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1. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
“RICHARD DE GREY, Knt., 2nd Lord Grey of Codnor, of Codnor and Denby, Derbyshire, Thurrock, Essex, Tunworth and Upton Grey, Hampshire, Aylesford and Hoo, Kent, Evington and Newbold, Leicestershire, Sherringham, Norfolk, Eastwood and Barton, Nottinghamshire, etc., Seneschal of Gascony, Steward of Aquitaine, Constable of Nottingham Castle, son and heir by his father's 1st marriage, born about 1281 or 1282 (aged 26, 26-1/2, or 27 in 1308). He married JOAN FITZ PAYN, daughter of Robert Fitz Payn, Knt., Lord Fitz Payn, by Isabel, daughter of John Clifford, Knt., of Frampton-on-Severn, Gloucestershire. They had four sons, John, Knt. [3rd Lord Grey of Codnor], Robert [Fitz Payn], Knt., Gilbert, and Henry, and two daughters, Joan and Maud. He was continually employed in the Scottish wars. He was summoned to Parliament from 4 March 1308/9 by writs directed Ricardo de GT). He presented to the church of Heanor, Derbyshire in 1320. In 1323 he was granted 20 does by the king for burying the body of his kinsman, John de Grey, Knt., 2nd Lord Grey of Ruthin. SIR RICHARD DE GREY, 2nd Lord Grey of Codnor, died testate shortly before 10 March 1334/5.
Banks Baronies in Fee 1 (1844): 227-230 (sub Grey of Codnor). Cox Notes on the Churches of Dertyshire 4 (1879): 233-234. Year Books of Edward III 3 (Rolls Ser. 31) (1886): 122-131. C.P.R. 1330-1334 (1893): 598. Rye Cal Feet of Fines for Suffolk (1900): 182,297. VCH Hampshire 3 (1908): 383. Cal IPM 5 (1908): 50-51; 7 (1909): 468-469. Report on the MSS of Lord Middleton.(Hist. Mss. Comm. 69) (1911): 91. VCH Hampshire 4 (1911): 174-175. Chaplais War of Saint-Sardos (1323-1325) (Camden 3rd Ser. 87) (1954): 78 (Richard styled "trescher cousin" in 1324 by Hugh le Despenser). Paget (1957) 224:1, 259:4-5 (identifies other children Henry, Gilbert and Joan, but no daughter Agnes). List of Inquisitions ad Quod Damnum 1 (PRO, Lists and Indexes, No. 17) (repr. 1963): 232,238. Goodall "Heraldry in the Decoration of English Medieval Manuscripts," in Antiquaries Journal 77 (1997): 179-220. Gee Women, Art & Patronage from Henry III to Edward III: 1216-1377 (2002): 159.
Children of Richard de Grey, Knt., by Joan Fitz Payn:
i. JOHN DE GREY, Knt., 3rd Lord Grey of Codnor [see next].
ii. ROBERT FITZ PAYN, Knt., 2nd son, of Stogursey, Bridghampton, Cary Fitzpaine, Charlton Mackrell, Cheddon Fitzpaine, Rodway, Speckington, and Staple Fitzpaine, Somerset, Okeford Fitzpaine and Wraxall, Dorset, Stourton, Wiltshire, Wisley, Surrey, etc., younger son, born about 1321. He married before 16 October 1354 ELIZABETH DE BRYAN, daughter of Guy de Bryan, K.G., Lord Bryan, of Laugharne, Carrnarthenshire, Walwyn's Castle, Pembrokeshire, and Torbrian, Devon, by his 1st wife, Joan, daughter of John de Carew, Knt. [see BRYAN 10.ii for her ancestry]. They had two daughters, Isabel and Elizabeth. In 1354 he was in the king's service with Guy de Bryan in parts beyond sea. In 1359 he and his wife, Elizabeth, conveyed the manors of Wraxall, Dorset and Stourton, Wiltshire to John de Vere, Earl of Oxford, and Maud his wife, for the life of Maud, at an annual rent of 200s., with reversion to himself aind Elizabeth, and his heirs. He was with the king in the invasion of France, October 1359 to 1360, serving in the retinue of Sir Guy de Bryan. He presented to the church of Wisley, Surrey in 1387 and 1388. SIR ROBERT FITZ PAYN died 21 May 1393. His wife, Elizabeth, predeceased him. Pole Colls. towards a Desc. of Devon (1791): 286-287. Banks Dormant & Extinct Baronage of England 2 (1808): 63-65 (sub Bryan). Willement Heraldic Notices of Canterbury Cathedral (1827): 121 (Gules, three lions passant, in pale, argent, a bendlet, azure [Fitz Pain], impaling Or, three piles, in chief, azure [Brian].). Banks Baronies in Fee 1 (1844): 227-230 (sub Grey of Codnor). Kirby Wykeham's Reg. 1 (1896): 165, 169. Green Feet of Fines for Somerset 2 (Somerset Rec. Soc. 12) (1898): 93, 120-121; 3 (Somerset Rec. Soc. 17) (1902): 182-483. VCH Surrey 3 (1911): 378-381. C.P. 2 (1912): 361, footnote h; 5 (1926): 452, 463-464 (sub Fitzpayn); 6 (1926): 125, footnote j; 10 (1945): 663. Paget (1957) 259: 4-5. List of Inquisitons ad Quod Damnum 1 (PRO, Lists and Indexes, No. 17) (repr. 1963): 232-233.
Children of Robert Fitz Payn, Knt., by Elizabeth de Bryan:
a. ISABEL FITZ PAYN, married RICHARD DE POYNINGS, Knt, 3rd Lord Poynings [see POYNINGS 15].
b. ELIZABETH FITZ PAYN, married (1st) THOMAS DE AUDLEY, Knt., of Kingston, Devon and Stogursey, Somerset [see AUDLEY 11.1]; (2nd) HUGH DE COURTENAY, Knt. of Goodrington (in Paignton), Devon [see COURTENAY 9].
iii. JOAN DE GREY, married (1st) WILLIAM DE HARCOURT, Knt, of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire [see HARCOURT 11]; (2nd) RALPH DE FERRERS, Knt, of Bilton, Warwickshire [see HARCOURT 11].
iv. MAUD DE GREY, married (1st) JOHN DE GRAVESENDE, of Gravesend, Kent. He died before 25 July 1332, when her father granted her 401 of rent in his manor of Sheringham, Norfolk, in exchange for the manor of Gravesend, Kent, which she granted him for the term of her life. His widow, Maud, married (2nd) before 1336-7 (date of fine) ROGER DE LOUDHAM, Knt., of Herringfleet and Lound, Suffolk. They had three sons, Roger, John, and Nicholas. In 1332 he acknowledged that he owed 400 to Richard de Grey, of Codnor; to be levied, in default of payment, of his lands and chattels in Suffolk. In 1336-7 Geoffrey de Cotton conveyed the manor of Gunton, Suffolk to him and his wife, Maud. He presented to the church of Gunton, Suffolk in 1346. SIR ROGER DE LOUDHAM died 15 March 1347. Suckling Hist & Antiqs. of Suffolk 2 (1847): 1, 9, 12. Rye Some Rough Materials for a Hist. of the Hundred of North Erpingham 1 (1883): 98. C.C.R. 1330-1333 (1898): 598. Rye Cal. Feet of Fines for Suffolk (1900): 182, 297. Copinger Manors of Suffolk 5 (1910): 40. Rpt. on the MSS of Lord Middleton (Hist. Mss. Comm. 69) (1911): 91. Cal IPM 9 (1916): 2.
2. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
“RICHARD CAMOYS, Knt., of Camoys (in Great Milton) and Chislehampton, Oxfordshire, son and heir apparent by his father's 1st marriage. He married after 10 June 1387 JOAN POYNINGS, daughter of Richard de Poynings, 4th Lord Poynings, by Isabel, daughter and heiress of Robert Fitz Pain (formerly de Grey), Knt. [see POYNINGS 15 for her ancestry]. Joan was a legatee in the 1387 will of her father, who bequeathed her 200 marks for her marriage. They had three sons, John, Ralph, and Hugh [2nd Lord Camoys], and two daughters, Margaret and Eleanor. In 1399 he and his father, Sir Thomas Camoys, were jointly granted custody of the castle and town of Porchester, Hampshire. In 1404 William Myrnecan sued Richard Camoys, son and heir of Elizabeth Camoys, former wife of Thomas Camoys, Knt., who for default of the said Thomas had been admitted to the defence of his rights to 40s. rents with appurtenances in Wheatley, Oxfordshire. Richard was heir in 1408 to his cousin, Gilbert Wace, Knt., by which he inherited the manors of Tythrop (in Kingsey), Buckinghamshire, and Checkenden, Oxfordshire. SIR RICHARD CAMOYS was living 25 May 1416, but died sometime before 24 June 1416. His widow, Joan, was living 24 June 1416.
Nicolas Testamenta Vetusta 1 (1826): 122-123 (will of Richard de Poynings, 3rd Lord Poynings). Dallaway Hist. of the Western Div. of Sussex 1 (2) (1832): 217 (Camoys ped.). Sussex Arch. Coll. 3 (1850): 96. Davenport Lords Lieutenant & High Sheriffs of Oxfordshire (1868): 21. Carthew Hundred of Launditch & Deanery of Brisley 1 (1878): 238-241 (Camoys ped.). Notes & Queries 6th Ser. 1 (1880): 234-235, 298-299, 341; 10th Ser. 7 (1907): 509-510. Genealogist n.s. 17 (1901): 115. Revised Rpts. of Cases in the English Courts of Common Law & Equity 49 (1901): 195-250 (re. Camoys Peerage). C.P.R. 1399-1401 (1903): 46. Benolte et al. Vis. of Sussex 1530 & 1633-4 (H.S.P. 53) (1905): 25-30 (Lewknor ped.: "Sr Richard Camoys. = Joane d. of Tho. Poynings."). Wrottesley Peds. from the Plea Rolls (1905): 332. VCH Buckingham 4 (1927): 63-68. Salter Boarstall Cartulary (Oxford Hist. Soc. 1st Ser. 88) (1930): 9-10 (undated memorandum in Boarstall Cartulary: "Memorandum quod anno domini millesimo CCLXIIII Gilbertus Wace armiger et Elena uxor eius fuerunt seisiti de omnibus terns vocatis Waceslondes in comitatu Oxonie; qui quidem Gilbertus et Elena habuerunt exitum inter se viz. Willelinum Wace militem. Et predictus Willelmus et Agnes uxor eius habuemnt exitum inter se viz. Hugonem, Willelmum, Iohannem, Humfridum, Thomam, Ioharmem, Isabellam, Elenam, Radulfum, et Thomam. Et predictus Willelmus ftlius predicti Willelmi supervixit. Et predicta Elena maritata fuit Ricardo Louches militi de Miltone ... Et predictus Willelmus filius Willelmi et Cecilia uxor eius habuerent exitum inter eos viz. Gilbertum Wace militem, Agnetam, Matildam, Sibillarn et Margaretarn. Et dictus Gilbertus [Wacel obiit seisitus de terris predictis. Cuius propinquior heres eat Ricardus Camoys miles ftlius Thome Camoys maids et Elizabeth uxoris eius, file et heredis Willelmi Louches de Milton, filii et heredis Iohannis Louches de Milton, filii et heredis predicti Ricardi Louches militis de Milton et predicte Elene, file Willelmo Wace militis, uxoris predicti Ricardi Louches."). VCH Sussex 4 (1953): 34-35. Paget Baronage of England (1957) 114: 1-7 (sub Camoys). Court of Common Pleas, CP 40/572, rot. 205 (available at http:// www.british-history.ac.uk/source.aspx?pubid=1272).
Children of Richard Camoys, Knt., by Joan Poynings:
i. MARGARET CAMOYS, married RALPH RADMYLDE, Esq., of Lancing, Sussex [see CUDWORTH 10].
ii. ELEANOR CAMOYS, married ROGER LEWKNOR, Knt., of Trotton, Sussex [see LEWKNOR 15].”
3. “Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families,” Douglas Richardson (2013):
“JOAN TALBOT, married (as his 2nd wife) JOHN DE CAREW (or CARREU, CARRU), Knt., of Carew, Pembrokeshire, Moulsford, Berkshire, Galmpton (in Churston Ferrets), Mamhead, Monkton, Stoke Fleming, and Weston Peverell, Devon, etc., son and heir of Nicholas Carew, Knt., of Moulsford, Berkshire, by Amice, sister of John Peverel, Knt. They had one son, John, Knt. [Justiciar of Ireland], and one daughter, Joan. In 1313 he confirmed the manor of Weston Peverell, Devon to Robert Lendon his servant. SIR JOHN DE CAREW died about 1324. His widow, Joan, married (2nd) JOHN DE DARTMOUTH. His widow, Joan, presented to the church of Mamhead, Devon in 1348 and 1350.
Betham Baronetage of England 2 (1802): 283-289 (sub Carew). Risdon Chorographical Desc. or Survey of the County of Devon (1811): 37-38. Brydges Collins' Peerage of England 3 (1812): 1-49 (sub Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury). Duncumb et al. Colls. Towards the Hist. & Antiqs. of Hereford 2(1) (1812): 376-383. Debrett's Baronetage of England 1 (1815): 371-374 (sub Carew). Oliver Ecclesiastical Antiqs. in Devon 3 (1842): 66. Visitation of the County of Cornwall, in the Year 1620 (1874): 28- 32 (Carew ped.: "(1) Elinor da. & heir of Wm. Mohun of Ottery. = John Carreu Lord of C. &c. ob. 17 E. 2. = (2) Joan da. of Sir Gilbert Talbot."). Western Antiq. 11 (1893): 51. Vivian Vis. of Devon 1531, 1564 & 1620 (1895): 133-136 (Carew ped.). Owen Description of Pembrokshire 2 (1897): 325-338. D.N.B. 3 (1908): 962-963 (biog. of Sir John Carew). Reichel Devon Feet of Fines 2 (Devon & Cornwall Rec. Soc. 1939) (1939): 192-193. Ellis Cat. Seals in the P.R.O. 2 (1981): 22 (seal of John de Carew dated 1314 - Hung in a beaded circle, between two wyverns, a shield of arms: three lions passant. Legend: *SIGILLVM.I0HANNISDE.CARRV.). Devon Rec. Office: Mamhead, 6252 Z/Z/1-2 (available at www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp). Plymouth & West Devon Rec. Office: Bewes, Dickinson & Scott, Solicitors of Plymouth, 81/R/12/6/17 (available at www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp).
Children of Joan Talbot, by John de Carew, Knt:
i. JOHN DE CAREW, Knt. [see next].
ii. JOAN DE CAREW, married (as his 1st wife) GUY DE BRYAN, K.G., of Laugharne, Carmarthenshire, Walwyn's Castle, Pembrokeshire, and Northam, Slapton, and Torbrian, Devon, Seneschal of Pembroke, 1340, son and heir of Guy de Bryan, of Walwyn's Castle, Pembrokeshire, Nympton St. George, Slapton, and Torbrian, Devon, etc. He was born about 1309 (being of age in 1330). They had three daughters, Elizabeth, Margaret, and Philippe (wife of Edward de Bohun and John de Chandos, Knt.). He was first armed at Stannow Park in 1327. In 1330 the king settled a dispute between him and his father, Guy de Bryan, senior, relative to the barony and castle of Walwayn, Pembrokeshire. In 1345 John l'Archdeacon owed him a debt of £500. In 1346 he acquired the manor of Brettgrave (in Epsom), Surrey from the Abbot and convent of Chertsey. In 1347 his wife, Joan, obtained a license for a private oratory in her manor of Brettgrave (in Epsom), Surrey. In 1348 he obtained a license for an oratory for his manor of Brettgrave (in Epsom), Surrey. The same year he conveyed the manor of Brettgrave to various feoffees, probably in trust for Henry, Duke of Lancaster. In 1349 he was granted an annuity of 200 marks for baring the King's Standard against his enemies at Calais. He married (2nd) before 10 July 1350 ELIZABETH DE MONTAGU, widow successively of Giles de Badlesmere, Knt., 2nd Lord Badlesmere (died 7 June 1338) [see BADLESMERE 9.i], and Hugh le Despenser, Knt., 3rd Lord Despenser (died 8 Feb. 1348/9) [see DESPENSER 11.i], and daughter of William de Montagu, Knt., 1st Earl of Salisbury, 3rd Lord Montagu, Marshal of England, by Katherine, daughter of William de Grandison, Knt., 1st Lord Grandison [see MONTAGU 7 for her ancestry]. They had three sons, Guy, Knt., William, Knt. [see ECHINGHAM 10], and Philip. He was summoned to Parliament from 25 Nov. 1350 to 6 Dec. 1389, whereby he is held to have become Lord Bryan. He was constantly entrusted with martial and diplomatic affairs of the highest importance. He presented to the church of Torbrian, Devon in 1353. In 1357 he obtained a license for an oratory at his house at Ashley, Hampshire. His wife, Elizabeth, died at Ashley, Hampshire 31 May 1359, and was buried with her 2nd husband in Tewkesbury Abbey. In 1361 he served as ambassador to the Pope. In 1369 he was appointed Admiral of the Fleet. In 1367 he purchased the manor of Woodsford, Dorset from John Whitfield, Knt. In 1377 he gave an endowment to four chaplains for the chapel of St. Mary at Slapton, Devon, which he augmented in 1386 and again in 1389. SIR GUY DE BRYAN, Lord Bryan, died 17 August 1390, and was buried in Tewkesbury Abbey, Gloucestershire. Pole Colls. towards a Desc. of Devon (1791): 274-275, 286-287. Archaeologia 14 (1803): 143-153. Banks Dormant & Extinct Baronage of England 2 (1808): 63-65 (sub Bryan). Brydges Collins' Peerage of England 6 (1812): 496-511 (sub Despenser). Debrett's Baronetage of England 1 (1815): 371-374 (sub Carew). Nicolas Controversy between Scrope & Grosvenor 2 (1832): 245-255 (biog. of Sir Guy Bryan). Coll. Top. et Gen. 1 (1834): 227-228. Gentleman's Mag. n.s. 12 (1839): 18-22. Beltz Mems. of the Order of the Garter (1841): clii. Hutchins Hist. & Antiq. of Dorset 1 (1861): 448 (Bryan ped); 3 (1868): 291 (Montagu ped.). Worthy Ashburton & its Neighbourhood (1875): 149-150,158. Daniel-Tyssen Royal Charters & Hist. Does. Rel. the Town & County of Carmarthen (1878): 48, footnote 4. Vivian Vis. of Devon 1531, 1564 & 1620 (1895): 133-136 (Carew ped.). Papal Regs.: Petitions 1 (1896): 369 (Hugh de Ferrers styled "kinsman" by Guy de Bryan). Green Feet of Fines for Somerset 3 (Somerset Rec. Soc. 17) (1902): 182. Owen Old Pembroke Fams. (1902): 81-84. Wrodesley Peds. from the Plea Rolls (1905): 99, 178, 228, 236-237. VCH Dorset 2 (1908): 73-79. Rpt. & Trans. Devonshire Assoc. 3rd Ser. 3 (1911): 132, 137, 191, 210-211. VCH Hampshire 4 (1911): 150-151. VCH Surrey 3 (1911): 275; 4 (1912): 92-102, 249. C.P. 2 (1912): 201, footnote b (sub Bohun), 361-362 (sub Bryan); 4 (1916): 271-274 (sub Despenser), 325; 5 (1926): 463-464 (sub Fitzpayn); 11 (1949): 388, footnote b (sub Salisbury); 14 (1998): 118 (sub Bryan). Reichel Devon Feet of Fines 2 (Devon & Cornwall Rec. Soc. 1939) (1939): 392, 400. Hethe Reg. Hamonis Hethe Diocesis Roffensis 2 (Canterbury & York Soc. 49) (1948): 810. Paget Baronage of England (1957) 102:1. Smith Itinerary of John Leland 4 (1964): 150-163. Haines Cal. Reg. of Wolstan de Bransford Bishop of Worcester (Worcestershire Hist. Soc. n.s. 4) (1966): 79. Ancient Deeds - Ser. B 2 (List & Index Soc. 101) (1974): B.7233. VCH Somerset 3 (1974): 111-120, 129-153. MacCulloch Chorography of Suffolk (Suffolk Rec. Soc. 19) (1976): 28. Edington Reg. of William Edington Bishop of Winchester 1346-1366 1 (Hampshire Rec. Ser. 7) (1986): 46; 2 (Hampshire Rec. Ser. 8) (1987): 7, 23, 44. Emery Greater Medieval Houses of England & Wales 3 (2006): 687. National Archives, C 241/119/32 (available at www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp).
Children of Joan de Carew, by Guy de Bryan, KG.:
a. ELIZABETH DE BRYAN, married ROBERT FITZ PAYN, Knt., of Stogursey, Somerset [see CODNOR 11.ii].
b. MARGARET DE BRYAN, married HUGH DE COURTENAY, Knt., 3td Lord Courtenay [see COURTENAY 7.i.a].”
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