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Chone or Elchanan or Elkan Herzenberg

Male Abt 1792 - 1851  (~ 56 years)


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  • Name Chone or Elchanan or Elkan Herzenberg 
    Born Abt 1792  Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Died From 1848 to 1851  Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I3951  Petersen-de Lanskoy
    Last Modified 27 May 2021 

    Father Joseph or Jossel Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1750, Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 1815, Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 65 years) 
    Mother Taube,   b. Abt 1751, , Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1811, of Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 61 years) 
    Family ID F1622  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Schore,   b. Abt 1792, , Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1842  (Age ~ 51 years) 
    Married Abt 1809  of Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. Gabriel Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1809, Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location
     2. Riffke Herzenberg,   b. 1810, Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location
     3. Jossel Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1816, Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location
     4. Mendel Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1825, Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location
     5. Elias Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1832, Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location
    Last Modified 28 May 2021 
    Family ID F1619  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • RESEARCH_NOTES:
      1. Archival Research Paper about Herzenberg Family prepared for Kerry Petersen 28 Feb 2011 and is report no. Nr. 3-P-272, 2816, 1927 N, by Latvijas Valsts Vestures Arhivs (Latvian National Archives), Slokas iela 16, Riga, LV-1007. Complete transcript is in the notes of Edouard/Elias Ocipovitch Herzenberg and the following is but a partial transcript:
      "The recruits' enlistment registers of the Jewish families belonging to Pilten for 1842, 1848, 1854, 1871, the revision lists of the Jewish families belonging to Pilten, set up on August 15 of 1851, the merchant's lists of Goldingen for 1868, 1874, 1875 contain the following information about Herzenberg family (we would like to draw your attention to the fact that very often the age of person was determined by their outward appearance and was stated in some documents rather approximately):
      1. Joseph Herzenberg, his sons:
      1.1. Elias, son of Joseph Herzenberg, born in ca 1774 (aged 68 in 1842), died on May 22 of 1844. His wife Chiene, born in ca 1780 (aged 62 in 1842). They had children.
      1.2. Chone, son of Joseph Herzenberg, born in ca 1792 (aged 50 in 1842). His wife Schore, born in ca 1792 (aged 50 in 1842). They had children.
      1.3. Lemchen, son of Joseph Herzenberg, born in ca 1779/1780 (aged 54 in 1834), died 1840. His wife Schore (the age is not stated). Their sons…"

      2. Archival Research Paper about Herzenberg Family prepared for Kerry Petersen 28 Feb 2011 and is report no. Nr. 3-P-272, 2816, 1927 N, by Latvijas Valsts Vestures Arhivs (Latvian National Archives), Slokas iela 16, Riga, LV-1007. Complete transcript is in the notes of Edouard/Elias Ocipovitch Herzenberg and the following is but a partial transcript:
      KP Note: Attachments included per my description:
      1. Image of revision list of Jewish families belonging to Pilten as of Aug. 15, 1851, showing oklad (tax) numbers: #362 Jossel Lemchen Herzenberg, his sons: #363 Ruben, #364 Laser, #365 Jacob, #366 Levin, and #367 Elias. Researcher includes interpretation comment: "They were transferred from the membership of petty bourgeois oklad of Pilten to the 3rd guild merchant of Pilten in 1851."
      Note that incidentally on the same page separated by one large family grouping is another Herzenberg family who looks to be the original Joseph's son Chone/Elchanan with wife Schore and their sons and some grandsons. I am not sure of my deciphering the first two lines on the record, but the relationship that follows is clear:
      [No oklad #] [Willman? perhaps something like "Children of"?] Schore Chone Joseph Herzenberg
      [Their sons?]
      #213 Jossel Chone Herzenberg
      #214 Mendel Chone Herzenberg
      #215 Elias Chone Herzenberg
      #195 Gabriel Chone Herzenberg
      His sons, #196 Levin, #197 Salomon, #198 Hirsch, #199 Heyman Itzig..."
      I wrote the archives for an interpretation and their leading researcher responded as follows:
      "Schore, was a widow of Chone (son of Joseph) Herzenberg (in our report Nr. 1.2.), he was registered in the recruits' enlistment register for 1842 and 1848, he died before 1851. He had children:
      -Jossel (oklad Nr. 213 in the register for 1851),
      -Mendel (oklad Nr. 214),
      -Elias (oklad Nr. 219),
      -Gabriel (oklad Nr. 195).
      Since March 9 of 1851 the family of Jossel, son of Lemchen Herzenberg and the family of a widow Schore Herzenberg were registered as a merchants of 3rd guild in Pilten."

      3. The Latvian Archives is online and I have reviewed all Registers for Pilten. Registers are in German and I indicate what I don't understand. I extracted all Herzenbergs of which the following excerpts apply to this family:
      "http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/en/menu/lv/13/ig/13/ie/5507/book/30313.html
      -Image 69: "Lemchen Joseph Herzenberg" is title of an entire return section at Pilten 22 Sep 1811 containing:
      -Lemgen Joseph Herzenberg, (no age)
      -his [brother?] Chonne Joseph Herzenberg, 18 [Has relational and other comments needing translation; most likely fraternal.]
      -his wife, Sorre, 18
      -his daughter, Riffke, 1
      -his mother, Taube, 60 [This is a big find - wife of the original Joseph.]
      -his [?] Lewin Wulf Edelstein, 17
      -his wife, Schoene, 15
      -Image 27. Has two columns of ages after the male names with the first being 1834 and the second 1842; one column for female names probably 1842. Family #79:
      -327 Chone Joseph Herzenberg, 42, 50
      -his wife Schore, 50
      -328 his son Jossel, 18, 26
      -329 his son Mendel, 9, 17
      -330 his son Elias, 2, 10
      -Image 77. Has two columns of ages after the name with the first being 1834 and the second 1848. List # 63, Family #101:
      -327 Chone Joseph Herzenberg, 42, 56 [Has comments needing translation; has date of 1847 in comment.]
      -his wife Schore, 50
      -328 his son Jossel, 18, 32
      -329 his son Mendel, 9, 23
      -330 his son Elias, 2, 16"

      4. Data from a copy captured of Peter Bruce Herzenberg's website of London, England, since relocated to South Africa (website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007). See more on his research and data in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg in this database. Sources for this individual is FA for Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes). In regards to this individual:
      Name variations: Chone (Shone), Chonne b. Joseph.
      FA001 shows b. 1787 in Piltene, d. abt. 1811.
      Peter also notes: Chone (Shone) - Yodaiken refers to Elchanan as translating to Chone. The birth dates are close, but the death date seems to indicate they wer two people. There was a Rabbi Elchanan at that time, but cannot find evidence to suggest he was a Herzenberg.

      5. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
      Aizpute-Hasenpoth
      Jelgava-Mitau
      Kuldiga-Goldingen
      Liepaja-Libau
      Piltene-Pilten
      Talsi-Talsen
      Ventspils-Windau

      6. Transcription from Peter Bruce Herzenberg's website on the Herzenberg (Website no longer active as of 2007):
      "The Early Herzenbergs.
      Joseph I appears as a patronymic only in:
      (1) the 1811 census as the father of Lemchen (39) born 1772 and as father of Elias (40) born 1771.
      (2) the Latvian Archives Appendix 1 of 1842 as the father of Elias (68) b. 1774.
      (3) Appendix 2 confirms this date.
      From this we learn that Elias and Lemchen were brothers and very close in age.
      Lemchen from the above was born in 1772
      From the Feigmanis report, we have the 1818 list of Piltene Jews made for taxation purposes. This is numbered 96-1-433a of the Latvian State Archives. Lemchen son of Joseph appears as being 17 years old, therefore born in 1801. This represents a huge discrepancy. Elias appears as 40 years old, thus born in 1778, another new date for Elias although fairly close to those above. Also mentioned is Chone son of Joseph (the Yiddish for Elchanan and the civil name Elkan) - he appears to have been born in 1884 [Kerry's note: assume this is typo for 1784.]
      The question [asked of Peter Herzenberg] is: were there two contemporary Josephs borh of whom had sons named Elias and Lemchen, or is one of the dates for Lemchen patently wrong?"

      SOURCES_MISC:
      1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/