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Isabel de Saint John

Female Abt 1333 - 1393  (~ 60 years)


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  • Name Isabel de Saint John 
    Born Abt 1333 
    Gender Female 
    Died From 16 Oct 1393 to 17 Oct 1393 
    Person ID I6806  Petersen-de Lanskoy
    Last Modified 27 May 2021 

    Family Luke de Poynings,   d. From 5 Jun 1376 to 4 Jul 1376 
    Married Bef 29/29 Jan 1348/9 
    Last Modified 28 May 2021 
    Family ID F3020  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • RESEARCH_NOTES:
      1. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
      “ISABEL DE SAINT JOHN, de jure suo jure Lady Saint John of Basing, younger daughter, born about 1333 (aged 14 in 1347). She was co-heiress in 1347 to her brother, Edmund de Saint John, 3rd Lord Saint John. She married (1st) before August 1347 HENRY DE BURGHERSH, son and heir apparent of Bartholomew de Burghersh, Knt., 3rd Lord Burghersh, by Elizabeth, daughter and co-heiress of Thebaud de Verdun, Knt., 2nd Lord Verdun [see BURGHERSH 7 for his ancestry]. They had no issue. He died in Nov. 1348. She married (2nd) before 29 Jan. 1348/9 LUKE DE POYNINGS (or PONYNGES), Knt., in right of his wife, of Basing, Amport, etc., Hampshire, Halnaker, Sussex, West Shefford, Berkshire, etc., Keeper of Pamper Forest, Hampshire, younger son of Thomas de Poynings, Knt., of Poynings, Sussex, by Agnes, younger daughter and co-heiress of Richard de Rokesley (or Rokesle), Knt. [see POYNINGS 13 for his ancestry]. They had one son, Thomas, Knt. [5th Lord Saint John of Basing], and one daughter, Joan. In 1358 he was preparing to go abroad. His wife, Isabel, was heiress in 1361 to her nephew, John de Saint Philibert He was summoned to Parliament from 24 Feb. 1367/8 to 20 Jan. 1375/6, by writs directed Luce de Ponynges, whereby he is held to have become Lord Saint John. He presented to the churches of Warnford, Hampshire, 1369, Sherbome St John, Hampshire, 1371, and Chawton, Hampshire, 1372. In 1370 he took 10 men-at-arms overseas in the king's service. SIR LUKE DE POYNINGS, 4th Lord Saint John of Basing, left a will dated 5 June 1376, proved 4 July 1376. He was buried at Wamford, Hampshire. In 1377 his widow, Isabel, Walter Devenish, parson of Chawton, and Thomas Worting owed Master Adam de Wigmore and other executors of Luke de Poynings a debt of £460. In 1378 she granted a messuage and two crofts of land in Bramley, Hampshire to Humphrey Gylot, of Bramley, and Elizabeth his wife. She presented to the church of Warnford, Hampshire in 1381. Isabel married (3rd) before 1 March 1384 (date of license) THOMAS DE WORTYNG (or WORTYNGE), Knt., Justice of the Peace in Hampshire, 1389. He and his wife, Isabel, presented to the church of Wamford, Hampshire in 1387. He presented to the church of Chawton, Hampshire in June 1390. In June 1390 the king gave license to him and his wife, Isabel, to grant the manor of Binsted, Hampshire to William de Wykeham, Bishop of Winchester. SIR THOMAS DE WORTYNG died testate shortly before 20 Dec. 1390. Isabel, Lady Saint John, died 16 (or 17) October 1393.
      Dugdale Baronage of England 2 (1676): 463-465 (sub Port). Hasted Hist. & Top. Survey of Kent 2 (1797): 268-270. Brydges Collins' Peerage of England 9 (1812): 475-476 (sub Poynings, Lord Poynings). Berry County Gens.: Sussex Fams. (1830): 61. Burke Gen'l & Heraldic Dict. of the Peerages of England, Ireland & Scotland (1831): 457-458 (sub St. John). Dallaway Hist. of the Western Division of the County of Sussex 2(2) (1832): 124 (Saint John ped.). Sussex Arch. Colls. 15 (1863): 1-56. Elwes Hist. of the Castles, Mansions & Manors of Western Sussex (1876): 40 (Poynings ped.). Burke Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited & Extinct Peerages (1883): 466-467 (sub St. John). Burrows Fam. of Brocas of Beauroaire & Roche Court (1886): 364-366 (seal of Isabel, lady de St. John dated 1378 bears three lozenges, containing the arms of Poynings, St. John, and Burghersh), opposite 408 (illustration of seal), 409-410. Kirby Wykeham's Reg. 1(1896): 25, 38, 45, 78, 113, 137, 160, 174; 2 (1899): 256-258 (will of Luke de Ponynges, Lord Saint John), 430, 443. List of Foregn Accounts (Lists & Indexes XI) (1900): 222. C.P.R. 1388-1392 (1902): 137, 265, 312. VCH Hampshire 2 (1903): 496 (Poynings arms: Barry gold and vert with a baston gules); 3 (1908): 269; 4 (1911): 115-116, 158-159, 337-344, 433-435. Wrottesley Peels, from the Plea Rolls (1905): 78. List of lnqs. ad Quad Damnum 2 (PRO Lists and Indexes 22) (1906): 674. C.P. 2 (1912): 426 (sub Burghersh); 10 (1945): 665-666 (sub Poynings); 11 (1949): 327-328 (sub Saint John), 367 (sub Saint Philibert). VCH Berkshire 4 (1924): 238-242. VCH Sussex 4 (1953): 140-150. Paget Baronage of England (1957) 463: 1. Ancient Deeds - Ser. A 1 (List & Index Soc. 151) (1978): 81. Hanna Cartularies of Southwick Priory 2 (Hampshire Recs. 10) (1989): 152. Bothwell Edward III & the English Peerage (2004): 104. Hanna Christchurch Priory Cartulary (Hampshire Rec. Ser. 18) (2007): 374-375. National Archives, C 131/27/24; C 131/27/25; C 131/30/4; C 131/197/24; C 143/418/9; C 241/164/132 (available at www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
      Children of Isabel de Saint John, by Luke de Poynings, Knt.:
      i. THOMAS POYNINGS, Knt. [see next.).
      ii. JOAN DE POYNINGS, married HENRY DE FERRERS, Knt., 4th Lord Ferrers of Groby [see GROBY 12].”

      2. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
      “THOMAS DE POYNINGS, Knt., of Poynings, Slaugham, and Twineham, Sussex, Bures, Suffolk, etc., son and heir. He married about 1317 AGNES DE ROKESLEY (or ROKESLE), daughter and co-heiress of Richard de Rokesley, Knt., of Westwood (in Preston) and Ruxley, Kent, Aldbury, Hertfordshire, etc., Seneschal of Poitou, Governor of Poitou and Montreuil, by Joan, daughter of Bertram de Criol. She was born about 1299 (aged 22 in 1321). They had five sons, Michael, Knt. [1st Lord Poynings], Thomas, John, Luke [4th Lord Saint John], and Richard. In 1323 he was preparing for service in Scotland under John de Warenne, Earl of Surrey. In 1324 he was going to Aquitaine with Edmund, Earl of Kent. He took part in the Dunstable tournament in 1333. He was summoned for service against the Scots in 1335 and 1337. In 1336 he was appointed one of the custodians of the ports and coasts of Surrey and Sussex against the Scots and their foreign allies. In 1337 he was granted an annuity of 200 marks, until he should receive an equivalent in land, in recognition of his good services to the king's late brother, John of Eltham, and of his then engagement with the king. He served with a retinue in the king's expedition to Flanders in 1338. He was present at Antwerp in July 1339. SIR THOMAS DE POYNINGS was killed in an attack on the castle of Honnecourt, on the St. Quentin canal, arr. Cambrai 10 October 1339. His widow, Agnes, died shortly before 22 Dec. 1346, and was buried at Poynings, Sussex. Ireland Hist. of the County of Kent 4 (1830): 529-530. Procs. Soc. Antiq. 3 (1856): 160-161 (re. Rokesley family). Rye Short Cal. Feet of Fines for Norfolk 2 (1886): 275,298. Copinger Manors of Suffolk 1 (1905): 45-49. List of Inqs. ad Quod Damnum 2 (PRO Lists and Indexes 22) (1906): 671. VCH Herfford 2 (1908): 143-148. VCH Sussex 7 (1940): 183,189,209. C.P. 10 (1945): 659-660 (sub Poynings). Sanders English Baronies (1960): 45. D.N.B. 17 (1909): 155-156 (biog. of Gregory de Rokesley). Paget Baronage of England (1957) 159:1-5 (sub Criol). National Archives, SC 8/67/3338 (petition dated c.1324 by Thomas de Poningges and Agnes his wife to the king and council, who state that Bartholomew de Badlesmere held certain tenements of Richard de Rokesle, of his manor of Westwood, Kent, which now belongs to Thomas and Agnes, who is his daughter and one of his heirs, and that they were always seised of the services due for these tenements until they were taken into the king's hand because of Bartholomew's forfeiture. Thomas and Agnes request a remedy.) (available at www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
      Children of Thomas de Poynings, Knt., by Agnes de Rokesley:
      i. MICHAEL DE POYNINGS, Knt., In Lord Poynings [see next].
      ii. LUKE DE POYNINGS, 4th Lord Saint John of Basing, married ISABEL DE SAINT JOHN [see PAULET 10.]”