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Sara Smythe

Female 1571 - 1607  (~ 36 years)


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  • Name Sara Smythe 
    Christened 22 Mar 1571  Southwark St Saviour, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Female 
    Died 10 Dec 1607  Reigate, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I5021  Petersen-de Lanskoy
    Last Modified 27 May 2021 

    Family Roger James,   b. Abt 1566, of Upminster, Greater London, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 20 Dec 1596, Bednall Green, Stepney, Middlesex, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 30 years) 
    Married 24 Jun 1588  Southwark Saint Saviour, Surrey, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Last Modified 28 May 2021 
    Family ID F2253  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • RESEARCH_NOTES;
      1. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=benjaminf&id=I2543 accessed 23 Aug 2015:
      "A great deal of discussion can be found regarding this line at the Claiborne family forum at genforum.com. The following was posted 5 Dec 2000 by Cindy Stamps:
      "According to the Claiborne book, which was compiled by John Frederick Dorman, a highly respected VA genealogist, Sara Smyth James Claiborne was granted administration of her husband's estate in October after he died in Sept. So they did not die on the same date. (p. 721). Further, when Sara died, her daughter, Blanche, was granted administration of Sara's estate on 12 June 1626, nearly 20 years later. Thomas, the oldest, was baptized 1599; William baptized 1600; Sara baptized 1601/2; Katherine baptized 1603; Blanche baptized 1605. Sara had 4 children from her previous marriage: Sir Roger James, born 1589; John born abt 1591; Sarah baptized 1594/5; and Margaret baptized 1596."
      From Tom Aiken, quoting "The English Ancestry of William Claiborne of Virginia" by Clayton Torrence:
      "In the Register of Stepney Parish, St. Dunstan, County Middlesex, we find this entry: '1598 November 21, Thomas Cleyborne of the Parish of St. Margaret's, Lynne, county of Norfolk and Sara James, of this Parish, by License.' ... From an accumulation of circumstantial evidence we are at present strongly convinced that the Sara James, whom Thomas Cleyborne married in November 1598, was Sara (nee Smyth) the widow of Roger James, of Bednal Green, Parish of Stebunheath, County of Middlesex, citizen and Brewer, of London, who had died 10 December 1596. "

      2. The book "The Visitations of Surrey, 1530, 1572, and 1623" accessed online 20 Aug 2015 [ ] per book and not my notes:
      "JAMES (Harl. 1561, fos. 224b, 225, 225b, 226, 226b, 227, 227b, 228, 228b.)
      Arms -- Quarterly: 1, Argent, a chevron between three millrinds sable [James]; 2, Barry wafy of six argent and azure, on a chief or three birds rising sable [James], 3 and 4, [blank].
      Chest. -- a garb argent, banded vert.
      1-Jacob van Hawsteri borne in Cleue in German. =
      2-Willm. James.
      2-Theoder James of London. =
      3-Abraham James. =
      4-Abraham James 1623.
      3-Elias James.
      3-Jacob James.
      2-Roger James of London. = Sara d. & coheire of Hen. Morskin of London.
      3. Roger James Vpminster in com. Essex. = Sara d. of John Smyth of London. A. a Rose or.
      4. Sr. Roger James of Rigate in com. Surrey Knt. 1623 ob. 26 of March 1637 [sic].
      5. Roger James of Rigate.
      5. Anthony James ch. s.p.
      5. Elizebeth.
      5. Margarett.
      4. John James of Rigate 1623.
      4. Margerett vx Willm. Bishe of Fenn Place in the p'ish of Worth in com. Sussex.
      4. Gora [Sara, Harl. 1433] vx. george Wilkins of Stoke in the hundred of Ho in com. Kent.
      3. Arnold James of London. = Mary d. of John Van Hulst of London.
      4. John James of Braffin in com. Hertfford.
      4. Sara vx. of ___ Drew of Hawle in com. Essex Clark.
      4. Sara vx. Ric. Cason of London.
      4. Mary.
      4. Judith.
      3. Willm. James of Ightam in com. Kent. = Jane d. & heire of Henery Kule a natiue of Brenia.
      4. William, Thomas, Jane.
      3. Thomas James of Stroude Greene in com Midlesex. = ___ d. of ___ Foulk docter of Divinity.
      3. Richard James of Mallenden in com Essex. = Gertrud d. of John Smyth.
      4. Gertrude, Sara, Richard James, John James, George James, Jane, Emelin.
      3. John James of the Manor of Grove in the p'ish of Woodnesborough. = Susan d. & coheire of Peter Vandewall of Antwerp.
      4. Henery, Thomas, William, Henery ob. s.p., John s.p., Roger, John, Susan vx. ___ Nutt of London.
      3. George James of Mallendine in com. Essex. = Audrey d. of John Smyth.
      4. George, Gertrud, Ethelred.
      2-Jacob James dyed beyond the Seas."

      3. "A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland Enjoying territorial Possessions or Hiigh Official Rank, but uninvested with Heritable Honours," by John Burke, 1836, vol. 1, pp. 397-98:
      "Grevis-James, of Ightham Court.
      James-Grevis, Demetrius, esq. of Ightham Court Lodge, in the county of Kent, a magistrate and eputy lieutenant for that shrire, sherif in 1833, b. 1st may, 1776 ....
      Lineage.
      The manor of Ightham was possessed temp. King John, by Hamon de Crevequier, from whom it passed through the families of De Criel, De Luge, Zouch of Harringworth, Read and Willoughby, to the house of James, by which it is now enjoyed.
      The Jameses were originally, says Philpot, called Hastrecht, from a lordship fo that name, which they possessed near Utrecht. (The family of Hæstrecht was allied by marriage to the ancient and eminent houses of Wassenaer and Waermont.)
      Roger, son of Jacob Van Hæstrecht, emigrated into England in the reign of King Henry VIII. and being known, after the Dutch manner, by the name of Roger Jacobs, the English at length called him Roger James. He espoused Sarah, only daughter and heir of Henry Morskin, esq. of London, and had issue,
      Roger, of Upminster, in Essex, who m. Sarah, daughter of John Smith, esq. of London, and was s. by his son,
      Sir Roger James of Rygate, in Surrey, who wedded Elizabeth, daughter of Anthony Aucher, and had a daughter, Elizabeth.
      Arnold, of London, who m. Mary, cau. of John Vanhulst, of that city.
      William. [See below.]
      Thomas, who m. the daughter of Fulke.
      Richard, who espoused Gertrude, dau. of John Smyth, and had, with other issue, a son, Sir John, of Cresshill, in Essex, and a daughter, Emlin, who m. to Mr. James Cane; and their son inheriting the estates of his uncle, Sir John was advanced to the dignity of a baronet, 34 Car. II. This branch of the family is now extinct.
      John, of Grove Manor, who m. Susanna, daughter and co-heir of Peter Vandewall, of Antwerp, and had issue.
      George, of Malendine, near Rochester, who m. Audrey, daughter of John Smyth, and had issue,
      The third son, William James, esq. acquired, temp. Queen Elizabeth, by purchase, the manor of Ightham Court, in the county of Kent. He wedded Jane, only daughter and heiress of Henry Kule, and had issue,
      William, his heir.
      Thomas.
      Jane, m. to Henry Dixon, esq. of Hilden, in Kent, and d. in 1692.
      [The article continues downline from "William, his heir" through his son Sir Demetrius James, then his son William James, and so forth to the person with which this article began.]"

      4. Email from Carol Hutchinson dated 22 Feb 2020:
      PCC Will of John Smithe or Smythe, Beer Brewer of Saint Saviour Southwark, Surrey 1592. Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers. Name of Register: Harrington Quire Numbers: 1 - 47. Will of John Smithe or Smythe, Beer Brewer of Saint Saviour Southwark, Surrey.
      Held by: The National Archives, Kew - Prerogative Court of Canterbury
      Date: 15 January 1591/92
      Reference: PROB 11/79/21
      will written 16 April 1591
      John Smithe of St Saviors in Southwark, Surrey Beerbrewer
      -son David Smyth under 24
      -son John Smythe under 24
      -son Roger Smythe under 24
      -son Samuell Smythe under 24
      -daughter Gartrude Smythe unmarried
      -daughter Awdrey Smythe unmarried
      -daughter Galfyn Turner wife of Richard Turner
      -poor of St Saviors in Southwark
      -2 daughter Margaret Longe and Sara Rogers[Sarah married Roger James?]
      -sole executor son James Smythe
      -overseers friends William Dassett Edward Candishe and Henrye Alison
      witnesses Henry Alinson scr Richard Hall Xpofer Croxton Gilbert Segar
      ******************************
      The marriage of the John Smythe and Rose Goddard of Merrow, Surrey, does not seem to be the correct marriage for the above John Smythe, there is an Ellyn Smythe chr 24 Mar 1572 at Merrow, Surrey, this is right in the middle of the Southwark St Saviour, Surrey Smythe family christenings. I think someone just found a possible marriage in 1568 for a John Smythe in Surrey. With the will, and christenings of the Southwark St Saviour, Surrey family, I believe we can rule out the John Smythe and Rose Goddard family of Merrow, Surrey as the parents of Sarah, Gertrude, and Audrey who supposedly married 3 James brothers.

      MARRIAGE:
      1. Ancestry.com. London, England, Extracted Parish Records [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2001; London - Marriage Licences, 1520-1610 (Marriage): "24 Jun 1588 Roger Jeames, of East Smithfield, & Sarah Smithe, Spr, dau. of John Smithe, of St Saviour's, Southwark, Brewer; Gen. Lic."