAN died 23 Sept. 1395, and was buried at Seale, Kent. His widow, Joan, was assigned dower 1 Dec. 1397. She married (2nd) before 22 Feb. 1401 (grant of land) (as his 2nd wife) WILLIAM ECHINGHAM (or ECHYNGHAM), Knt., of Etchingham and Udimore, Sussex,* son of William de Echingham, Knt., of Etchingham, Sussex, by his wife, Elizabeth. They had one son, Thomas, Knt. In 1401 he and his wife, Joan, were granted 102 acres of arable land, 22 acres of wood, and rents in Benenden, Kent by the king. She was a legatee in the 1401 will of Agnes Arundel, widow of her brother; William Arundel, K.G. His wife, Joan, died 1 Sept. 1404. SIR WILLIAM ECHINGHAM died 20 March 1412/13 (or 30 Dec. 1413). Administration on his estate was granted in 1414. He and his 1st wife, Joan Arundel, were buried at Etchingham, Sussex. Banks Dormant & Extinct Baronage of England 2 (1808): 63-65 (sub Bryan). Nicolas Controversy between Scrape & Grosvenor 2 (1832): 245-255. Banks Baronies in Fee 1 (1844): 198-199 (sub Robert Echingham). Arch. Jour. 7 (1850): 265-273. Hall Ecingham of Echyngham (1850): 13. Top. & Gen. 2 (1853): 312-339 (cites Vincent's Colls. in College of Arms); 3 (1858): 254-255. Sussex Arch. Colls. 8 (1856): 96-131; 9 (1857): 343-360; 30 (1880): 142-143; 77 (1936): 166-172 (Echingham arms: Azure fretty argent). Arch. Aelina n.s. 4 (1860): 194-195 ("Sir William de Bryan, knt., brother of Guy the younger, and eventual heir-male. [He bore] the same coat [Gold, three blue piles from the chief, conjoined at base], a canton paly of four, silver and blue, charged with a red bend, thereon three golden eagles displayed. This difference is from maternal grandmother Grandison. (Willemenes Roll). The piles only, for himself; and the same impaling Fitzalan and Maltravers quarterly, for his wife. Brass, 1395, Seal ch., Kent."). Hutchins Hist. & Antiqs. of Dorset 1(1861): 448 (Bryan ped.); 3 (1868): 322-323 (Arundel ped.). Misc. Gen. et Heraldica 1st Ser. 2 (1876): 332 (identification of 2nd wife). C.P.R. 1399-1401 (1903): 434. Genealogist n.s. 21(1905): 243-245. Benolte et al. Vis, of Sussex 1530 & 1633-4 (H.S.P. 53) (1905): 124-126 (Echingham ped.: "Sr Willrn. Echingham of Echingham in com. Sussex Lord of the mannor of Echingham. = Joane d. of John FitzAllen Lord Matrevers."). Notes & Queries for Somerset & Dorset 9 (1905): 297-302. C.P. 2 (1912): 361-362 (sub Bryan); 6 (1926): 565-567 (sub Hoo). VCH Surrey 4 1912): 249. Woodruff & Churchill Sede Vacante IF//s (Kent Arch. Soc. Recs. 3) (1914): 18. C.C.R. 1385-1389 (1921): 372, 425, 475-476. C.C.R. 1396-1399 (1927): 185, 376-377, 524-525. Wedgwood Hist. of Parl. 1 (1936): 466 (biog. of Thomas Hoo). Cal. Inqs. Misc. 7 (1968): 280. VCH Somerset 3 (1974): 111-120, 129-153. TG 5 (1984): 131-157. Saul Scenes from Provincial Life (1986). CaZls. IPM 20 (1995): 7. National Archives, SC 8/94/4685 (petition dated c.1390-5 from William de Brien, Knt., to the king and the lords in this present parliament, who requests an audience so that he is able to show the king the truth of the matter concerning the lands of Guy de Briene in England and Wales which he held for his life with remainder to the petitioner. While Brien was in the king's service Sir John Devereux, Knt. estranged him from his inheritance, and Brien requests remedy so he can recover his right) (available at www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
      [Note: " William Echingham married (1st) Alice Batisford, daughter and co-heiress of William Batisford, of Buckholt (in Bexhill), Sussex, by Margery, daughter and heiress of Simon de Peplesham. His wife, Alice, was named in a Sussex fine dated 1397-8 [see Salzman Feet of Fines Rel. Sussex 3 (Sussex Rec. Soc. 23) (1916): 208-210]. They had two daughters, Joan (wife of John Rykhill) and Elizabeth (wife of Thomas Hoo, Knt., and Thomas Lewknor, Knt. [see CLAVERING 7, LEWKNOR 9, MORLEY 8]).]”