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Isabel or Elizabeth de Vermandois

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  • Name Isabel or Elizabeth de Vermandois 
    Gender Female 
    Died From 13 Feb 1147 to 17 Feb 1147 
    Person ID I6315  Petersen-de Lanskoy
    Last Modified 27 May 2021 

    Father Hugues le Grand,   b. Abt 1057,   d. 18 Oct 1101, Tarsus, Cilicia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 44 years) 
    Mother Adèle de Vermandois,   d. From 28 Sep 1120 to 28 Sep 1124 
    Married Abt 1080 
    Family ID F2756  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Robert of Meulan,   d. 5 Jun 1118 
    Married 1096 
    Children 
     1. Waleran II de Meulan,   b. 1104,   d. From 9 Apr 1166 to 10 Apr 1166, Préaux, Seine-Maritime, Upper Normandy, France Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 62 years)
     2. Robert "le Bossu" of Meulan,   b. 1104,   d. 5 Apr 1168  (Age 64 years)
     3. Hugh of Meulan
     4. Adeline of Meulan
     5. Aubrey of Meulan
     6. Maud of Meulan,   d. Aft 1189
     7. Isabel of Meulan,   d. Aft 1172
    Last Modified 28 May 2021 
    Family ID F2641  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 William de Warenne,   d. 11 May 1138 
    Married Aft 1118 
    Children 
     1. William de Warenne,   b. 1119,   d. 19/19 Jan 1147/8, Laodicea, Turkey Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 29 years)
     2. Ralph de Warenne
     3. Reynold de Warenne,   d. Aft 1179
     4. Ada de Warenne,   d. 1178
     5. Gundred de Warenne,   d. Aft 1166
    Last Modified 28 May 2021 
    Family ID F2755  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • RESEARCH_NOTES:
      1. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
      “ISABEL (or ELIZABETH) DE VERMANDOIS, married (1st) in early 1096 ROBERT OF MEULAN (or DE BEAUMONT), Knt.,* Count of Meulan, seigneur of Beaumont, Pont-Audemer, Brionne, and Vatteville (all in Normandy), son and heir of Roger de Beaumont, seigneur of Pont Audemer, Brionne, la Haye-Aubrée, Sahuz, Tourville, Vieilles, etc., chatelain of Beaumont-le-Roger, by Adeline (or Aline), daughter of Waleran (or Galeran) [I], Count of Meulan. He was born about 1046. They had three sons, Waleran (or Galeran) [II] [Count of Meulan, Earl of Worcester], Robert, Knt. [1st Earl of Leicester], and Hugh [said to be Earl of Bedford], and five daughters, including Adeline (wife of Hugues IV, seigneur of Montfort-sur-Risle), Aubrey (wife of Hugues II, seigneur of Châteauneuf), Maud, and Isabel (or Elizabeth). When he was very young, he accompanied William, Duke of Normandy [future King William], to England and distinguished himself at the Battle of Hastings in 1066. He subsequently received large grants of land in Warwickshire, with smaller holdings in Leicestershire, Northamptonshire, and Wiltshire. Sometime in the period, 1066-77, Robert and his father, Roger, attested a royal confirmation for St.-Etienne, Caen. As "Robert de Beaumont," he witnessed a charter of Eudes, Bishop of Bayeux [half-brother of King William the Conqueror] dated probably in 1079. In 1080 he and his father were present at the king's court in Normandy. Robert became Count of Meulan about autumn 1080, following the death of his maternal uncle, Hugues II, Count of Meulan. As "Robert, Count of Meulan," he attested a charter of King Philippe I of France dated 6 Jan. 1082 following the Christmas court of King Philippe I in 1081. He was back at the Norman ducal court on 5 Sept. 1082, where he joined his father and brother as witnesses to a suit adjudicated in the presence of King William the Conqueror. About 1088 he quarreled with Duke Robert of Normandy about the castellanship of Brionne, in consequence of the exchange of Brionne for Ivry made by his father. He was present at the ducal court in 1087, 1088, 1089, 1091, and on three further occasions during the early 1090s. In 1097, when King William Rufus invaded France, he admitted him to his castle of Meulan. He was present at the king's death in 1100. On the accession of King Henry I, he supported Henry in the general rising which followed and became his trusted counsellor. On the death of Ives de Grandmesnil on Crusade, he retained his estates, which Ives had mortgaged to him about 1102. Thereby he acquired one-quarter of the town of Leicester, the whole of which was later granted to him by the king. After obtaining the whole town of Leicester, he is said to have become Earl of Leicester, but being already Count of Meulan, he was never so styled. In 1103 he was dispatched by King Henry on a mission to Normandy. The same year he betrothed his infant daughter to Amaury, youngest son of Simon de Montfort, as part of a treaty to end conflicts amongst the "warlike marchers." In 1104 he was one of the Norman barons who adhered to King Henry on his arrival in Normandy. He was present in the king's army at the Battle of Tenchebrai in 1106. In 1110 he was besieged at Meulan by King Louis VI, who took the castle by storm. In the following year he retaliated by a raid on Paris, which he plundered. In 1112 he gave the manor of Chisenbury, Wiltshire for the kitchen of the monks of Bec Abbey. ROBERT OF MEULAN, Count of Meulan, died 5 June 1118, and was buried in the chapter-house of the Abbey of St.-Pierre, Preaux. His widow, Isabel, married (2nd) WILLIAM DE WARENNE, 2nd Earl of Surrey (usually styled Earl of Warenne), son and heir of William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey, by his 1st wife, Gundred, sister of Gerbod the Fleming, Earl of Chester. They had three sons, William [3rd Earl of Surrey], Ralph, and Reynold, and two daughters, Ada and Gundred. In 1090 he was among those fighting in Normandy against Robert de Belleme who was supported by Duke Robert. He witnessed three charters of the king at Windsor in Sept. 1101. In autumn 1101 he accompanied Duke Robert to Normandy, supporting him against the king, and was deprived of his inheritance in England. In 1103, however, as a result of the duke's intercession, he was restored to the earldom of Surrey by the king. In 1106 he accompanied the king to Normandy, and commanded a division of his army at the Battle of Tinchebrai. In 1109 he was present at a council held at Nottingham. In 1110 he was with the king at Dover, becoming a surety for the performance of the treaty with Robert, Count of Flanders. In 1111 he was one of the optimates who acted in a judicial capacity in a plea in Normandy; about that time he was given the castle of Saint-Saens by the king, which had been forfeited by Elias de Saint-Saens. In 1119 he commanded a division at the Battle of Brémule. In 1131 he was present a the council at Northampton. He was one of the earls present at the death of King Henry I 1 Dec. 1135. The same month he was given the administration of the region of Rouen and the pays de Caux. He was present at the court of King Stephen at Easter 1136. William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey, died 11 May 1138, and was buried at his father's feet in the chapter-house at Lewes, Sussex. His widow, Isabel, was living c.1138. She died 13 (or 17) February, sometime before June 1147, when her son, William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey, left on crusade.
      (* The latest datable document that Robert attests as "Robert de Beaumont" is a charter of King William the Conqueror for Lessay dated 14 July 1080. Robert acquired the county of Meulan shortly thereafter and thenceforth always attested with his comital title [see Vaughn Anselm of Bec & Robert of Meulan (1987): 88]. There is no evidence that either Robert or his male descendants used the name "de Beaumont" after the year 1082, when Robert first occurs as Robert, Count of Meulan.)
      Baker Hist. & Antiqs. of Northampton 1 (1822-30): 350 (Leicester ped.), 414 (Mellent-Newburgh ped.), 563 (Beaumont-Quincy ped.). Dugdale Monasticon Anglicanum 5 (1825): 49-51 (two undated charters of William, 2nd Earl of Warenne to Castleacre Priory), 51 (undated charter of W[illiam] Earl of Warenne and Countess Isabel his wife, and their sons, William and Ralph, to Castleacre Priory), 51 (undated charter of Isabel, Countess of Warenne, to Osmund le Despenser); 6(2) (1846): 1113 (charter of William de Warenne and his wife, Isabel, and their sons, William and Ralph, to Bellencombe Priory dated 1135; charter names Isabel's son, Waleran, Count of Meulan). Taylor Annals of St. Mary Overy (1833): 91 (undated charter of William de Warenne and Countess Isabel his wife to the Monastery of St. Mary de Overy). Extracta e Variis Cronicis Scocie (1842): 70 ([Isabel/Elizabeth de Vermandois] sister of Raoul, Count of Peronne, and mother of Robert, Earl of Leicester, Waleran, Count of Meulan, and Ada de Warenne, styled "kinswoman" of King Louis [VII] of France [regis Francorum Ludouici consanguinea]). Guilmeth Histoire de la Ville et des Environs d’Elbeuf (1842): 393-467. Arch. Jour. 3 (1847): 1-26 (re. parentage of Gundred, wife of William de Warenne, 1st Earl of Surrey). Stevenson Chronicon Monasterii de Abington 2 (Roll Series 2) (1858): 102-103 (charter of Robert, Count of Meulan). Sussex Arch. Colls. 11 (1859): 84 (Warenne ped.). Delisle & Passy Mémoires et Notes de M. Auguste le Prevost 2 (1864): 491 (charter of Morin du Pin granted with consent of the Count of Meulan and Countess Elisabeth). Delisle Rouleaux des Morts du IXe au XVe Siècle (1866): 288-289. Thompson Essay on English Municipal Hist. (1867): 38 (charter of Robert, Count of Meulan). Somménil Chronicon Valassense (1868):34-35. Coll Archaeologica 2 (1871):30-41. Academy 15 (1879): 457-458 (Letter of Bishop Ivo dated at beginning of A.D. 1096: "Ivo, Dei gratia Camotensis episcopus, clericis Mellentis Perlatum est ad aures nostras quod Mellentinus comes ducere velit in uxorem filiam Hugonis Crispeiensis comitis; quod fieri non sinit concors descretorum et canonum sanctio, dicens: (Conjunctiones consanguineorum fleri prohibernus). Horum autem consanguinitas nec ignota est, nec remota, sicut testantur et probare parati sunt praedari viri de eadem sari prosapia. Dicunt enim quia Gualterius Albus genuit matrem Gualeranni comitis, qui genuit matrem Roberti comitis. Item supradictus Gualterius genuit Radulphum patrem alterius Radulfi, qui genuit Vemiandensem comitissam, ex qua nata eat uxor comitis Hugonis, cujus filiam nunc ducere vult Mellentinus comes."). Monumenta Germaniae Historica SS XIII (1881): 251-256: (Genealogiæ scriptoris Fusniacensis: "Nunc ad Hugonem Magnum revertamur. Hugo cognomento Magnus, frater Philippi regis Francorum, de Adelaide comitissa Veromandensium genuit Radulfum comitem Veromandie et Henricum de Chauni et Simonem episcopum Noviomensem et filias. De quarum una Bonefacius marchio genuit Bonefacium archidiaconum Noviomensem et filios et filias; quarem una nupsit Guilelmo de Monte-pessulano. Secunda filia Hugonis Magni ex Radulfo de Baugenci peperit Simonem eiusdem loci principem. Tercia filia ex Ioifrido de Firmitate-Galceri genuit uxorem Simonis de Oisiaco. Quarta filia nupsit comiti de Meslent, cui peperit filios, quorum unus successit path in comitatu, alter vero comitatem tenuit de Cirecestre [recte Leicester]."). Arch. Jour. 41(1884): 300-312. D.N.B. 4 (1885): 64-66 (biog. of Robert de Beaumont, Count of Meulan: "[He] is distinctly stated by Orderic to have been created earl of Leicester (‘inde consul in Anglia factus’). But of this the Lords' committee found no evidence (3rd Report on the Dignity of a Peer, p. 133). Nor does he appear to have been so styled ..."). Recueil des Historiens des Gaules et de la France 23 (1894): 463 (Ex Obituario Ecclesiæ Ebroicensis: "6 Jun. [Obiit] Robertus, comes Mellenti."), 472 (Ex Obituadis Lirensis Monasterii: "5 Jun. Obiit Robertus, comes Mellenti."), 487 (Ex Titicensis Monasterii Necrologio: "5 Jun. [Obiit] Robertus, comes Mellensium."). Bateson Recs. of the Borough of Leicester 1 (1899): xiii-xiv ("That he [Robert] was never styled Earl [of Leicester] in his lifetime seems certain"), 1 (charter of Robert, Count of Meulan dated 1103-18). Round Cal. Docs. Preserved in France 1 (1899): 112-113, 123-124. Depoin Cartulaire de l'Abbaye de St-Martin de Pontoise 3 (1901): 306-327. Porée Hist. de l'Abbaye du Bec 1 (1901): 368 (two charters of Robert I, Count of Meulan, one dated c.1117). Holmes Chartulary of St. John of Pontefract 2 (Yorkshire Arch. Soc. Recs. 30) (1902): 483-484, 522 (charter of William, Earl of Warenne, and his wife, Isabel). Molinier Obituaires de la Province de Sens 1(1) (Recueil des Historiens de la France, Obituaires 1) (1902): 521 (Prieuré de Longpont: "idus Februarius [13 February] [obit.] Isabel, comitissa de Garenna"), 524 (Prieuré de Longpont "v. idus. Maius. [11 May] [obit.] Guillermus, comes de Garenna."); 2 (1906): 190 (Abbaye de Saint-Pere-en-Vallee: 6 Jun. - VIII idus. [Ob.] Robertus, comes Mellentensis, qui dedit S. Petro terram unius aratri in Garenna."); 238 (Obituaire of Prieuré de Saint-Nicaise de Meulan: "[Obiit] Isabel, comitissa Mellenti, XIII. kal. Mardi [17 Feb.]."). Revue Catholique de Normandie 11(1904): 198-200 (two undated charters of King William the Conqueror, one witnessed by Roger de Beaumont, and his sons, Robert, Count of Meulan, and Henry de Beaumont; the other witnessed by Robert, Count of Meulan), 200 (charter of Eudes, Bishop of Bayeux dated c.1079, witnessed by Robert de Beaumont), 207-209. Bodes Hist. du Canton de Meulan 1(1906): 25-38. Prou Recueil des Actes de Philippe Roi de France (1908): 270-272 (charter of King Philippe I of France dated 1082). Deville Cartulaire de l'Eglise de la Sainte-Triniti de Beaumont-le-Roger (1912): 3-10, 10-17 (confirmation charter of Waleran II, Count of Meulan names his father, Robert, Count of Meulan; his mother, Elizabeth, Countess of Meulan; and his grandfather, Roger de Beaumont), 43-45,237-238. Genealogist n.s. 36 (1919): 173-178. Salzman Chartulary of the Priory of St. Pancras of Lewes 1 (Sussex Record Society 38) (1932): 29 (charter of William de Warenne, 3d Earl of Surrey, and his mother, Isabel; dated c.1138). Reg Antiquissimum of the Cathedral Church of Lincoln 2 (Lincoln Rec. Soc. 28) (1933): 10-11 (writ of Robert, Count of Meulan dated before 1118). Trans. Royal Hist. Soc. 4th Ser. 17 (1934): 19-48. Walker Wakefield: Its Hist. & People (1934): 44-60 (pg. 52: author states "countess Isabel died February 13th, 1131, and the Earl followed her seven years later, on May 11th, 1138. Both were buried in the chapter house of Lewes priory."). Clay Early Yorkshire Charters 8 (1949): chart opp. 1, 7-12. Chibnall Select Docs. of the English Lands of the Abbey of Bec (Camden 3rd Ser. 73) (1951): 9 (charter of Robert Count of Meulan dated 1112). C.P. 12(1) (1953): 495-496. Paget (1957) 569:1-3 (identification of children, but Reginald shown as second son). Seversmith Colonial Fams. of Long Island, New York & Connecticut 5 (1958): 2456-2458, 2475. Sanders English Baronies (1960): 61,128-129. Val Leicestershire 5 (1964): 2. Bates and Gazeau "L'Abbaye de Grestain et la Farnille d'Herluin de Conteville," in Annales de Normandie 40 (1990): 5-30, 56-264. Albion 10 (1978): 352-373. Indiana Social Studies Quarterly 31(1978): 10-13. Scottish Hist. Rev. 60 (1981): 119-139. Schwennicke Europäische Stammtafeln 3(1) (1989): 55 (sub Vermandois). Vaughn Anselm of Bec & Robert of Meulan (1987). Winter Descs.of Charlemagne (800-1400) (1987): X11.22, X.111.44-XIII.48. Bates and Gazeau "L'Abbaye de Grestain at la Famille d'Herluin de Conteville," in Annales de Normandie 40 (1990): 5-30. Power Norman Frontier in the Twelfth & Early Thirteenth Centuries (2004): 228. Tanner Fams., Friends, & Allies (2004): 297 (chart), 308 (Vermandois ped.), 314 (Beaumont ped.), 315 (Warenne ped.). Online resource: hap://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet8.html#R1.
      Children of Isabel (or Elizabeth) de Vermandois, by Robert of Meulan (or de Beaumont):
      i. WALERAN (or GALERAN) [II], Count of Meulan, Earl of Worcester (see next).
      ii. ROBERT OF MEULAN, Knt., 1st Earl of Leicester, married AMICE DE GAEL [see LEICESTER 6].
      iii. MAUD OF MEULAN, married GUILLAUME (or WILLIAM) LOVEL, seigneur of Ivri [see LOVEL 6].
      iv. ISABEL OF MEULAN, mistress to HENRY I, King of England [see ENGLAND 2]; afterwards married (1st) GILBERT FITZ GILBERT, Earl of Pembroke [see PEMBROKE 3]; (2nd) RALPH BLUET, of Silchester, Hampshire and Lacock, Wiltshire [see PEMBROKE 3].
      Children of Isabel (or Elizabeth) de Vermandois, by William de Warenne:
      i. WILLIAM DE WARENNE, 3rd Earl of Surrey, married ELA OF PONTHIEU [see WARENNE 6].
      ii. REYNOLD DE WARENNE, of Wormegay, Norfolk, married ALICE DE WORMEGAY [see BARDOLF 6].
      iii. ADA DE WARENNE, married HENRY OF SCOTLAND, Earl of Northumberland [see SCOTLAND 3].
      iv. GUNDRED DE WARENNE, married (1st) ROGER, 2nd Earl of Warwick [see WARWICK 6]; (2nd) WILLIAM DE LANCASTER, of Kendal, Westmorland [see WARWICK 6].”

      2. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
      “HENRY nicknamed “Beauclerc,” King of England, Duke of Normandy, Count of Cotentin, 4th son, born in 1068 or 1069...
      Illegitimate daughter of King Henry I, by Isabel of Meulan, daughter of Robert of Meulan (or de Beaumont), Count of Meulan, by Isabel (or Elizabeth), daughter of Hugues le Grand Count of Crepy [see VERMANDOIS 5 for her ancestry]. Isabel de Meulan married (1st) Gilbert Fitz Gilbert, 1st Earl of Pembroke (died 6 Jan. 1147/8) [see PEMBROKE 3] and (2nd) Ralph Bluet, of Silchester, Hampshire and Lacock, Wiltshire (living 1167) [see PEMBROKE 3]. She was allegedly living in 1172.
      i. ISABEL OF ENGLAND. She and her mother, Countess Isabel, witnessed two undated charters of her half-brother, Richard Fitz Gilbert, 2nd Earl of Pembroke. Her subsequent history is unknown. Banks Genealogical Hist. of Divers Fams of the Ancient Peerage of England (1826): 301-305. Guizot Hist. des Ducs de Normandie par Guillaume de Jumiège (1826): 284-286 (Guillaume de Jumièges, Histoire des Normands, Liv. VIII, Chap. XXIX). Jour. British Arch. Assoc. 10 (1855): 261-263 (undated charter of Earl Richard son of Earl Gilbert to the monks of Usk; charter witnessed by Countess Isabel and Isabel her daughter, Ralph Bloet, and Walter Bloet). C.Ch.R. 2 (1906): 361 (undated charter of Earl Richard son of Gilbert to Goldcliff Priory; charter witnessed by Isabel the earl's mother and Isabel his sister). C.P. 10 (1945): Appendix H, 100-102 (sub Families of the First and Second Earls of Pembroke) ("Actually there is no reasonable doubt that Isabel [de Meulan]s daughter bore her mother's name, lived with her after the elder Isabel's marriage, and continued to do so after her step-father's death. For the first two witnesses to the 2nd Earl of Pembroke's charter for Usk are the Countess Isabel and Isabel her daughter; and in the charter for Goldcliff Priory the first two witnesses are Isabel the Earl's mother and Isabel the Earl's sister. There is no evidence that she ever married."); 11 (1949): Appendix D, 105-121. Schwennicke Europäische Stammtafeln 3(2) (1983): 354 (illegitimate children of King Henry I of England). Winter Descs. of Charlemagne (800-1400) (1987): XII.657. Jour. of Medieval Hist. 29 (2003): 129-151. Green Henry I, King of England & Duke of Normandy (2006): Appendix I, Chart 2 (chart)..."

      3. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
      “HUGUES LE GRAND (also known as Hugues brother of the King), Count of Crépy, younger son, born about 1057. He married about 1080 ADELE DE VERMANDOIS, Countess of Vermandois, daughter of Heribert IV, Count of Vermandois, by Adele, daughter of Raoul III, Count of Valois. They had four sons, Raoul (I) [Count of Vermandois, Count of Peronne], Henri [seigneur of Chaumont-en-Vexin], Simon [Bishop of Noyon], and Guillaume, and five daughters, Mahaut, Beatrice (or Beatrix) (wife of Hugues, seigneur of Gournay-en-Brie), Isabel (or Elizabeth), Constance (wife of Geoffroi de la Ferté-Ancoul), and Agnes (wife of Bonifacio I, Marquis of Vasto). In 1079, as "count Hugh brother of the king" [comitis Hugonis fratris regis], he witnessed his brother King Philippe I's charter confirming the foundation of St.-Quintin Beauvais. In 1081, as "Hugone, Regis fratre, de Crispeio," he and his wife, Adèle, witnessed the foundation charter of Hugues, Count of Dammartin for the Priory of Saint-Leu of Esserent. He witnessed a charter of his brother, King Philippe I, in 1082 as "Hugues, Count of Crépy." HUGUES-LE-GRAND, Count of Crépy, was wounded at the Battle of Heraclea in Sept. 1101, and died at Tarsus in Cilicia 18 October 1101. He was buried in the Cathedral of St. Paul in Tarsus. His widow, Adèle, married (2nd) before 1104 (as his 1st wife) RENAUD II, seigneur of Clermont, afterwards Count of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis, Châtelain of Creil, and, in right of his 1st wife, Count of Vermandois [see CLERMONT 2], son and heir of Hugues de Clermont, seigneur of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis, Breuil-le-Vert, Creil, Luzarches, and Mouchy-Saint-Elou, by Marguerite, daughter of Hildouin (or Hellouin) II, Count of Montdidier [see CLERMONT 1 for his ancestry]. He was born about 1085. They had one daughter, Marguerite (wife of Charles le Bon, Count of Flanders, Hugues II Candavène, Count of Saint Pol, and Baudouin d'Encre). Adèle, Countess of Vermandois, died 28 September, between 1120 and 1124. Renaud married (2nd) CLEMENCE OF BAR, daughter of Renaud I, Count of Bar-le-Duc, by Gisèle, daughter of Gérard, Count of Vaudémont. They had seven sons, Raoul (I) le Roux [Count of Clermont, Constable of France], Simon, Chev., Etienne, Guy, Renaud, Hugues [Dean of Metz, Abbot of Saint-Germer, Saint-Lucien, and Cluny], and Gautier, and three daughters, Marguerite (wife of Guy III de Senlis, seigneur of Chantilly, Boutillier of France), Mahaut (or Mathilde), and Comtesse (wife of Rogues de la Tournelle). In 1152 he confirmed the gifts of his parents, Hugues and Marguerite, and Hugh and Richard, Earls of Chester, to St.-Leu d'Esserent. RENAUD II, Count of Clermont-en-Beauvaisis, died sometime before 1162. His widow, Clemence, married (3rd) THIBAUT III DE NANTEUIL, seigneur of Nanteuil-le-Haudouin and Crépy, son and heir of Thibaut II, seigneur of Nanteuil-le-Haudouin and Crépy, by his 1st wife, Mathilde. They had three sons, Philippe [seigneur of Nanteuil-le-Haudouin], Guy [seigneur of Bouillancy], and Gautier (or Gaucher). THIBAUT III DE NANTEUIL died 20 Jan. 1183. His widow, Clemence, was living in 1185.
      Annales Ordnis S. Benedicti occidentalium monachorum patriarcha 5 (1713): 95 (charter of King Philippe I of France dated 1075; charter witnessed by "Hugues brother of the king" [Hugonis fratris regis].) Anselme Hist. de la Maison Royale de France (1713): 35 ("Adele, Comtesse de Vermandois, de Crespy & de Valois, épousa en premieres noces en 1077, Hugues de France, dit le Grand, Comte de Vermandois, dont is posterité sera traitée au Chapitre 18. de cette Histoire, & prit une seconde alliance avec Renaud II. du nom, Comte de Clermont en Beauvoisis. File vivoit encore l'an 1118, comme témoigne une Charte de Picuré de Crespy.”) Moreri Grand Dictionnaire Historique 1 (1725): 310 ("Alix, dite aussi Adele, comtesse de Crêpi & de valois, fille de Raoul II. Comte de Crêpi & de Valois, & d'Alix comtesse de Bar-sur-Aube, sa premiere femme & sæur du B. Simon comte de Crêpi, dont le P. dom Luc d'Achery, Benedictin, a publié is vie, épousa 1o. Herbert, IV. du nom, comte de Vermandois. 2o. Thibaud III. comte de Champagne & de Brie. Elle eut d'Herbert, Alix comtesse de Vermandois, de Valois & de Crêpi, qui ports toutes ses terres a Hugues de France, surnomme le Grand, fils d'Henry I. & tige des seconds comtes de Vermandois. Après le mort de ce prince, arrivée dans le Levant l'an 1102. elle se remaria 3o. a Renaud II. comte de Clermont en Beauvaisis. Une charte du prieuré de Crêpi temoigne qu'elle vivoit encore l'an 1118."). Hardouin Opera Varia (1733): 612 (sub Antigua Numismata: Hugh styled "brother of the king" [frater Regis] in charter dated 1067; in charter of King Philippe I dated 1075, charter is witnessed by "domni Hugonis fratris Regis Francorum"). Gallia Christiana 10 (1751): 207 (letter of Hugh Bishop of Senlis to the Abbot of Crépy dated c.1095; letter mentions "domni Hugonis comitis de Crispeio"), 246-247 (charter of King Philippe I dated 1079; charter witnessed by "comitis Hugonis fratris Regis"), 248 (charter of Guy, Bishop of Beauvais for church of Esserens dated 1081; charter names "Philippo rege & Hugone regis fratre de Crispeio & ejus uxore Adela" and is witnessed by "Hugo de Crispeio" and "Adelae uxoris Hugonis de Crispeio."). Carlier Histoire du Duché de Valois 1 (1764): 346-352 ("Hugues le Grand commença à prendre la qualité de Comté de Crépy, avant le fin du onzième siècle. Elle continua d'occuper le château de Crépy, dont elle se qualifioit Dame & Comtesse. Damien de Templeux cite un titre postèrieur à la morte de Hugues le Grand, clans lequel elle se nomme Comitissa Crispeii."). L’Art de Vérifier les Dates (1770): 652 (sub Comtes de Vermandois: "Adelaide et Hugues le Grant Ella épousa, entre l'an 1082 & l’an 1090, & non pas l'an 1102, comme on l'a dit ailleurs, Hugues le Grand, 2d fils de Henri I, Roi de France. L'an 1096, Hugues marcha, à la tête des Francois, à la conquête de la Terre-Sainte. S'étant avancé des premiers, avec peu de suite, jusqu'à Durazzo, ville de l'Empire Grec, pour u attendre la reste de l'armée, le Gouverneur du pays se faisit de lui & des principaux Seigneurs que l’accompagnoient, & les enjoya prisonniers a l'Empereur Alexis Comnene … Hugues perdit sue la route plus de 50000 hommes, dans les différents attaques que les Infideles lui livrerent en Asie. Lui-même ayant reçu plusiers blessures dans la derniere, se sauva avec peine à Tarse en Cilicie, où il mourut le 18 Octobre de ran 1102, laissant de son épouse, Raoul, son successeur, Simon, Evêque de Noyon, qui fut le premier de son siege décoré du titre de Comte & Pair, Henri, qui fit la branche des Seigneurs de Chaumont en Vexin, Mahaud, femme de Raoul, tige des anciens Seigneurs de Beaugenci, N. femme de Boniface, Marquis en Italie, & 2 autres files. Adélaïde, apres la morte du Comte Hugues, son époux, se remaria a Renaud II, Comte de Clermont en Beauvoisis.). Colliette Mémoires pour servir d l'Histoire ... de la Province du Vermandois 2 (1772): 108-109 (undated charter of "Adela venerabilis Viromanduorum comitissa" to the Abbey of St-Quintin of Beauvais regarding a prebend in the church of St.-Quintin, Vermandois, charter granted for the anniversary of her husband, Hugonis, and herself, and her children; charter granted with consent of her sons, Raoul and Simon). Recueil des Historiens des Gaules et de la France 15 (1808): 85, footnote e. Notice sur Raoul de Caen et Robert le Moine (Coll. des Memoires rel. à l'Histoire de France) (1825): 361 (sub Robert le Moine: Guillaume, Vicomte of Melun, styled 'kinsman" [French word, parent] of Hugues le Grand.). Courcelles Histoire généalogique et héraldique des Pairs de France 5 (1825): 7 (Guillaume I, vicomte de Melun, en 1084, qualifié cousin de Hugues le Grand, comte de Vermandois, par le moine Robert en son Histoire de is Terre Sainte, où Guillaume I avait accompagné ce prince."). Migne Orderici Vitalis (Patrologiae Cursus Completus 188) (1855): 515 (Orderici Vitalis: "Henricus autem, Francorum rex, Berttadam, Julii Claudii regis Russiæ filiam, uxorem duxit, quæ Philippum, et Hugonem Magnum, Crispeii comitem, peperit."), 657 ("Eodem anno [1096], Hugo Crispeii comes Radulfo et Henrico, filiis suis, terrain suam commisit, et Ysabel filiam suam Rodberto de Mellento comiti dedit, et pregre proficiscens, secum noble agmen Francorum adduxit"). Mémoire de la Société academique d'Archéologie, Sciences & Arts du Département de l’Oise 4(2) (1860): 346-347 (charter of King Philippe I of France dated 1069; charter witnessed by "Hugh brother of the king" [Hugonis fratris Regis]). Tardif Monuments Historiques (Inv. & Docs. publiées par Ordre de l'Empereur) (1866): 187 (charter of King Philippe I of France dated 1082; charter witnessed by "Hugh, Count of Crépy" [Hugonis Crispeii comitis]). Delisle Recueil des Historiens des Gaules et de la France 14 (1877): 7 (Genealogia Regum Francorum Tertiae Stirpis: "Secundarn filiam præfati Comitis Helduini de Rameruth, dictam Margaretam, duxit Hugo Comes de Claromonte, de qua nati sunt Guido dictus Qui-non-dormit, et Hugo Paper, et Comes Rainaldus, et sorores eorum. Rainaldus duxit Adelidem Comitissam Viromandensium, defuncto priore viro suo, scilicet Hugone Magno, quæ peperit ei filiam Margaretam, quam duxit Comes Karolus Flandriæ; quo mortuo, tradita est Comiti Sancti-Pauli Hugoni, qui dictus est Campus-avenæ. Prædictus Rainaldus, defuncta Adelide, duxit Comitissam de Dammartin, filiam Comitis de Rainaldi de Monzuns, de qua genuit Guidonem, et Rainaldum, et Hugonem archidiaconum Metensem, et Galterum, cum aliis utriusque sexus. Unda sororum Comitis Rainaldi nupsit in Anglia Corniti Hugoni de Cestre; alteram duxit Gislebertus filius Richardi Anglici; tertiam copulavit sibi Matthæus Comes de Bellomonte, de qua genuit alterum Matthæum Comitem, et fratrem ejus, et filias."). Lépinois Recherches historiques et critiques sur l'ancient Comté et les Comtes de Clermont en Beauvoisis (1877). Mémoires de la Société Académique d'Archéologie, Sciences & Arts du Département de l’Oise, Beauvais 10 (1877): 18-25 (biog. of Renaud II Count of Clermont) & 21, footnote 1 ["D. Brial, s'étayant sur ces mots de la Généalogie des rois de is troisième race: Rainaldus defuncta Adelide, duxit comitissam da Dammartin (Hist. de France, XIV, 7), pense que Clemence était veuve du comte de Dammatin lors de son mariage avec Renaud de Clermont. L'Art de vérifier les dates, le P. Anselme (Hist. généal., II, 268), A. Duchesne (Hist. de la maison de Bar), disent au contraire que Clémence ne devint comtesse de Dammatin qu'après Is mort de Renaud. L'opinion de D. Brial est confirmée par une charte sans date, mais parfaitement authentique, par laquelle Clemence, comtesse de Dammartin, et Guy, son fils, approuvaient la donation d'un bois faite a l'abbaye de Chaalis par Gautier de Alneto, leur sénéchal, en presence de Renaud, seigneur de Clermont (arch. de l'Oise: Fonds de Chaalis, charmant petite charte avec sceau de la comtesse, assez frustre, mais sur lequel on lit distinctement Artini corn. Guy de Dammartin, fils de Clémence et de Lancelin, comte de Dammartin, n'est pas mentionné dans l'Art de vérifier les dates. II est probable qu'il mourut jeune, car on ne connaît aucun acte de lui comme comte de Dammartin."1. Academy 15 (1879): 457-458 (letter of Bishop Ivo dated at beginning of A.D. 1096: "Ivo, Dei gratia Carnotensis episcopus, clericis Mellentis … Perlatum est ad aures nostras quod Mellentinus comes ducere velit in uxorem filiam Hugonis Crispeiensis comitis; quod fieri non sinit concors descretorum et canonum sanctio, dicens: (Conjunctiones consanguineorum fleri prohibemus). Horum autem consanguinitas nec ignota est, nec remota, sicut testantur et probare parati sunt praeclari viri de eadem sati prosapia. Dicunt enim quia Gualterius Albus genuit matrem Gualeranni comitis, qui genuit matrem Roberti comitis. Item supradictus Gualterius genuit Radulphum pattem alterius Radulfi, qui genuit Vermandensem comitissam, ex qua nata est uxor comitis Hugonis, cujus filiam nunc ducere vult Mellentinus comes."). Monumenta Germaniae Historica Scriptorum 13 (1881): 253 (Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis: "Nunc ad Hugonem Magnum revertamur. Hugo cognomento Magnus, frater Philippi regis Francorum, de Adelaide comitissa Veromandensium genuit Radulfum comitem Veromandie et Henricum de Chauni et Simonem episcopum Noviomensem et filias. De quarum una Bonefacius marchio genuit Bonefacium archidiaconum Noviomensem et filios et alias; quarem mar nupsit Guilelmo de Monte-pessulano. Secunda filia Hugonis Magni ex Radulfo de Baugenci peperit Simonem eiusdem loci principem. Tercia filia ex Ioifrido de Firmitate-Galceri genuit uxorem Simonis de Oisiaco. Quarta filia nupsit comiti de Meslent, cui peperit filios, quorum unus successit patri in comitatu, alter veto comitatem tenuit de Cirecestre."), 257 (De Genere Comitum Flandrensium Notæ Parisienses: "Comes Herbertus genuit Odonem et Adelam sororem. Odo fuit fatuus et indiscretus. Barones Viromandenses rogaverunt regem, ut Adelarn daret Hugoni le Magne, fratri eiusdem regis; quod factum est. De predicto comite Hugone et predicta Adela uxore sua exivit comes Radulfus, Simon Noviomensis episcopus, dominus Henricus de Chaumont et quatuor filie; de quibus quidam marchio Lumbardie unam habuit, secundam dominus Baugenciaci, tertiam comes Mellenti, quartam comes Garentie. Hugone autem comite mortuo, comes de Claro-monte duxit Adelam comitissam in uxorem et ex ea unam filiam habuit. Comes siquidem Carolus Flandrie cum illa fills matrimonium contraxit. Defuncto autem Carob, Hugo Champdaveine relictam ipsius Carob in uxorem accepit, qui fuit comes Sancti Pauli ... et post decessum Hugonis comitis Sancti Pauli dominus Balduinus de Encra relictam ipsius Hugonis accepit in uxorem ... Comes Hugo Ii Maines habuit duos filiois, comitem Radulfum Viromandensem primogenitum et comitem Henricum, et quatuor filios; primogenitam habuit dominus Baugenciaco, secundam habuit Bonefacius marquesius Italie; tertiam comes de Warennes, quartam comes de Mellento."). Merlet Lettres de Saint Ives: Evéque de Chartres (1885): 86-87. Savio Il Marchese Bonifacio del Vasto (1887): 11-15, 16 (ped.), 94,97. Bruel Recueil des Chartes de l'Abbeye de Cluny 5 (Coll. de Docs. inédits sur l'Histoire de France 1s, Ser.) (1894): 421-422 (charter dated c.1140 of Pierre, Abbot of Cluny, names Count Raoul of Perrone, son of Hugues le Grand, brother of King Philippe I, great friend and benefactor [Comes Rodulfus de Perrona, filius Hugonis magni, fratris Philippe regis Francorum, magnus amicus et benefactor). Muller La Prieuré de Saint-Leu d'Esserent: Cartulaire (1080-1538) (1901): 1-4 (charter of Hugues, Count of Dammartin dated 1081), 29-30. Depoin Cartulaire de l'Abbaye de Saint-Martin de Pontoise 4 (1904): 382. Morel Cartulaire de l'Abbaye de Saint-Corneille de Compiègne 1 (1904): 70-71 (charter of Adèle Countess of Vermandois granted with consent of her sons, Raoul, Henri, and Simon), 71-72 (confirmation charter dated 1114 of Adele, Countess of Vermandois, and her sons, Count Raoul and Henri), 7576 (charter dated 1115 of Renaud, Count of Clermont, charter granted with consent of his wife, Countess Adèle) (Editor's note: Il est à remarquer que is comtesse Adèle de Vermandois, veuve d'Hugues le Grand, mort à la Croisade, le 18 octobre 1102, puis remariée a Renaud, comte de Clermont, est, en cette charte, designée comme ayant été fiancée a Beaudouin d'Ené (Cf. Carlier, Hist. du Valois, t. I, p. 352). Son union avec Renaud serait done son troisième mariage, si les propositions antérieures ne sont pas restées a l'état de simples fiançailles. Elle donna deux fois son approbation à la restitution faite by Baudouin et Raoul. La premiere fois, elle était fiancée a Baudouin d'Ené. La second fois, ce fut après son mariage avec Renaud, comte de Clermont.). Prou Recueil des Actes de Philippe Roi de France (1059-1108) (1908): cxxxv (Souscriptions des frères du roi. Les frères du roi, Robert et Hugues ont souscrit quelques diplômes royaux … Quant à la souscription d'Hugues, on la rencontre de 1067 à 1082. Dan un diplôme de 1076 on lui a donné le surnom de 'Grand', que les historiens lui ont conservé. II est ordinairement qualifié simplement frère du roi; mais un diplôme de janvier 1079 fait précéder son nom do titre de comte; il était devenu en effet comte de Vermandois par mariage avec la fille d'Herbert IV.), cxciii, note 1; cxciv, note 1; 137-139 (charter of King Philippe I of France dated 1070; charter witnessed by "Hugues brother of the king" (Hugonis fratris regis].), 144-145 (charter of King Philippe I dated 1071; charter witnessed by "Hugo, frater regis.”), 192-193 (charter of King Philippe I dated 1075; charter witnessed by "Hugonis, fratris regis."), 197-199 (charter of King Philippe I of France dated 1075; charter witnessed by "domni Hugonis, fratris regis Francorum"), 213-221 (charter of King Philippe I of France dated 1076; charter witnessed by "Hugoni magni, fratris Philipi regis”), 242-245 (charter of King Philippe I of France dated 1079; charter witnessed by "comitis Hugoni, fratris regis"), 264-266 (charter of King Philippe I of France dated 1080; charter witnessed by "Hugoni, regis fratre, de Crispeo et ejus uxore”), 271-272 (charter of King Philippe I dated 1082; charter witnessed by Hugonis, Crispeii comitis), 272-273 (charter of King Philippe I of France dated 1082; charter witnessed by "Hugonis, fratris Regis"), 333-337 (charter of King Philippe I of France dated 1094; charter witnessed by "Hugonis, fratris Philippi regis"), 442. Orton Early Hist. of the House of Savoy (1912):210. Brandenburg Die Nachkommen Kant des Green (1935) XI 2, Teil II XII 386. C.P. 12(1) (1953): 496. Seversmith Colonial Fams. of Long Island, New York & Connecticut 5 (1958): 2475-2477. Hagenmeyer Chronologie de la première Croisade, 1094-1100 (1973): 35 (letter of Hugues le Grand to Emperor Alexis Comnène dated 1096), 41, 46, 70, 86, 178, 182. Schwennicke Europäische Stammtafeln 2 (1984): 11 (ancestry of Hugues de France), 3(1) (1984): 49 (sub Vermandois), 55 (sub Vermandois). Winter Descs. of Charlemagne (800-1400) (1987): XI:17, XI.58, XII.20-XII.28. Tanner Fams., Friends, & Allies (2004): 297 (chart), 308 (Vermandois ped.). Online resource: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/capet/capet8.html#R1.
      Children of Hugues le Grand, by Adele de Vermandois:
      i. BEATRICE (or BEATRIX) DE VERMANDOIS, married HUGH DE GOURNAY, seigneur of Gournay-en-Brie [see GOURNAY 3].
      ii. ISABEL (or ELIZABETH) DE VERMANDOIS [see next].”