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- RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. The Latvian Archives is online and I have reviewed all Registers for Pilten. Registers are in German and I indicate what I don't understand. I extracted all Herzenbergs of which the following excerpts apply to this family:
"<http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/en/menu/lv/13/ig/13/ie/5507/book/30316.html>
-Image 177. Has two columns of ages after the name with the first being 1850 and the second 1854; presumably if missing in the second column then probably deceased in the interim. I believe the Archives indicates they had a 1851 revision list, which may be what they call the first column; however, it appears more like 1850 in reality age-wise. List # 156, Family #49:
-210 Jossel Elias Herzenberg, 33-1/2, 37-1/2
-his wife Dinne
-211 son Hirsch, 14, 18
-212 son Lemchen Elias, 7, 11
-Image 260. Has two columns of ages after the name with the first being 1858 and the second 1871. List #217, Family #45:
-188 Jossel Elias Herzenberg, 41-1/2, 54-1/2 [Has extensive notes needing translation.]
-his wife Diene
-189 son Lämmchen, 15, 28
-190 son Elkann, 8, 21"
2. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. Source is LA for Latvian Archives. In regards to this individual:
Name variations: Rebecca Iddelson, Dina (Dine, Dinne, Diene), (Zaza).
LA 009 shows b. 1823, d. 1881 in Libau.
3. Ancestry.com's "Latvia: Courland Registers and Family Lists, 1845-1874" in partnership with JewishGen lists the following from Piltene. The date and location works for Joseph, son of Elias, and Diene is also related since there is a shared family and tax number with Jossel. Diene is another name for Rebecca, the wife of Jossel:
A. Jossel Herzenberg, age 54 in 1871, b. abt 1817, registration town Piltene, father Elias, Recruit's Enlistment register, Fond #630, family number 45, Oklad (tax reference) # 188.
B. Diene Herzenberg, 1871, registration town Piltene, Recruit's Enlistment register, Fond #630, family number 45, Oklad (tax reference) # 188.
4. Archival Research Paper about Herzenberg Family prepared for Harold Hodes 23 Mar 1999 and is report no. Nr. 3-H-2962, by Latvijas Valsts Vestures Arhivs (Latvian National Archives), Slokas iela 16, Riga, LV-1007, copy of only page 1 in my possession but evidently other pages exist:
"In reply to your application please be informed that the recruits enlistment registers of the Jewish families belonging to the Jewish community in Pilten for the years 1842, 1848, 1854, 1871 (see app. No. 1-4), census lists of the Jewish families belonging to Pilten for the years 1898, 1899 as well as the birth records of the Jewish community in Libau (now Liepaja) for the years 1836-1853, 1854, 1857-1905, marriage and death recods of the same community for years 1854-1905, as available at our archives, contain the following information:
Rabbi Jossel (or Josiph) Herzenberg was a son of Elias Herzenberg from Pilten. He was born in ca 1815-1816, possible in Pilten. Since our archives keep birth, marriage and death records of the Jewish communites for the time period from 1854, when they started to be kept officially, it is impossible to confirm the dates fevore 1854.
Jossel's father - a Rabbi Elias - son of Joseph Herzenberg, born in ca 1774, died in 1842.
Jossel's mother - Chiene Herzenberg (maiden name not stated), born in ca 1780.
Jossel's wife - Dine (Dinne, Diene) née Iddelson (birth date is unknown).
They had children:
-son Hirsh, born in ca 1836,
-son Lämmchen, born in ca 1843,
-son Elkan (Elkann), born in ca 1850,
-daughter Sheine, born on August 31 of 1857 in Libau (see App. No. 6),
-daughter Meriam, born on June 15 of 1859 in Libau (see App. No. 7).
Elkan - son of Jossel Herzenberg married Doris (Dobra, Doba) daughter of Aizik Dreyer, born in ca 1852. The marriage records of the Jewish community in Libau for the years 1870-1875 do not contain information on their marriage. The... [end of 1st page and my copy]"
BIRTH:
1. There is age discrepancy in the data I inherited from Peter Bruce Herzenberg in which he states a birth in 1823 for Dine. He creditied a report from the Latvian Archives. That report I believe is the one prepared for Harold Hodes, which I also quote in my research notes -- it only says birth unknown and so Peter must have taken liberty in his guess.
I have spent some time on Hirsch but not his mother. As always there is very little to work with and in this case it is only the Registers (censuses). Censuses are not prime sources, but rather secondary since they are after the fact. Often the census taker would estimate ages by observation. In the case of Latvia, it becomes even more problematic since the Russian Czar was more concerned with military levy (hence no ages given for the females). Our ancestors also realized the nature of the Registers and would often lie on ages and names to avoid military recruitment. If this was in fact the case with Hirsch, then I would think the family would have reported an even later birth date so as to make him appear too young -- so this would work against us thinking 1836 was too early. We have not one document indicating anything for Dina that I have seen; however, for the son Hirsch we have the following note I made from my research:
"The Latvian Archives is online and I have reviewed all Registers for Pilten. Registers are in German and I indicate what I don't understand. I extracted all Herzenbergs of which the following excerpts apply to this family:
"<http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/en/menu/lv/13/ig/13/ie/5507/book/30316.html>
-Image 177. Has two columns of ages after the name with the first being 1850 and the second 1854; presumably if missing in the second column then probably deceased in the interim. I believe the Archives indicate they had a 1851 revision list, which may be what they call the first column; however, it appears more like 1850 in reality age-wise. List # 156, Family #49:
-210 Jossel Elias Herzenberg, 33-1/2, 37-1/2
-his wife Dinne
-211 son Hirsch, 14, 18
-212 son Lemchen Elias, 7, 11
-Image 260. Has two columns of ages after the name with the first being 1858 and the second 1871. List #217, Family #45:
-188 Jossel Elias Herzenberg, 41-1/2, 54-1/2 [Has extensive notes needing translation.]
-his wife Diene
-189 son Lämmchen, 15, 28
-190 son Elkann, 8, 21"
In both the 1850 and 1854 Registers, Hirsch's birth is consistent of being "about 1836." This at least gives some credibility to his birth. I would then explain the gap between him and his next sibling Lammchen as probably one or two children who died prior to the Register since Lammchen's data in all four Registers is somewhat consistent.
I think the simplest solution here would be to revise the birth of Dine to be earlier by indicating "bef. 1817 (i.e. an estimate of being 18 or older at the time of the estimated marriage of 1835).
There is always the possibility that Hirsch's ages in the Registers was bogus and that he was actually born later.
MARRIAGE:
1. Date and place are unsubstantiated guesses only by Kerry Petersen.
SOURCES_MISC:
1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/
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Chris & Julie Petersen's Genealogy
Bef 1817 - 1881 (> 64 years)