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Ralph de Tony

Male Abt 1140 - 1162  (~ 22 years)


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  • Name Ralph de Tony 
    Born Abt 1140  of Flamstead, Hampshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Died 1162 
    Person ID I6330  Petersen-de Lanskoy
    Last Modified 27 May 2021 

    Father Roger de Tony,   b. Abt 1104,   d. From 1157 to 1162, of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 53 years) 
    Mother Ida or Idénie of Hainault 
    Married Bef 1135 
    Family ID F2772  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Margaret of Leicester,   d. Aft 1185 
    Married Aft 1155 
    Children 
     1. Roger de Tony,   b. Abt 1160, of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. From 1208 to 1209  (Age ~ 48 years)
     2. Ida de Tony,   b. of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location
    Last Modified 28 May 2021 
    Family ID F2771  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • RESEARCH_NOTES:
      1. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
      “RALPH DE TONY (or DE CONCHES), Knt., of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, South Tawton, Devon, Walthamstow, Essex, Necton, Norfolk, Painscasde, Radnorshire, etc., seigneur of Toéni (now Tosny) in Normandy, born about 1140. He married after 1155 MARGARET OF LEICESTER, daughter of Robert of Meulan, Knt., 1st Earl of Leicester, by Atnice, daughter of Raoul, seigneur of Gael in Brittany and Bréteuil in Normandy [see LEICESTER 6 for her ancestry]. She was born about 1125 (aged 60 in 1185). They had one son, Roger, Knt., and one daughter, Ida. At an unknown date, he gave 30 acres in Brinkley, Cambridgeshire to Warden Abbey, Bedfordshire. He witnessed a charter for King Henry II at Bonneville-sur-Touques in 1156-60. SIR RALPH DE TONY died in 1162, when Robert de Port rendered account for his lands. His widow, Margaret, was living in 1185.
      Clutterbuck Hist. & Antiq. of the County of Hertford (1815): 353-360. Charpillon Dictionnaire historique de toutes les Communes du Département de l'Eure (1868): 791-800. Maclean Parochial & Fam. Hist. of Blisland (1868): 64-66 (Tony-Beauchamp ped.). Great Roll of the Pipe A.D. 1161-1162 (Pipe Roll Soc. 5) (1885): 25 (Waltheof[Waldeuo] styled "nephew" or "kinsman" [nepoti] of Ralph de Tony). Great Roll of the Pipe A.D. 1162-1163 (Pipe Roll Soc. 6) (1886): 9. Madan Greslgs of Drakelove (Colls. Hist. Staffs. n.s. 1) (1898): 1-15. Metals Châteaux en .Eure-et-I -oir 2 (Archives du Diocese de Chartres 13) (1908): Nogent-le-Roi, son Château et ses Seigneurs, 4-5. Round Rotud de D omina us et Pueris et Puellis de XII Comitatibus [11857 (Pipe Roll Soc., vol. 35) (1913): 77 ("Margareta de Tony est de donatione omini Regis, et est .1x. annorum; tef-ra sua in Welcumestowe [Walthamstow] valet per annum .xxiiij. l."). Delisle Recueil des Actes de Henri II 1 (1916): 240-241. English Hist. Rev. 32 (1917): 245-248. Farrer Feudal Cambridgeshire (1920): 50 (chart). CP. 12(1) (1953): 764-765 (sub Tony). Sanders English Baronies (1960): 117. VCH Essex 6 (1973): 3-263. VCH Cambridge 6 (1978): 136-141. Procs. Battle Conference on Anglo-Norman Studies 2 (1979): 118-140. Mason Beauchamp Cartulary Charters 1100-1268 (Pubs. Pipe Roll Soc. n.s. 43) (1980): lx (Tosny ped.). Tanner Fams., Friends, Allies (2004): 303 (chart). Bienvenu Grand Cartulaire de Fontevraud 2 (2005): 602-603 (list of children of Roger de Toeni). Gilbert of Mons Chronicle of Hainaut (2005): 34-35.
      Children of Ralph de Tony, Knt., by Margaret of Leicester
      i. ROGER DE TONY, Knt. [see next].
      ii. IDA DE TONY, mistress to HENRY II, King of England; afterwards married ROGER LE BIGOD, Earl of Norfolk [see BIGOD 6].”

      2. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
      “ROGER DE TONY (or DE CONCHES), of Flamstead, Hertfordshire, Whittlesford, Cambridgeshire, South Tawton, Devon, Walthamstow, Essex, Holkham and Necton, Norfolk, Painscastle, Radnorshire, etc., seigneur of Conches and Nogent-le-Roi, born about 1104, and succeeded in 1126. He married before 1135 IDA (or IDENIE) DE HAINAULT, daughter of Baudouin III, Count of Hainault, by Yolande, daughter of Gerald I de Wassenberg, Count of Guelders. They had five sons, Ralph, Knt., Hugh, Roger, Knt., Baldwin, Knt., and Geoffrey (clerk), and two daughters, Elizabeth and Godeheut. He was granted 20 librates of land out of the royal demesne at East Bergholt, Suffolk by King Henry I. He made a grant to the Coulombs Abbey about 1130. In 1133 Hugh de Châteauneuf assaulted his castle at Nogent-le-Roi near Chartres. In 1138 he was engaged in a private war in France with the Earl of Leicester. At an unknown date, he confirmed the manor of East Wretham, Norfolk to Bec Abbey, including the half which the abbey has received from Coulombs in exchange for tithes near Anct. ROGER DE TONY died 1157-62.
      Blomefield Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 2 (1801): 319-330. Clutterbuck Hist. & Antiq. of the County of Hertford l (1815): 353-360. Dugdale Monasticon Anglicanum 6(2) (1846): 995 (charter of Roger son of Ralph de Tony the younger to Wootten Wawen Priory, Warwickshire; charter names Ida his wife). Munford Analysis of the Domesday Book of the County of Norfolk (1858): 32-34. Merlet Hist. a l’Abbaye de N.-D. de Coulombs (1864): 85-86 (charter of Roger de Thony dated c.1130; which charter names his wife, Idenia, and mentions manors in England named Bercoth [East Bergholt?] and Wensendona.). Charpillon Dictionnaire historique de toutes les Communes du Département de l'Eure (1868): 791-800. Maclean Parochial & Fam. Hist. of Blirland (1868): 64-66 (Tony-Beauchamp ped.). Chronica Hanoniæ (1040-1195) (Mémoires de la Société Historique et Litteraire de Tournai 14) (1874): 78 ("Balduinus autem Comes Hanoniensis de Yolende uxore sua filios habuit Balduirium primum et Gerardum secundum, et filias duas, quarum una Domino de Thoenio maritata fuit, alias vero Castellano Tomacensi."). Great Roll of the Pipe AD. 1158-1159 (Pipe Roll Soc. 1) (1884): 8. Great Roll of the Pipe AD. 1162-1163 (Pipe Roll Soc. 6) (1886); 28. Great Roll of the Pipe AD. 1164-1165 (Pipe Roll Soc. 8) (1887): 3, 71. Madan Gresleys of Drakelowe (Colls. Hist. Staffs. n.s. 1) (1898): 1-15. Revue historique et archiologique du Maine 47 (1900): 29-52. Cal. IPM 1 (1904): 184-192. Metais Chikeaux en Eure-et-Loir2 (Archives du Diocese de Chartres 13) (1908): Nogent-le-Roi, son Château et ses Seigneurs, 4-5 (author states Roger de Tony died c.1150). Metais Eglises & Chapelles du Diocese de Chartres 4th Ser. (Archives du Diocese de Chartres 15) (1908): Eglise abbatiale de Coulombs, 5-6. Farrer Feudal Cambridgeshire (1920): 50 (chart). C.P. 12(1) (1953) 762-764 (sub Tony). Sanders English Baronies (1960): 117. VCH Essex 6 (1973): 253-263. Ancient Deeds - Ser. A1 (List & Index Soc. 151) (1978): 27-28. VCH Cambridge 6 (1978): 136-141; 8 (1978): 263-276.. Procs. Battle Conference on Anglo-Norman Studies 2 (1979): 118-140. Mason Beauchamp Cartulary Charters 1100-1268 (Pipe Roll Soc. n.s. 43) (1980): lx (Tosny ped.), 203. Schwennicke Europäische Stammtafeln 2 (1984): 6 (ancestry of Gertrude de Hainaut). Harper-Bill Dodnash Priory Charters (Suffolk Charters 16) (1998): 6-7. Power Norman Frontier in the 126 & Early 13th Cents. (2004): 228, 296-297, 382 (chart). Tanner Fams., Friends, & Allies (2004): 291 (chart), 303 (chart). Bienvenu Grand Cartulaire de Fontevraud 2 (2005): 602-603 ("Postmodum Rogerius de Toenio, ejusdem Radulphi filius, particeps esse volens patris eleemosynae…Dedit etiam hanc libertatem...Concessit hoc id [sic, for Ida] uxor ejusdem Rogerii et filii eorum, Radulphus, Hugo, Rogerius, Balduini, Gaufridus, et filiae eorum, Elizabeth et Godehildis."), 615 (charter of Roger de Toeni and Ida his wife). Gilbert of Mons Chronicle of Hainaut (2005): 34-35 ("The oftmentioned Baldwin III count of Hainaut ... had as wife ... Yolende, daughter of Count Gérard of Gueldre, from whom Baldwin had sons: the eldest, Baldwin, ... and the second, Gérard, and two daughters, one of whom was married to the lord of Tosny, and the other to the castellan of Tournai ... the daughter who was married to the lord of Tosny had three sons who were distinguished knights of great name: the first was Ralph, the second was Roger and the third was Baldwin, and the fourth son Geoffrey was a pious clerk, honest and sufficiently learned ... The firstborn Ralph ... had a son Roger who succeeded him in his properties.") ,
      Children of Roger de Toni, by Ida of Hainaut:
      i. RALPH DE TONY, Knt [see next].
      ii. GODEHILDE DE TONY, married WILLIAM DE MOHUN, of Dunster, Somerset [see MOHUN 5].”