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- RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
“ROBERT DE QUINCY (or QUENCY), of Tranent, Fawside, and Longniddry, East Lothian, Scotland, Grantchester, Cambridgeshire, Long Buckby, Northamptonshire, etc., Justiciar of Lothian, c.1170-78, 2nd son, born about 1140. He married ORABEL FITZ NESS, daughter and heiress of Ness Fitz William (also known as Ness Fitz Countess), of Leuchars, Fife and Abbots Deuglie (in Arngask), Perthshire. They had one son, Saher (or Saier), Knt. [1st Earl of Winchester], and one daughter, ___. Sometime in the period, 1165-73, he witnessed a charter for William the Lion, King of Scots, by which the king confirmed the hermitage of Muswell, Buckinghamshire to Missenden Abbey. He was heir to his nephew, Saher de Quincy. Sometime before 1203 Orabel granted eight acres in Gask to Inchaffray Abbey. He and Orabel were subsequently divorced; she married (2nd) GILCHRIST, 3rd Earl of Mar, and died before 30 June 1203. Robert married (2nd) EVE ___. He accompanied King Richard I on the 3rd Crusade in 1190-1. In 1200 he and his son, Saher, witnessed a charter of Gilbert, Earl of Stratheam, and his wife, Maud d'Aubeney (Robert's niece), to Inchaffray Abbey. ROBERT DE QUINCY was living 1205-6, when he owed £20 to a Jew, Aaron, but dead in 1207-8 when his son answered that debt.
Baker Hist. & Antiqs. of Northampton 1(1822-30): 563 (Beaumont-Quincy ped.). Notes & Oueries 4th Ser. 11 (1873): 269-271, 305-308. Cowan Royal House of Stuart 1(1908): 54-60. Lindsay et al. Charters, Bulls & other Docs. rel. to the Abbey of Inchaffray (Scottish Hist. Soc. 56) (1908): lxxxvi-lxxxix, 270. Salter Boarstall Cartulary (Oxford Hist. Soc. 1st ser. 88) (1930): 104-105. Paget (1957) 464:1-2 (Lord of Buckby; accompanied Richard I to the Holy Land, 1191; fought in Normandy 1194; great favourite with William the Lion, King of Scotland; obtained from him the Lordship of Travernent in Lothian; made justice of Lothian by William the Lion).
Children of Robert de Quincy; by Orabel Fitz Ness:
i. SAHER DE QUINCY, Knt., 1st Earl of Winchester [see next].
ii. ___ DE QUINCY (daughter), married ___ DE SAINT ANDREW. They had two sons, Saher, Knt., and Roger, Knt. C
Children of ___ de Quincy, by ___ de Saint Andrew:
a. SAHER DE SAINT ANDREW, Knt., of East Haddon, Northamptonshire, Arrington and Hinxton, Cambridgeshire, and Gotham, Nottinghamshire, Collessie, Fife, etc. He married MAUD DE DIVE, daughter and co-heiress of William de Dive. They had two sons, Robert, Knt., and Saher (Rector of Gotham, Nottinghamshire). He and his brother, Roger, joined the baronial revolt against King John. Saher returned to the king's faith in 1217, and recovered seisin of his lands in Northamptonshire and Nottinghamshire. In 1227 his wife, Maud, sued Richard Trussel in a plea of land in Yorkshire. In 1227 Simon de Muscegros and his wife, Asceline, sued Thomas de Haddon regarding one-third interest in two virgates of land in Haddon, Northamptonshire; Saher de Saint Andrew and his wife, Maud, and Richard de Muscegros and his wife, Alice, joint tenants with the plaintiffs, were summoned and named in the writ but did not wish to sue in respect of these shares. He served in the Brittany expedition in 1230, as a knight of Margaret, Countess of Winchester. He was granted 100 shillings of land in Crokeston and Kerdington by Margaret de Quincy, Countess of Winchester. About 1250 he witnessed a charter of Richard de Harcourt, Knt., of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire in favor of his son, William de Harcourt. He was one of the closest confidants of his cousin, Roger de Quincy, Earl of Winchester, witnessing 29 of the earl's surviving charters. SIR SAHER DE SAINT ANDREW was living in 1253, when he was involved in litigation regarding property at Corby, Lincolnshire. In 1260 his widow, Maud, had quittance of common summons in Cambridgeshire. Throsby Thoroton's Hist. of Nottinghamshire 1 (1790): 34-42 (Saint Andrew ped.). Dugdale Monasticon Anglicanum 4 (1823): 492 (charter of Saher de Saint Andrew to Littlemore Nunnery, Oxfordshire; charter names the grantor's "uncle" [avunculi] [Saher de Quincy] Earl of Winchester, and the grantor's son Robert de Quincy and his [Robert's] brothers [Roberti de Quinci filii mei, et fratrum suorum]), 493. Mundy Vis. of Nottingham 1569 & 1614 (H.S.P. 4) (1871): 78- 81 (St. Andrew ped). Notes & Queries 4th Ser. 11 (1873): 305-308 ("The notes of Dr. Joseph Robertson ... are confirmed by original charters of Saher, Earl of Winton ... In these, Orabelle is mentioned as Saber's mother, and Roger de St. Andrew and Seher de St. Andrew as his nephews."). Birch Cat. of Seals in the British Museum 2 (1892): 397 (seal of Maud de Saint Andrew dated c.1270-Pointed oval. In long dress, flat head-dress, in the right hand a fleur-de-lis, in the left hand a large shield of arms. Standing on a corbel. Arms: seven mascles, three, three, and one, a label of four points, ST. ANDREW. Legend: * S' MATILDIS : DE : SANCTO : ANDREA. Beaded borders.). C.P.R. 1225-1232 (1903): 358. Dowden Chartulary of the Abbey of Lindores 1195-1479 (1903): 98-99 (undated charter of Sir Serbo [recte Saher] de Saint Andrew]. MSS of the Duke of Rutland 4 (Hist. MSS Comm. 24) (1905): 9 (charter of Richard de Harcourt dated c.1250; charter witnessed by Sir Roger de Quincy, Earl of Winchester, Sir Robert de Quincy, and Sir Saher de Saint Andrew). Lindsay et al. Charters, Bulls & Other Docs. rel. the Abbey of Inchaffray (Scottish Hist. Soc. 56) (1908): 199-200, 281. Macray Coll. of Brackly Deeds at Magdalen College, Oxford (1910): 13. Leys Sandford Cartulary 1 (Oxfordshire Rec. Soc. 19) (1938): 67-68, 69-70 (confirmation charter of Saher de Saint Andrew dated c. 1236); 2 (Oxfordshire Rec. Soc. 22) (1941): 253-254. Jenkins Cal. of the Rolls of the Justices on Eyre 1227 (Buckinghamshire Arch. Soc. 6) (1945): 1, 18-19. Hatton Book of Seals (1950): 11-13, 13-14, 47-48, 288-289. Paget Baronage of England (1957): 464:2 (sub Quincy). Stringer Essays on the Nobility of Medieval Scotland (1985): 102-129. Dugdale Vis. of Nottinghamshire 1662-4 (H.S.P. n.s. 5) (1986): 19-21. Maddicott Simon de Montfort (1996): 64. Oxford, Magdalene College, Whitfield 13 (1), (2).
b. ROGER DE SAINT ANDREW, Knt., of Littlemore, Oxfordshire, Collessie, Fife, etc. About 1210-18 he granted the Hospital at Brackley, Northamptonshire 40s. of rent from his land at Collessie, Fife in Scotland. He and his brother, Saher, joined the baronial revolt against King John and Roger was imprisoned in 1216-17. Before 1224 he was granted land at Littlemore, Oxfordshire by Margaret, Countess of Winchester. He was troubled by debts in 1227 and 1228. He served in the Brittany expedition in 1230. Before 1235 he made grants of lands in Littlemore, Oxfordshire to Garendon Abbey and Brackley Hospital. He also granted lands at Collessie, Fife to Brackley Hospital. Soon after 1235 he granted the manor of Littlemore, Oxfordshire to the Templars. SIR ROGER DE SAINT ANDREW was probably dead before 1249. Notes & Queries 4th Ser. 11 (1873): 305-308. Fourth Rpt. (Hist. MSS Comm. 3) (1874): 460. Lindsay et al. Charters, Bulls & Other Docs. Rel. the Abbey of Inchaffray (Scottish Hist. Soc. 56) (1908): 281. Les Sandford Cartulary 1 (Oxfordshire Rec. Soc. 19) (1938): 67-68, 68-69 (charter of Roger de Saint Andrew dated c. 1230), 69 (letters patent of Roger de Saint Andrew dated c.1230), 71-74. VCH 0xford 5 (1957): 208. Stringer Essays on the Nobility of Medieval Scotland (1985): 102-129.”
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Chris & Julie Petersen's Genealogy
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