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1. Censuses:
1810 US: German Flatts, Herkimer, New York:
Philip Frederick, males: 2@0-9 (David and Abraham), 1@26-44 (Philip)1@45+ (Francis?); females: 2@0-9 (Susanna and Mary Ann), 1@26-45 (Catherine).
[Could the male that is 45+ possibly be Francis since he does not show up in the 1810 census?]
1830 US: Clarendon Twp., Orleans, New York, p. 13 of 24:
Phillip Frederick, males: 2@10-15 (Matthew and Ambrose), 1@20-30 (Unknown; can't be Peter since he died 1827); 1@40-50 (Philip); females: 1@10-15 (unknown), 1@15-20 (Herriott), 1@50-60 (Catherine).
2. Last name of maybe Schuyler is speculation on the part of some, but never with any documentation for it. Alternate may be Caty Germon/German as reported to me per 17 Jun 2003 email from Dave Fry who in turn quotes a related researcher Mary Lou Spaulding who lives in Kansas and is a descendent through David Frederick and Mary Ann Winner; they state that they found in FHL film 17760 records of births and baptisms performed by Rev. John Calvin Toll of the Reformed Dutch Church at Middleton (Mapletown), Westerlo (Sprakers), and Canajoharie, New York. These three towns are in or close to Montgomery County. In this film is a Phillip Frederick and Caty Germon who had a child Mary Ann born 16 Apr 1806 and baptized 18 May 1806. They believe this may be strong evidence that Caty Germon may be the correct name. It appears additional confirmation is needed to confirm the proper Catherine. It is interesting to note the use of Gammore in the middle name of their son Abraham which may be a correct version of Germon? Germon may be a version of German or Jermain. Also an 1806 birth of a child meshes nicely with other known children.
Also found on the Internet 7 Nov 2007 Http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/columbia/columbiabap1.html:
"The Baptismal Records of the Reformed Church of Columbia, New York, spanning the years 1806 through 1826, were contributed by Laura Perkins... which are available for viewing at the Utica Public Library. All spellings are original. Copied by Mrs. M. M. Hatch, South Columbia, NY, through the courtesy of Mrs. Hatch, (Mrs. Thomas D.) Corinne Wheeler Watkins, NSDAR #57999 and (Mrs. Charles E.) Elizabeth A. M. Merritt, DSDAR #178296. Some of the original records have passed out of existence since the copies were made by Mrs. Hatch. - Judy Breedlove, Asst. County Coordinator, March 1999. Baptismal Records of the Reformed Church of Columbia, 1806-1816; Columbia Center, Herkimer County, New York; Organized 1798:
"Frederick, Herriot, daughter of Philip Frederick and Getty Germont, b. 9 Jun, bapt. 25 Jul. Sponsors: Parents, of German Flatts."
[Note: At this time period there was only one Philip Frederick listed per the 1810 census in German Flatts. The mother's name of Getty is probably phonetic for Caty and probably short for Catherine.]
3. Phillip's and Catherine's parentage of David Frederick is established by David Frederick's LDS patriarchal blessing from a copy on file with me [punctuation and spelling corrected by me]: "GSL City, March 9th 1851. A blessing by John Smith Patriarch upon the head of David Frederick son of Phillip and Katherine born Montgomery Co., N.Y. Sept. the 15th 1801. Brother beloved of the Lord in the name of Jesus Christ, I lay my hands upon thy head and place upon you a Patriarchal or a Father's blessing. Thou art of the blood of Ephraim and a lawful heir to all the blessings of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Thou hast seen much trouble in thy day but hast born it with patience. The Lord is well pleased with the integrity of thine heart and thy name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life. The Lord will visit you with health and with every favor that is calculated to render life agreeable. You shall have a companion in your old age. Your posterity shall become very numerous spread forth upon the mountains of Israel. Like Ephraim thou shalt preach the Gospel to any people that seemeth good unto thee. Thou shalt have great power in the Priesthood. Shall gather the remnants of Jacob like wheat and bring them to Zion with all their riches. Thou shalt preside over a stake of Zion. Have great wisdom. None shall be able to gainsay or resist. Thou shalt have power in the Priesthood to rebuke the waves of the sea, to break fetters of brass. Nothing shall be able to hinder your progress. You shall fill a great mission, return to the land of Zion in peace unto your children and companions finally come up in the resurrection with all your father's house and inherit a kingdom that shall increase forever and ever. Amen." [The subsequent marriage to Mary Ann Winner and the birth of a son and additional children at David's older age seems to have fulfilled the spirit of this blessing. Note also that his daughter from a previous marriage, Mary Frederick, received her patriarchal blessing also in SLC, 11 Oct 1852 - see her notes for transcript copy.] I received my copy from David Fry; source may be Book of Patriarchal Blessings Index, vol. 11, page 231.
4. Received 30 Jul 2003 from Frederick descendant and researcher Mary Lou Spaulding, 1502 Haney Dr., Hays, KS 67601, 785-628-6465:
"The Kocherthal Records. Rev. Joshua Kocherthal was the pastor of the Palatines in West Camp and Schoharie. He received permission to accompany the Palatines in 1708 and came to England from the lower Palatinate, from when in 1709 he embarked for America with ten families consisting of 41 persons. He returned to London and in 1710 accompanied the second migration.
There were two persons named German listed in the Records: Jacob German and Anna Catharina who were sponsors of other people's children.
German English: ethnic name from OG Germain German: this sometimes denoted an actual immigrant from Germany, but was also used to refer to a person who had trade or other connections with the country. The people were originally known as the "Spear-men." Variations of the name: Germann, Germain(e), Germing, Jerman, Jermine, Jermyn(n), Jarma(i)n."
She also copies me with an uncited photocopy entitled "The Kocherthal Records," pp. 26-27 which has the following record with a "German" indicated who may or may not have a relationship to our Catherine. Unfortunately the page with the year indicated is not part of the copies. What I have reads:
"Oct. 7th: Anna Catharina, born Sept. 26th, child of Peter and Catharina Drechsler; sponsors: Jacob German and his wife Anna Catharina."
5. If the surname Schuyler is correct for Catherine as some Frederick LDS genealogists had speculated (which I believe to be completely in error), then note the very early arrival of the Schuyler family in the following quotation per FHL book 974.761D2G "Early Families of Herkimer County New York, Descendants of the Burnetsfield Palatines," by William V.H. Barker, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1986, preface, the book gives some general local history per the following excerpts:
"Herkimer County, in north central New York's Mohawk Valley, received its name in 1791 in memory of General Nicholas Herkimer, the Revolutionary War militia commander... There were probably in excess of 15,000 Indians in the region about the year 1700, but by the time of the American Revolution their population had eroded to about 10,000... due in part to lack of resistance to European diseases. Their numbers then fell sharply during and just after the Revolution as a result of migrations to Canada and points westward, the exodus being necessitated by the fact that most of the Iroquois, except for the Oneidas, took the British side during the War of Independence..."
"As to the early Europeans, the Dutch traders of Fort Orange (now Albany) initiated commerce with the Mohawk Valley Indians in the early 1600s... The Dutch traded alcoholic beverages, firearms, tools, and fabrics in exchange for land and beaver hides. In 1664 the British took control of New York State and the Mohawk Valley area came under the jurisdiction of Albany County from that time until about 1774 when it became Tryon county (in 1784 the area was renamed as Montgomery county, the western portion of which was set off in 1791 as Herkimer County). In modern times, Herkimer County bounded by Oneida County on the west and by Montgomery and Fulton Counties on the east. Prior to 1760 there was only limited settlement by the Dutch or English to the west of Schenectady, since the Mohawk region was vulnerable to incursion of the French and their Indian allies from Canada..." [N.B. Tryon was changed to Montgomery because Tryon followed the Tory cause whereas Montgomery was a patriot.]
"With the exception of a few families, such as the Fondas, Schuylers, and Van Slykes, the Dutch and English seem to have been little induced to settle the Mohawk Valley, and so the opportunity fell to a group of immigrant Germans from the Palatinate, or lower Rhineland area in central Europe. Several thousand of these Palatines had left their German homelands, being much reduced in circumstance after years of warfare with France, and had gone to England at Queen Anne's invitation in 1709... The English temporarily housed many of these people in tents outside London and early in 1710 about 2,000 were placed aboard ships for passage to the American colonies, being promised land in New York in exchange for work in Hudson River camps, to be set up for the production of pitch for use in sealing naval vessels. There were delays in embarking and the Palatines were crowded into undersized and ill provisioned ships so that the Atlantic Ocean crossing itself became a tragedy in which, by New York Gov. Hunter's account, some 466 of them perished. From 1710 to 1712 the German immigrants required government subsidy, and the payment records by Gov. Hunter to heads of households survive (as in Knittle) and are referred to throughout this book as the NY Palatine Subsistence List. The pitch operations having failed, the Germans had to fend for themselves, moving for a while to contested lands in the Schoharie Valley west of Albany."
"The Palatines remained a displaced people without land entitlement until September 1721 when the Albany City council endorsed their petition to purchase Mohawk Valley land, not closer to Albany then 40 miles west of Ft. Hunter. Then on October 16, 1721, New York Governor William Burnet, presumably wishing to see buffer settlements of a friendly population in the central Mohawk area, granted the appropriate license, which allowed the Palatines, in 1722, to purchase land form the Indians in the vicinity of where the West Canada creek flows into the Mohawk River. Upon completion of the survey of these lands in 1723, and in response to the request of Palatine leaders Joseph Petrie and Conrad Richaert, the deeds were prepared under the designation of the Brunetsfield Patent. At about the same time, other Palatines received land grants at Stone Arabia and elsewhere in the Mohawk Valley... the Burnetsfield Patentees... were wholly within the present county of Herkimer [as opposed to other area Palentines in other parts of the Valley]..."
"From 1723 onwards, until the French and Indian Wars commenced, [the area] was generally at peace and the residents prospered to the extent that some writers have termed the community almost utopian. Wheat grew abundantly in the fertile soil and the accumulation of livestock and goods was extensive..."
"At 3 a.m. on Nov. 12, 1757, disaster struck German Flats [as Herkimer was then known] in the form of a surprise raid by a French and Indian war party... 40 killed, 150 prisoners, and much booty taken... After the 1757 devastation there were periods of relief such as the negotiated return of some prisoners in 1758 and the building, in that same year, of Ft. Stanwix as a protective outpost about 35 miles west of German Flats. With the French surrender to English forces at Montreal in 1760, relative peace was restored to the Mohawk Valley, although occasional difficulties with the Indians required that the settlers maintain a more vigilant militia than had been required in earlier years..."
"Of particular note to the modern-day researcher is the fact that many of the early... families both moved and visited up and down the Mohawk Valley, thereby necessitating the search of church records over a wide geographic area for the presence of relevant marriage and baptism entries. Of note also is the information value of the baptismal sponsors, as those individuals were usually of the same generation (except when a grandparent would be sponsor for a grandchild of the same given name) and most often were brothers or sisters of the parents."
"The second devastation to fall upon… the surrounding... area came from alignments brought about by the American War of Independence. The British enrolled most of the area Indians, plus several Mohawk Valley settlers as well, to the Tory cause, and in August 1777 the bloody battle of Oriskany pitted former neighbor against neighbor... Oriskany turned the British back to Canada momentarily, but a year later they were back in a more nefarious form of military tactic, that of the hit and run assault on isolated settlements. From 1778 through 1782, the British waged a war of attrition in the Mohawk Valley, with members of raiding parties paid eight dollars for each scalp taken, regardless of the victim's combative status, sex, or age... Sometimes the settlers had to scramble quickly into the forts..."
"By the end of the American Revolution, the... region was severely depleted in manpower and resources and a new phase of rebuilding began with the expansion westward of New Englanders, who were lured by the open lands of northern New York which had become available with the departure of the Indians. The resultant shift in population base was evident in the 1790 census when about a third of the... area people appear to be new arrivals of English extraction..."
6. Some land records received 30 Jul 2003 from Frederick descendant and researcher Mary Lou Spaulding, 1502 Haney Dr., Hays, KS 67601, 785-628-6465. They are transcribed from FHL film 842712 and have the name Garmon, which she noted as being similar to Germon. This transcription is for information only and may or may not have some relationship to Catherine. They are the Grantor Land Records from Herkimer County, NY 1839-1898:
Samuel F. Garmon Etal to Edmon F. Abott, Bk. 147, pg. 409 - Bk. 154, pg. 4.
Samuel F. Garmon Etal, Bk. 155, pp 117, 144, 151, 271, etc.
Mary Lou also mentions that there was also an Isaac German in the area in 1776 but she did not say exactly in what context.
7. The following are some random Germans mentioned in Henry Z. Jones books - I am not sure of the relationship (if any):
A. Henry Z. Jones, "The Palatine Families of New York: A Study of the German Immigrants Who arrived in New York in 1710," (1985), p. 280:
"Jacob Germann (Hunter Lists #233)
The home village of the German family was 7532 Niefern (8 km. n.e. of Pforzheim (Chbks. begin 1608). Jacob Germann, bricklayer and s/o Georg Germann - inhabitant at Merishausen Schaffhauser Gebieth in the Schweiz, md. Anna Catharina, d/o the late Hans Eichinger - citizen at Entzberg, 4 Christmonat (4 Dec ?): 1703.
Jacob Germann made his first appearance on the Hunter Lists 4 July 1710 with 2 pers. over 10 yrs. of age and 1 pers. under 10 yrs. in the household. Jacob German was nat. 14 Feb 1715/16 (Albany Nats.). Jacob German and Maria Catharina with 1 child were at Quunsberg ca. 1716/17 (Simmendinger Register) The West Camp Luth. Chbk. show that Jacob's wife Anna Catharina sp. Johann Friederich Contermann in 1714, and together they sp. Contermann in 1716; Hans Friederich Gundermann (Contermann, Countryman) also was documented at Niefern (HJ). The family appears to leave the Hudson Valley by 1722 (HJ). The ch. of Jacob1 Germann were:
1) Hans Jacob2, bpt. 1 Jan 1706 - sp.: Thomas Falck, Hans Jacob - single s/o Hans Georg Neef, and Catharina - single d/o the teacher Hans Jacob Kopp at Entzberg (Niefern Chbk.). He d. 20 Feb 1709 (Niefern Chbk.).
2) Hans Georg2, bpt. 5 Aug 1707 - sp.: same as before (NieÂfern Chbk.). Johan Jurgen German sp. Peter Bernhardis Schmidt at Camp Queensberry in 1722 (N.Y. City Luth. Chbk.). Perhaps he was the George German whose will was proved in Pa. in 1796 (Lancaster Co. Will Bk. F, p. 645).
Other early Germans in Pa. records include Margaret German, who md. Roger Evans 19 Oct 1731 (Stoever Chbk.), and John Jacob German who md. Maria Cath. Gast 8 March 1750 (Tulpehocken Chbk.)."
B. Henry Z. Jones, "Even More Palatine Families, 18th Century Immigrants to the American Colonies and their German, Swiss and Austrian Origins," 2002, pp. 200-1:
"Johann Jost German: Joost German joined the church in 1754 with letters from Germany (Montgomery Reformed Chbk). Anna Maria Newkirk, w/o Jost German, joined the Montgomery Reformed Church 4 Nov 1769. Jost German, German Reformed Congregation in Hanover, of Hanover, Ulster Co., was naturalized 18 Oct 1774 (Scott & Stryker-Rodda, p. 30). Johann Jost German and wife Anna Maria Neukirch had among there is sue:
1) Gertraud, bpt. 27 Aug 1757 - sp: Johannis Nieukirk and wife Geertje Klaarwater (Montgomery Reformed Chbk). Gertraud and Elisabeth German joined the Montgomery Reformed Church 22 March 1774.
2) Elisabetha, bpt. 25 Aug 1759 - sp: John Jury Theis and wife Catharina German (Montgomery Reformed Chbk).
3) Henrich, bpt. 10 Nov 1761 - sp: Johannes Newkirk and Elisabeth Newkirk (Montgomery Reformed Chbk).
4) Anna Maria, bpt. 4 May 1765 - sp: Jacob Newkirk and Maria Patterson (Montgomery Reformed Chbk).
5) Catharina, bpt. 14 Feb 1767 - sp: Joh. Georg Theis and wife Catharine Germain (Montgomery Reformed Chbk).
6) Catharina, bpt. 4 Nov 1769 (Montgomery Reformed Chbk).
7) Andreas, b. 17 May 1773 (Montgomery Reformed Chbk).
Andreas German: An Andres German joined the Montgomery Reformed Church 18 Oct 1766. Andreas German and wife Lena Emung had among there is sue:
1) Elisabetha, b. 16 April 1772 (Hopewell Reformed Chbk).
2) Nicolaus, b. 19 July 1776 (Hopewell Reformed Chbk). The parents are called "Andreas Carmen and Helena Emigh" on this entry.
C. Henry Z. Jones, "Even More Palatine Families, 18th Century Immigrants to the American Colonies and their German, Swiss and Austrian Origins," 2002, p. 201:
"James German, aged 38, b. Switzerland, labourer, was noted on a muster roll of troops commanded by Capt. Joshua Bloomer taken in Westchester County taken 30 April 1759 ("Muster Rolls of New York Provincial Troops 1755 - 1764," Edward F. De Lancey, editor, p. 190). James German, aged 27, b. Germany, cooper, was noted on a muster roll of Capt. Daniel Wright's Company taken in Queens Co. April 1760 ("Muster Rolls of New York Provincial Troops 1755 - 1764," Edward F. De Lancey, editor, p. 228).
The Swiss surname Germann is relatively common and is scattered across a number of Cantons. Research should begin with "Swiss Surnames: A Complete Survey" (Picton Press, 3 vols., 1995) and "Men of Bern: The 1798 Burgerverzeichnisse of Canton Bern, Switzerland," ed. by Lewis Bunker Rohrbach (Picton Press, 3 vols., 1999). (LBR)"
D. Henry Z. Jones, "Even More Palatine Families, 18th Century Immigrants to the American Colonies and their German, Swiss and Austrian Origins," 2002, p. 201:
"Johannes German: Johannes Germon md. 12 March 1764 Jeane Smith (Christ Lutheran Swamp Chbk NY City). John Germond, ship carpenter, md. 20 Aug 1769 Elizabet Gilmore (Christ Lutheran "Swamp" Chbk, NY City).
A Johannes German and wife Johanna had among there is sue:
Johann Peter, b. 12 Dec 1764 - sp: Joh. Peter Peuster and wife, Elisabeth - Johannes Gantz (sic) (Christ Lutheran Swamp Chbk, NY City)."
SOURCES_MISC:
1. Per family group sheet archive record submitted by Mary J. King Timothy (4ggniece). She references: "Hist. Montgomery Co.; N.Y. M.1, p. 113; Wills of Montgomery co. M.12a, p. 13, vol. 2; N.Y. Mls, p. 167; F.N.Y F4b, p. 2; F.N. Y. S.4a, p. 293." Copy in files of Kerry Petersen.
2. Henry Z. Jones is the author of three series of books on the Palatines: "The Palatine Families of New York: A Study of the German Immigrants Who arrived in New York in 1710," (1985); "More Palatine Families," (1991); and "Even More Palatine Families, 18th Century Immigrants to the American Colonies and their German, Swiss and Austrian Origins," 2002. I have reviewed all three and there is nothing on this individual, but I have copied all "German" (or variants thereof) in the above notes who could perhaps be related subject to future research.
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Chris & Julie Petersen's Genealogy
Abt 1778 - Aft 1830 (~ 53 years)