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Susanna Baltzer

Female Abt 1665 - 1690  (~ 25 years)


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  • Name Susanna Baltzer 
    Born Abt 1665  of Schwaben, Bayern, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Female 
    Died 1690  Weschnitz, Fürth, Heppenheim, Starkenburg, Hessen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I1691  Petersen-de Lanskoy
    Last Modified 27 May 2021 

    Father Jakob Baltzer,   b. Abt 1640, of Schwaben, Bayern, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID F1037  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Johann Joachim Hinderkirscher,   b. Abt 1655, Tirol, Austria Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1695, Michelstadt, Erbach, Hessen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 40 years) 
    Married 1 Feb 1685  Weschnitz, Fürth, Heppenheim, Starkenburg, Hessen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. Joseph Hinderkirscher,   b. Abt 1685, Weschnitz, Fürth, Heppenheim, Starkenburg, Hessen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location
     2. Anna Barbara Hinderkirscher,   b. Abt 20 Jul 1687, Weschnitz, Fürth, Heppenheim, Starkenburg, Hessen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location
     3. Sebastian Hinderkirscher,   b. Abt 15 Oct 1688, Weschnitz, Fürth, Heppenheim, Starkenburg, Hessen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location
     4. Anna Margaretha Hinderkirscher,   b. Abt 1690, Weschnitz, Fürth, Heppenheim, Starkenburg, Hessen, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 7 Mar 1742, Heddesheim, Rhein-Neckar-Kreis, Baden-Württemberg, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 52 years)
    Last Modified 28 May 2021 
    Family ID F1073  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • RESEARCH_NOTES:
      1. Emails from Rose Green, descendant and expert German researcher (rose.green@att.net):
      29 Apr 2015: "Given that we've been talking about Birkenau and all [in regards to Johan Michael Roemer], I went back to look at exactly who it is of Conrad Dick's ancestors who lived in that parish. A while back, I found a discussion on a site about Brethren genealogy [see separate note in file of Johann Conrad Dick from Dwayne Wrightsman dated 30 Aug 2009], in which he was identified as a member of that group, and traced to Heddesheim, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany. His mother was from nearby Altrip and his father from Heddesheim. I discovered that there were printed Familienbuecher (genealogy books where someone has extracted the whole of a town's church records and organized them into neat family groups) for both villages. I ordered them via interlibrary loan, and yes, the whole family showed up. Conrad's mother was from Weschnitz (not in the Pfalz but over near Birkenau), and his grandparents were married in Furth (the Catholic parish that covered Birkenau at the time). (The grandparents were the ones moving up after the 30 Years' War from parts south.)
      The Altrip records list a marriage for Johann Conrad Dick on 22 Feb 1746 to Anna Catharina, widow of Hans Jacob Baargeld (marriage 15 Nov 1735, which gives her maiden name as Gross, daughter of Hans Peter Gross and Anna Meyer). Altrip and Heddesheim are very near Mannheim (he named his farm Mon Hime in America). The new location, Berghuelen, Blaubeuren, Wuerttemberg, is quite a bit further away. The Altrip records also apparently include the birth record of Maria Elisabeth Dick, who would be the wife of Peter Eller, if this group is ours, on 14 Dec 1746. This was in the Reformed church. The Gross family goes back several generations (some of the children don't show up in Familysearch; it's more of a direct line thing).
      ...To me, the Altrip/Heddesheim connection seems to carry more weight than the Berghuelen one (if nothing else because of the Mannheim connection--but also because all of the people seem to show up there)."
      2 May 2015: "Yes, I suspect that with the conversion to newer versions of Familysearch, some records have become garbled or incorrectly merged. You are right--all the background details list the name in FS as Anna Maria. And suddenly, she's bam! Ruth, out of nowhere. The Altrip Familenbuch does not list anyone in the Gross family named Ruth. It's not a name that commonly appears in German church records of the time. The siblings of Anna Catharina Gross that are recorded in the Altrip book all have specific death dates in Germany listed. Possibly there were more siblings who died young and would be in the original church records, but I'm not seeing anyone who could be remotely construed as Ruth.
      Hannah sounds more English than German to me (Anna in German--unless maybe a nickname for Johanna?), but her husband--he's definitely got a German name, and he's living with all those Germans. The Heddesheim Familienbuch does list a sister to Conrad, Anna Maria, b. 1726. I don't see a Hannah Sophia, but it would be worth checking the actual primary church records in Altrip. Such published books have errors, as we know. I think it's worth putting her down as a hypothesis to be tested.
      Regarding Margaret Susan Dick who married Koons, I can't tell from the information given if Dick was her maiden name, or if it was the name of her first husband who died while coming to America. Again, I don't see anyone by that name in the Familienbuch, but Conrad has some brothers who don't have death entries listed. There are certainly other Dick families in the US that don't have any apparent relation to us (Adam Dick--unless way back we have a DNA connection??). But since they all(Koons, etc.) seem to follow each other around, she's probably another one to look into.
      In any case, there is a concrete marriage record for a Johann Conrad Dick marrying Anna Catharina Gross on 22 Feb 1746 in Altrip, Pfalz, Germany. The birth of a daughter, Maria Elisabetha Dick, who we suppose to be the one who married Peter Eller, was born in Altrip on 14 Dec 1746.
      I suspect that a lot of incorrect merging (and some assumptions based on extracted records taken out of context) have happened in recent years. I have certainly seen several instances of people in Family Tree suddenly being connected to people they have no relation to, just because of a name similarity (and the new situation replacing the previous relationship that was based on detailed research and tangible data). Sometimes it seems like we've gone from the problem of temple work being done over and over for the same individual to some rather overzealous merging. I'm sure we'll get it all straightened out in the end, but it makes for confusion right now.
      In any case, here's a summary of what the Familienbuch Heddesheim has to say about Conrad Dick:
      Johann Velten (Valentin) Dick (son of Hans Velten Dick, +7 Mar 1735 Heddesheim) oo Anna Margaretha Hinderkircher (b. in the 1690s in Weschnitz, which is near Birkenau, +7 Mar 1742 Heddesheim) on 16 Feb 1718 in Heddesheim. She was the daughter of Johann Joachim Hinderkircher, married in Furth (again, near Birkenau) but from "Tirol," and Susanna Baltzer of Schwaben. Children (born in Heddesheim):
      1. Johann Conrad, *3 Feb 1721
      2. Justina Magdalena *5 May 1724, +19 Dec 1762 in Heddesheim
      3. Johann Christoph, *28 Jul 1725
      4. Anna Maria, *28 Dec 1726
      5. Tobias, *8 Feb 1729
      6. Johann Michael, *22 Mar 1731
      Extra children not listed could of course be fit in here, and a search should be done of the church books. After Velten died, Anna Margaretha married a widower in the area, but I don't have a record of any children (not to say there weren't any).
      On the Gross side (from the Altrip Familienbuch), I've got Hans Peter Gross of Altrip, no birth info given, but believed to be the son of Johann Ludwig Gross and Catharina of Altrip (md. bef 1692) m. Elisabeth Meyer of Reisen (Birkenau parish again! Her father was Hans Meyer) on 24 Nov 1716 in Altrip. Children born in Altrip:
      1. Anna Catharina, 22 Aug 1717
      2. Johann Heinrich, *16 Feb 1721, +11 Jun 1722
      3. Maria Barbara, *15 Oct 1724, +15 Jun 1762 Altrip. Married Johann Georg Schwitzgöbel of Weisenheim, Sand, Germany 14 Sep 1745 in Altrip
      Then Hans Peter Gross married again, this time on 9 May 1730 (Altrip) to Anna Clara Schneider, *25 Sep 1711 Altrip. They had one child that I know of in Altrip:
      4. Johann Ludwig Gross, *5 Oct 1732, +25 Apr 1735
      Anyway, I think that it might be a very good idea to poke into this some more ... I think I'll order up what records there may be for Altrip and Heddesheim. And I'd love to take another look in the Birkenau area for those people who show up over there."

      2. Email dated 5 May 2015 from family researcher Rose Green :
      "I found someone doing a project on this migration pattern:
      Website http://www.mueller-heppenheim.de/tiroler1.htm (accessed 5 May 2015) entitled "Migration history: Contribution to Immigration by Tyroleans in the Pfalz and in adjacent territories 1650-1750," by Dr. Hermann Müller, Heppenheim an der Bergstrasse. This website is in German by can be translated by Google.
      Apparently the word "Tirol" to postwar (30 Years War) Germany is what "Palatine" is to America. It doesn't necessarily mean Tirol itself, but could also include other regions. Here is (translated) their explanation of the term: "The term "Tiroler" is used here as a collective term for all immigrants from the Western Austrian alpine region of the time regardless of the current expansion of the Austrian province of Tyrol and the Italian province of South Tyrol. Hence immigrants from Vorarlberg, the Allgäu and Oberschwaben be considered Tiroler."
      Here are some names from this site that have been identified in church records as "Tiroler," this batch from the Furth Familienbuch (Fürth im Odenwald -- Ludwig Knapp: Familienbuch Fürth 1663 - 1712). Note Baltzer (2x), Sommer (1x) Hinderkircher/Hinterkircher (2x) [marked with an asterisk in front of the surname]:
      BERNTAUER, Christian, aus Tirol, Berg- und Erzknappe (miner and ore-miner), 1663 und 1670 Taufe von Kindern in Fürth (baptism of children in Fürth).
      BUCHEL, Michael, aus Tirol, Pate (was a godfather) am 23.04.1664 in Fürth.
      BUCHER (BUCHARDT), Andreas, aus Tirol, wohnt in (lived in) Weschnitz , Erzbach und Fürth, Steiger des Bergwerks in Weschnitz (overseer of the mine), ab 1669 im KB Fürth genannt (named in the Fürth church records starting in 1669).
      EINBACHER, Georg, Weschnitz, Bergmann (miner), aus Tirol, m. Fürth 21.08.1679 BEHS Anna aus Bayern.
      ENGSTRAßER, Sebastian, aus Tirol, 1696 in Fürth genannt (named in Fürth in1696).
      FEHR (FÄHR, FEYER), Konrad, Steinbach, stammt aus Tirol (living in Steinbach but of Tirol), Zimmermann (carpenter), m. Fürth 28.01.1700 Anna ALLHEUSER.
      GAßNER, Christian, Fürth, aus Tirol, Maurer und Steinhauer (mason and stonemason), 1679 erstmals in Fürth genannt (first mentioned in Fürth in 1679).
      GRIMM, Blasius, aus Mautendorf/Salzburg. Seine Frau Barbara starb (his wife Barbara died) am 27.07.1679 in Fürth.
      HAUBT, Simon, aus Schwaz/Tirol, † Fürth vor 09.05.1678. (d. bef 9 May 1678)
      HECH, Georg, aus Tirol, Tochter Wandalina (daughter named Wandalina) m. 02.05.1680 in Fürth den Tiroler Abraham STEIGER.
      HEINHEUSER (HEIGENHÄUSER, HEUCHENHEUSER), Sebastian, Weschnitz (living in Weschnitz), Verwalter (some kind of administrator), aus Waderingen/Tirol, * err. 1646 (birth estimated 1646), m. Fürth 21.08.1679 WEYS Anna.
      *HINDERKIRCHER, Joachim, Weschnitz, Bergmann, Köhler (miner and charcoal burner), aus Tirol, m. Fürth 01.02.1685 Susanne BALTZER.
      KOLL, Johann, aus dem Gau Mettering in Österreich, m. Fürth 31.08.1676 Eva, Witwe des (widow of) David SEULHACKER in Erlenbach.
      LAMPRECHT, Christian, aus Kirchdorf in Tirol, Bergmann, m. Fürth 24.04.1701 ALLHEUSER Elisabeth aus Steinbach.
      MESSNER, Thomas, aus Innsbruck in Tirol, 1669 in der Fürther Zent.
      MEYER, Alban, Weschnitz, Bergmann aus Tirol, m. Fürth 01.02.1685 BUß Anna Elisabeth.
      NIEß, Urban, aus Schwaz in Tirol, Bergmann in Weschnitz, m. Fürth 16.05.1672 Anna Maria BUCHER.
      *N.N. Ein Tiroler heiratet am 15.05.1691. Trauzeugen sind (witnesses are) Andreas BUCHARDT, Weschnitz, und Joachim HINDERKIRCHER, Weschnitz.
      PICHTER (RICHTER ?), Hans, Hammerschmied aus Tirol, 1663 Taufe der Tochter Maria Katharina.
      SANGERLE, Leonhard, aus Tobadill, Gericht Landeck, Tirol, 1702 stirbt der Sohn Lorenz in Fürth. (son Lorenz died in Fürth)
      SCHERER, Balthasar, aus Tirol, Bergknappe in Weschnitz, oo Fürth 12.08.1672 Anna Katharina KEIL aus Fürth.
      SENGERLE, Johann, aus Tirol, S. d. Christian S. in Tirol, * err. 1649, Maurer in Kröckelbach und Brombach, m. Fürth 22.01.1685 Anna Maria BUCHER, Witwe des aus Tirol stammenden Urban NIEß, Weschnitz.
      SENGERLE (ZENGERLE), Georg, Steinbach, aus Tirol, * err. 1644, m. Fürth 07.10.1680 Margaretha, Witwe des Thomas ALLHEUSER aus Steinbach.
      SCHWENDERER, Peter, aus Bußendorf/Salzburg, m. Fürth 20.07.1684, MUNCH Ursula Barbara.
      *SOMMER, Joseph, aus Schwaz in Tirol, Bergmann in Weschnitz, m. Fürth 04.12.1685 BALTZER, Margaretha, aus Schwaben.
      SOMMERER, Thomas, aus Schwaz in Tirol, Bergknappe in Weschnitz, † Fürth 23.06.1672.
      STANGER, Wolfgang, 1708 in Fürth genannt.
      STEIGER, Abraham, aus Tirol, Bergmann in Weschnitz, m. Fürth 02.05.1680 Wandalina HECH aus Tirol.
      STEINER, Hans, (aus Tirol ?), 1663 in Fürth genannt.
      STEINLE, Lenhardt, Bergknappe aus Tirol, 1664 Geburt der Tochter Maria.
      ULRICH (identisch mit UHL ?), Kaspar, Fürth, Maurer aus Tirol, kath., 1675 Taufpate in der ref. Pfarrei Wald-Michelbach.
      WERTENSOHN, Hans, aus Langenau, "in den vier Herrschaften Gregels (?) gelegen" (Vorarlberg?), 1669 - 1679 Lindenfels, dann Fürth. Zimmermann, Bierzapfer, Gastwirt.
      It says to note the miners (Bergleute). In 1700, the mining operations at Weschnitz had ended, so they stopped coming.
      Additionally, there is this person from nearby Michelstadt:
      *HINTERKIRCHER, Joachim, Kohlmesser auf der Schmelz (measures coal in the fire or something - sorry, I don't know mining terms!), aus Tirol, † 1695 in Hammer-Michelstadt.
      Sounds like a whole lot of people headed that way."

      MARRIAGE:
      1. Email dated 4 May 2015 from family researcher Rose Green :
      "Johann Joachim Hinderkircher and Susanna Baltzer, were married in 1685 in Furth. The Lutheran records don't start until some years after that, and even though there was eventually a Lutheran congregation for Furth, it was mainly Catholic. I believe that Birkenau Catholics were in the Furth parish until they got their own. Given that they were moving in from Schwaben and "Tirol" (not necessarily the actual Tirol, Italy, but at least part of that general migration pattern), and given their marriage, they were likely Catholic. (A check in the actual records would confirm that. Also, I think there is a Furth Familienbuch as well.)"