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Joan de Neville

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  • Name Joan de Neville 
    Born Bef 1280  of, Essex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Female 
    Person ID I6213  Petersen-de Lanskoy
    Last Modified 27 May 2021 

    Father John de Neville,   b. of Little Hallingbury, Essex, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Bef 8 Jun 1246, Wethersfield, Essex, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Mother Hawise de Courtenay,   d. Bef 8 Apr 1269 
    Married 1230 
    Family ID F2680  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Henry de la Mare,   b. of Ashtead, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1257 
    Last Modified 28 May 2021 
    Family ID F2699  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 Walter de la Hyde,   b. of Cokeham, Sussex, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. From 1281 to 1285 
    Married Bef 1260 
    Last Modified 28 May 2021 
    Family ID F2700  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • RESEARCH_NOTES:
      1. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
      “JOAN DE NEVILLE, married (1st) HENRY DE LA MARE, Knt., of Ashtead, Surrey, and Diddenham (in Shinfield), Farley Hill (in Swallowfield), Hinton (in Hurst), and Sheepbridge (in Swallowfield), Berkshire, royal justice, Seneschal of William Longespee, Earl of Salisbury, Constable of Stogursey Castle, son and heir of William de la Mare, Knt., of Ashtead and Mitcham, Surrey, and Harlaxton and Londonthorpe, Lincolnshire, deputy Sheriff of Surrey and Sussex, 1217-26, by his wife, Basile. They had one daughter, Maud. In 1243 he was exempted from being put on juries, assizes, or recognitions, as long as he was with William Longespee. In 1245 he was granted letters of protection, he then going as a royal messenger to the court of Rome. In 1246 he delivered Stogursey Castle to the king, he then acting as constable for John de Neville. SIR HENRY DE LA MARE died testate in 1257. His widow, Joan, married (2.) before 1260 WALTER DE LA HYDE, Knt., of Cokeharn (in Sompting), Stammerharn (in Horsham), and Waldron, Sussex, Stow Bedon, Norfolk, etc. They had one daughter, Hawise (wife of Robert le Veel, Knt.). In 1275 he had the assize of bread and ale at Stow Bedon, Norfolk by warrant of Baldwin Wake. His wife, Joan, died before 1280 (date of lawsuit). SIR WALTER DE LA HYDE was living in 1281, and died before 1285.
      Blomefield Essay towards a Top. Hist. of Norfolk 2 (1805): 278. Placitorum Abbreviatio (Rec. Commission) (1811): 152. Roberts Excerpta e Rotuilis Finium 2 (1836): 228. Halliwell-Phillipps Chron. of William de Rishanger (Camden Soc. 15) (1840): 90, 101-102. Wood Letters of Royal & Ill. Ladies (1846): 42-46. Foss Judges of England 2 (1848): 397. Sussex Arch. Colls. 13 (1861): 85-96, 99. Roberts Calendarium Genealogicum 1 (1865): 136. Matthew of Paris Chronica Majora 4 (Rolls Ser. 57) (1877): 551, 560; 5 (Rolls Ser. 57) (1880): 56-57, 443, 560, 618, 628, 629. Procs. Somersetshire Arch. & Nat. Hist. Soc. 28(2) (1882): 197-200. Rye Short Cal. Feet of Fines for Norfolk 1 (1885): 96, 118, 129. Maitland Bracton's Note Book 3 (1887): 286-287. List of Sherffs for England & Wales (PRO Lists and Indexes 9) (1898): 135. Archaeologia 2nd Ser. 6 (1899): 351-370. C.C.R. 1272-1279 (1900): 378. C.P.R. 1232-1247 (1906): 357, 453, 468, 483. Surrey Arch. Colls. 19 (1906): 27-32. C.P.R. 1247-1258 (1908): 463, 478. Salzman Feet of Fines Rel. Sussex 2 (Sussex Rec. Soc. 7) (1908): 54. VCH Surrey 3 (1911): 248. Foster Final Concords of the County of Lincoln, A.D. 1241-1272 (Lincoln Rec. Soc. 17) (1921): 62. Farrer Honors & Knights' Fees 1 (1923): 12. VCH Berkshire 3 (1923): 253. Sussex N&Q 1 (1927): 215-216. Somersetshire Pleas 4(1) (Somerset Rec. Soc. 44) (1929): 60-62. C.C.R. 1254-1256 (1931): 277. C.C.R. 1256-1259 (1932): 159. C.C.R. 1259-1261 (1934): 11, 473. C.C.R. 1264-1265 (1937): 55. Hatton Book of Seals: (1950): 136-138. Watkin Great Chartulary of Glastonbury 3 (Somerset Rec. Soc. 64) (1956): 631-632. Meekings 1235 Surrey Eyre (Surrey Rec. Soc. 31) (1979): 218-220. VCH Sussex 6(1) (1980): 53-64; 6(2) (1986): 156-166. Meekings Studies in 13th Cent. Justice & Administration (1981): I 218, VII 141, VIII 1, IX lxx-IX lxxi, XV 168, XV 172. Kemp Reading Abbey Cartularies 2 (Camden 4th Ser. 33) (1987): 100-101, 101 (acknowledgement by Henry de la Mare to Reading Abbey dated c.1238-50). Stewart 1263 Surrey Eyre (Surrey Rec. Soc. 40) (2006): 5-6. National Archives, C 49/66/5; C 143/1/5; E 40/536; E 210/141; JUST 1/870 (available at www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp). Cassidy 1259 Pipe Roll: 282 (available at http:// www.cmjk.com/1259/1259_pipe_roll.htrn1).
      Child of Joan de Neville, by Henry de la Mare, Knt.:
      i. MAUD DE LA MARE, married PETER DE MONTFORT, Knt., of Beaudesert, Warwickshire [see MONTFORT 6].”

      2. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
      “JOHN DE NEVILLE, Knt., of Little Hallingbury, Essex, Stogursey, Somerset, South Stoke, Sussex, West Harnham, Wiltshire, etc., Chief Forester and Justice of the King's Forest throughout England, son and heir. He married in 1230 HAWISE DE COURTENAY, daughter of Robert de Courtenay, Knt., Okehampton, Kenn, Musbury, and Sampford Courtenay, Devon, Sutton Courtenay, Berkshire, Waddesdon, Buckinghamshire, Iwerne, Dorset, etc., by Mary, daughter of William de Vernon, Knt., 5th Earl of Devon [see COURTENAY 3 for her ancestry]. Her maritagium included eleven librates of land in Waddesdon, Buckinghamshire and 24 librates of land and the advowson of the church in Alphington, Devon. They had two sons, Hugh, Knt., and John, and one daughter, Joan. In 1231 he sued William, Prior of Cowick, regarding the advowson of the church of Alphington, Devon. In 1234, before his father's death, he fined to have the bailiwick of the King's Forest in Oxfordshire, Northamptonshire, Buckinghamshire, and Huntingdonshire for life; after his father's death, he did homage 21 July 1234. He was appointed Chief Forester and Justice of the whole of the King's Forest through England 21 October 1235. Sometime in the period, 1234-46, he confirmed the grants of his father and ancestors to the monks of Stogursey. In 1240 he sailed with Richard, Earl of Cornwall, for Palestine. After his return to England, he was so rapacious and oppressive in the execution of his office as Forester that he escaped prison only by payment of a very heavy fine. He retired in disgrace to Wethersfield, Essex. SIR JOHN DE NEVILLE died at Wethersfield, Essex shortly before 8 June 1246, and was buried at Waltham Abbey, Essex. His widow, Hawise, married (2nd) before Easter 1254 (date of fine) JOHN DE GATESDEN, Knt., of Broadwater, Barcombe, Didling, Dumpford, Elsted, and Trotton, Sussex, Stockholt (in Akeley), Buckinghamshire, Eling and Lasham, Hampshire, Compton, Surrey, etc. They had one daughter, Margaret (or Margery). Sometime before 1262 he granted the Dean and Chapter of Chichester one acre of land in Didling, Sussex. SIR JOHN DE GATESDEN died shortly before 17 October 1262. In 1264 his widow, Hawise, was given two deer as a gift of the king. Sometime in the period, 1265-9, she and her daughter, Joan, witnessed an alleged miracle in Sussex, which was accredited to the late Simon de Montfort, Earl of Leicester. Hawise was a benefactress of Beeleigh (Maldon) Abbey, and founded a chantry at the Priory of Mottenden in Headcorn, Kent. She died shortly before 8 April 1269.
      Burke Gen’l & Heraldic Dict. of the Peerages of England, Ireland & Scotland (1831): 142-146 (sub Courtenay). Dallaway Hist. of the Western Division of the County of Sussex 1 (1815): 202. Halliwell-Phillipps Chron. of William de Rishanger (Camden Soc. 15) (1840): 90, 101-102 (Hawise de Courtenay and Joan de la Mare both styled "noblewomen"). Wood Letters of Royal & Ill. Ladies (1846): 42-46 (letter dated c.1258 from Lady Hawise de Neville (née Courtenay) to her son, Hugh de Neville, dated c.1258, in which she says: "Sir Walter de la Hide, Joan your sister, and all our household salute you."; see also Blauuw Barons' War (1871): 184, footnote 1). Lipscomb Hist. & Antiqs. of Buckingham 1 (1847): 471-472 (Courtenay ped). Matthew of Paris Chronica Majora 4 (Rolls Ser. 57) (1877): 563-564 (death of John de Neville). Maitland Bracton's Note Book 2 (1887): 404-405. Archaeologia 2nd Ser. 6 (1899): 351-370. C.C.R. 1272-1279 (1900): 378. Desc. Cat. Ancient Deeds 3 (1900): 19-30 (A. 4008 - Demise of John de Gatesden, 2nd husband of Hawise de Courtenay, witnessed by Walter de la Hide, Knt.), 19-30 (A. 4010 - Release by Hawise de Neville, widow of Sir John de Gatesden, witnessed by Walter de la Hyde, Knt.). Salzman Feet of Fines Rel. Sussex 2 (Sussex Rec. Soc. 7) (1908): 8, 25, 62-63, 73-74, 116-117. Sussex Arch. Colls. 51 (1908): 190. VCH Surrey 3 (1911): 16-24. Farrer Honors & Knights' Fees 2 (1924): 103-110. Sussex Notes & Queries 1 (1927): 215-216. VCH Buckingham 4 (1927): 107-118, 144-147. CP. 9 (1936): 481-482 (sub Neville). C.C.R. 1264-1268 (1937): 8. Peckham Chartulary of the High Church of Chichester (Sussex Rec. Soc. 46) (1942/3): 102. Tremlett Stogursey Charters (Somerset Rec. Soc. 61) (1949): xxiv (Curci ped.), 43 (charter of John de Neville son of Hugh de Neville dated 1234-46). VCH Sussex 4 (1953): 8-10; 7 (1940): 80-83. Weinbaum London Eye of 1276 (London Rec. Soc.) (1976): 107, 109-110 (charter of John de Gatesdene; mentions his wife, Hawise). Meekings 1235 Surrey Eyre (Surrey Rec. Soc. 31) (1979): 196-199. Schwennicke Europaische Stammtafeln 3(4) (1989): 629 (sub Courtenay). VCH Somerset 6 (1992): 136-137. Barlow English Episcopal Acta XII (1996): 215. Young Making of the Neville Family in England: 1166-1400 (1996): 46-49. Meel & Simms Fragility of her Sex? (20106): 130. Stewart 1263, Surrey Eyre (Surrey Rec. Soc. 40) (2006): lxxxvi, cii, cxviii, cxxi. Ward Women in England in the Middle Ages (2006): 75. National Archives, E 40/4008, E 40/4010; DL 25/168; DL 25/193; DL 25/1293; DL 25/3469; DL 27/70; DL 34/1/2; SC 7/64/2 (available at www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
      Child of Hawise de Courtenay, by John de Neville, Knt.:
      i. JOAN DE NEVILLE[see next].
      Child of Hawise de Courtenay, by John de Gatesden, Knt.:
      i. MARGARET (or MARGERY) DE GATESDEN, married (1st) JOHN DE CAMOYS, Knt., of Flockthorpe (in Hardingham), Norfolk [see CAMOYS 5]; (2nd) WILLIAM PAYNEL, Knt., Lord Paynel [see CAMOYS 5].”