Chris & Julie Petersen's Genealogy
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| 5051 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is a discrepancy on the reported children of this individual's father - I currently post both sets of children until more information is found: A. Nina Kossman reports four children: Boruch, Elias, Itzig, and Abraham. B. Leo Herzenberg reports instead the following children: a. Isak, b. Libava, Latvia. b. Bernhard, b. Lodz, Poland. He had one son David. c. Samuel, b. Libava, Latvia. He had a son Leo Herzenberg who was born in South Africa. He in turn had a son Winston who was also born in South Africa but living 1986 to 1996 in North York, Ontario, Canada. The info on this family is per a letter from Winston to Leo dated 26 Feb 1996. d. Eduard. 2. Per email dated 21 Aug 2010 from Len Yodaiken "Jewish genealogy is complex in many ways and I was very happy to receive the tree page that Nina sent me. If you look at the right hand side of it you will see the children of Lasar and Lippe are Boruch. Elias, Itzig and Abraham. If you look at my tree, page 17, you will see that Leyser (spelt differently) had Bernard, Edward and Isaac. Had I found dates for them I am sure that they would have varied also from those of the archives. So what do we learn from this? Firstly that spelling is never consistent, next that the children where given Jewish names at birth, but as the family assimilated into the Germanic culture of Kurland they adapted their names accordingly. We do not know what happened to Abraham or perhaps you do, my guess is that he was one of the fatal cases of infantile mortality so rampant at that time and lastly, Jews never gave the correct years of birth but tried by very many means to make the child much older or younger than he actually was in order to get round or postpone the hateful military draft." A follow-up email from Ron Lapid "- Itsig is definitely the Yiddish for Isaac. - Boruch (often written "Baruch") is Hebrew. You need to take into account that not all Hebrew names had an automatic translation. If Baruch also had a German name (very likely in Latvia) it would probably be one that had similar sounds like Bernard. - Elias is already a Germanic form of Eliahu (Elijah). But it is very Jewish and so if he wanted a less Jewish name Edward could be one of the logical choices. So all in all I would agree that there is a very high likelihood that all these names relate to the children of Lazar/Leyser. (His Hebrew name was undoubtedly Eliezer)." Prior to these emails, I had listed Isak separately from Itzig, Bernhard separately from Boruch, and Elias separately from Edward - but I have since combined them. 3. The Latvian Archives is online and I have reviewed all Registers for Pilten. Registers are in German and I indicate what I don't understand. I extracted all Herzenbergs of which the following excerpts apply to this family: "A. -Image 227. Has two columns of ages after the name with the first being 1858 and the second 1871. List #58, Family #9: -40 Laser Lämmchen Herzenberg, 37, 50 [Family has several comments needing translation.] -his wife Lippe [Lippor?] -41 his son Baruch, 20, 33 -42 his son Elias, 12, 25 -43 his son Itzig, 4, 17 -family #87, 367 his son Abraham, 2-1/2, 15-1/2 B. -Image 109. Has two columns of ages after the name with the first being 1858 and the second 1875. Family #9: -40 Laser [Laser crossed out and Leiser written in] Lemmchen Herzenberg, 37, 50 [Family has several comments needing translation.] -41 his son Baruch, 20, 37 -42 his son Elias, 12, 29 -43 his son Itzig, 5-3/4, 22-3/4" 4. Data from a copy captured of Peter Bruce Herzenberg's website of London, England, since relocated to South Africa (website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007). See more on his research and data in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg in this database. Source for this individual is HL for Leonardo Herzenberg. I am unsure what the other abbreviations stand for. In regards to this individual: Names of Isaac or Isak. HW shows b. abt. 1863, d. at Libava, Latvia, m. to Taube. HL 104/014. CR. Line of Gerald. Peter includes the following footnote: "Isaac - The name confirmed by his descendants. One of his sons was Zvi Herman, which speaks volumes." 5. Email dated 8 Apr 2010 from great grand-daughter Lucille Maitino "My mom [Theresa Miriam Herzenberg] told me her Grandfather was Isaac Herzenberg, b. Libau, Latvia, 1863 and d. Libau, Latvia ?. Her grandmother was Theresa Miriam who she was named after, and I thought her maiden name was Bernitz not Taube? b. Riga, Latvia 1850 d.? Libau... No dates." 6. Email dated 4 Dec 2011 from Lucille Maitino, granddau. of Rudolf Herzenberg "My Mom had told me many stories of Cecelia Dorothea (Odes) Herzenberg and how she died of a burst appendix when my Mom was only 23. Cecelia (Odes) Herzenberg died when she was only 45 (5/30/1937) and her husband Rudolf died 3 weeks later of a broken heart. (6/22/1937). I know my Grandfather Rudolf had 2 brothers and 2 sisters, Herman, Leo, Bertha and Clara. I know my Grandfather Rudolf's father was Isaac, and that Isaac had a brother Daniel. I know Daniel had a son Israel and that Israel had 2 sons and 2 daughters, Sammy, Allen, Sybil and Irene. I know many of the cousins from these." MARRIAGE: 1. http://usdine.free.fr/marriagesaizputeeightyoneetc.html accessed 2 Jul 2020; "Marriages in Aizpute (Gazenpot, Hasenpoth) in 1881, 1882, 1883, 1884, 1885, 1886, 1887": Page: 6 Record No.: 3 Year reg: 1883 Date of marriage: 8/02/1883 Place: Hasenpoth Surname of the Groom: HERTZENBERG Surname in cyrillic: ГЕРЦЕНБЕРГ Given name of the Groom: Itzik Age of the Groom: 28 Father of the Groom: Lazer Occupation of the Groom: Merchant Surname of the Bride: BERNITZ Surname in cyrillic: БЕРНИЦ Given name of the Bride: Tauba Age of the Bride: 23 Father or mother of the Bride: J. Occupation of the bride's Father : not stated Rabbi or Officiant: Rabbi Hirsh A. NUROCK Witnesses: The cantor David ABRAMOVICH, Kalman SHLOSBERG Dowry: 3000 Silver rubles Place of origin of the groom: Piltene Place of origin of the bride: Hasenpoth Comments: none MARRIAGE: 1. Date and place are unsubstantiated guesses only by Kerry Petersen. SOURCES_MISC: 1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ | Herzenberg, Itzig or Isaac (I3950)
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| 5052 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is a discrepancy on the reported children of this individual's father - I currently post both sets of children until more information is found: A. Nina Kossman reports four children: Boruch, Elias, Itzig, and Abraham. B. Leo Herzenberg reports instead the following children: a. Isak, b. Libava, Latvia. b. Bernhard, b. Lodz, Poland. He had one son David. c. Samuel, b. Libava, Latvia. He had a son Leo Herzenberg who was born in South Africa. He in turn had a son Winston who was also born in South Africa but living 1986 to 1996 in North York, Ontario, Canada. The info on this family is per a letter from Winston to Leo dated 26 Feb 1996. d. Eduard. 2. Per email dated 21 Aug 2010 from Len Yodaiken "Jewish genealogy is complex in many ways and I was very happy to receive the tree page that Nina sent me. If you look at the right hand side of it you will see the children of Lasar and Lippe are Boruch. Elias, Itzig and Abraham. If you look at my tree, page 17, you will see that Leyser (spelt differently) had Bernard, Edward and Isaac. Had I found dates for them I am sure that they would have varied also from those of the archives. So what do we learn from this? Firstly that spelling is never consistent, next that the children where given Jewish names at birth, but as the family assimilated into the Germanic culture of Kurland they adapted their names accordingly. We do not know what happened to Abraham or perhaps you do, my guess is that he was one of the fatal cases of infantile mortality so rampant at that time and lastly, Jews never gave the correct years of birth but tried by very many means to make the child much older or younger than he actually was in order to get round or postpone the hateful military draft." A follow-up email from Ron Lapid "- Itsig is definitely the Yiddish for Isaac. - Boruch (often written "Baruch") is Hebrew. You need to take into account that not all Hebrew names had an automatic translation. If Baruch also had a German name (very likely in Latvia) it would probably be one that had similar sounds like Bernard. - Elias is already a Germanic form of Eliahu (Elijah). But it is very Jewish and so if he wanted a less Jewish name Edward could be one of the logical choices. So all in all I would agree that there is a very high likelihood that all these names relate to the children of Lazar/Leyser. (His Hebrew name was undoubtedly Eliezer)." Prior to these emails, I had listed Isak separately from Itzig, Bernhard separately from Boruch, and Elias separately from Edward - but I have since combined them. 3. The Latvian Archives is online and I have reviewed all Registers for Pilten. Registers are in German and I indicate what I don't understand. I extracted all Herzenbergs of which the following excerpts apply to this family: "A. -Image 227. Has two columns of ages after the name with the first being 1858 and the second 1871. List #58, Family #9: -40 Laser Lämmchen Herzenberg, 37, 50 [Family has several comments needing translation.] -his wife Lippe [Lippor?] -41 his son Baruch, 20, 33 -42 his son Elias, 12, 25 -43 his son Itzig, 4, 17 -family #87, 367 his son Abraham, 2-1/2, 15-1/2 B. -Image 109. Has two columns of ages after the name with the first being 1858 and the second 1875. Family #9: -40 Laser [Laser crossed out and Leiser written in] Lemmchen Herzenberg, 37, 50 [Family has several comments needing translation.] -41 his son Baruch, 20, 37 -42 his son Elias, 12, 29 -43 his son Itzig, 5-3/4, 22-3/4" SOURCES_MISC: 1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/ | Herzenberg, Elias or Edward (I3949)
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| 5053 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is a farm just west of Vestergard farm in Bedsted with the name Græntoft - Græn translates as Green - which may have some significance. Græntoft farm dates back at least to Knud Svenningsen and his father. BIRTH: 1. Birth date is calculated from age given at time of death: 72 years, 10 weeks, and 4 days. DEATH: 1. FHL film #053026; Bedsted Parish Record, 1707-1765, book 1, p 101. 2. Viborg, Denmark Regional Archives; Bedsted Parish Records; Microfiche C119.1, plate 4, page ?; Age at time of death was 72 years plus 10 weeks and 4 days. 3. Per Joyce Cupit: "Bedsted Kirkebog 1744: 18 juni døde Knud Svenningsen, gl: 72 aar, 10 uger og 4 dage." SOURCES_MISC: 1. Archive Record family group sheet as originally submitted by Mrs. Wanda Roos, R.D. 1 Box 651B, Sandy Utah. She mentions James Christian Westergard as 4 ggson and source as church records for Bedsted by Eva M. Gregersen. 2. Per gedcom dated 6 Jan 1999 of Wayne Westergard, 785 W 1300 South, Woods Cross, Utah 84087, phone 801-295-2906. 3. Per records of Fred H. Westergard, 1940 Laird Drive, Salt Lake City, Utah 84108-1823, 801-583-4405, fwestergard@juno.com 4. Joyce Cupit's website | Svenningsen, Knud (I2637)
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| 5054 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is a tradition of a Deborah Spelman being the wife of our James Barlow. It is true that there was a Deborah Spelman who married a James Barlow; however, that another James Barlow who died 20 Sep 1837 in Granville -- he was a Colonel and Esquire and he died at age 66. He was the son of Edmund Barlow and Sybil Root. 2. Today's Hampden County of Massachusetts was originally Middlesex County until it was split off in 1662 and named Hampshire County. Hampden County was formed from Hampshire County in 1812. 3. James and Elizabeth Barlow had a daughter named Lydia Barlow who was born 31 Mar 1777 in Granville. Apparently James died within a year of this birth. MARRIAGE: 1. Possible second marriage of "Widow Elizabeth Barlow" to Mackoon Williams with intention recorded 15 Dec 1799 in Granville. He is noted as being of Southington [Conn.] http://ma-vitalrecords.org/MA/Hampden/Granville/cMarriagesB.shtml | Elizabeth (I2448)
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| 5055 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is much discussion in the notes below concerning the parallel line of Stockers that ended up in Pennsylvania from Preuschdorf and which are related to us at about 12 generations or so. The earliest ancestor of the parallel line is shown to have been from Kottweil and so I infer that our earliest ancestor on our line is probably of the same origin. The discussions below talk about an alternate reading of the old German script for Kottwill as perhaps Rottwill depending on how one reads the old script for the first letter. Professional researchers were engaged for looking at the Rottweil records in southwest Germany and no Stockers whatsoever were found, which eliminates this town as the source. It leaves us with Kottweil for the parallel line. Kottweil is in Canton Zurich in Switzerland. Our earliest ancestor, Christian, is indicated as having come from Canton Berne. Perhaps there is a Kottweil in Canton Berne as well, but so far one hasn't been found. Perhaps the clerk was generalizing when he said Canton Berne for Christian. Many people from Switzerland came to southern Germany after the 30 Year War. Also in regards to places, in the original Feldberg records our people were noted to be from Hennenbach (aka Gennenbach since H and G are interchangeable in old German) -- a small hamlet adjacent to Feldberg. Today it is identified as Gennenbach. There is also a Gennenbach just east of Mulheim due west of Feldberg and about an hour's drive from Feldberg -- it is the wrong one. Gennenbach near Feldberg is difficult to find except when one looks at a map of Feldberg, there is a lane name Gennenbach that leads just a very short distance to a grouping of about a half a dozen houses; evidently my term "hamlet" overly enlarges the actual place -- it is more like a neighborhood. 2. Modern DNA testing results provided by family researcher Noel Stoker suggest a 75% chance of relationship between the immigrants Johann Michael Stocker of Maryland and Hans Michael Stocker of Pennsylvania at the 9-generation level and 95% at the 12-generation level. The ancestry of the Pennsylvania Stockers was already partially known and so these DNA results were able to lead Noel to search Preuschdorf, Alsace, France (previously Germany), where the christening of Michael (the Maryland immigrant) was finally found occurring in 1730. The following explanation shows current generational ancestral research as of 19 Mar 2015 of the two parallel lines going back in the search for the common ancestor. The records lead back from the Preuschdorf area to about 110 miles south to the hamlet Gennenbach in the Feldberg parish in Baden and then finally to perhaps Kottwill in the Bern Canton of Switzerland. (In German a "G" and "H" were often interchangeable, hence we see "Gennenbach" sometimes rendered as "Hennenbach.") The earliest Feldberg Stockers seemed to have all been carpenters in Gennenbach. (Note also that Feldberg was anciently also rendered as Veldberg or Veldtberg.) The LDS Family History Library in Lucerne recently confirmed to Noel that there are 9 or 11 locations in Canton Lucerne alone where Stockers are known to have lived anciently. Other sources indicate Stockers are also found in Zurich and throughout Switzerland. Current research is bumping up against the earliest entries of existing church records; however, research is ongoing: A. The ancestral line of our Johann Michael Stocker, immigrant circa 1752-1755 to Frederick, Maryland is as follows: 1. Johann Michael Stocker, b. 15 Apr 1730 in Goersdorf, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France; chr. 16 Apr 1730 in Preuschdorf, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France. He married three times in Maryland. 2. His father is Hans Michael Stocker, b. in Goersdorf and chr. 10 Jan 1684 in Preuschdorf; d. 16 Feb 1756 in Goersdorf and bur. 18 Feb 1756 in Preuschdorf. He married 4 Jan 1721 in Preuschdorf Eva Staehli, chr. 12 Nov. 1693 at Sulz unterm Wald (Soultz-sous-Forêts), Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France; d. 28 Apr 1746 at Goersdorf and bur. 30 Apr 1746 at Preuschdorf. Hans Michael first married Nov 1712 at Preuschdorf Anna Fischer, b. 9 Jun 1691 and d. 26 Dec 1719 both at Goersdorf. The marriage records give his father's name as Johann Friedrich Stocker, carpenter, of Goersdorf. 3. His grandfather is Johann Friedrich Stocker, b. in Gennenbach village and chr. 22 Jul 1652 in the parish of Feldberg, Baden, Germany; d. 24 Nov 1708 at Goersdorf and bur. 26 Nov 1708 at Preuschdorf. He married 4 May 1680 at Wörth an der Sauer, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France, Anna Barbara ___, widow of Hans Friedrich Bartl; she d. 18 Apr 1695 at Goersdorf and bur. 20 Apr 1695 at Preuschdorf. Johann Friedrich married second 6 Mar 1696 at Preuschdorf Ursula Maria ___, widow of Jacob Dirzon(sp.?) The marriage record gives Johann Friedrich's origins as "a carpenter of Feldberg in der Oberman Grafschaft" and his father as the "Deceased Christian Stocker of Feldberg." Friedrich's christening record calls him Johan Fridelin with parents "Caspar Stocker of Gennenbach, [a] carpenter, [and] Margaretha." The name Casper occurs no where else in the parish records and is a probably clerical error for Christian in the context of Feldberg church records. Fridelin is variant form of Friedrich. 4. His great-grandparents are Christian Stocker and Margretha Wackerin (which may be the feminine version of Wacker). Christian was reported deceased in Feldberg prior to his son's 1680 marriage. His death at age 64 is recorded in Feldberg on 16 Apr 1669 calling him a "citizen and carpenter in Gennenbach." His birth calculates as about 1605. Besides his son Friedrich's 1652 christening in Feldberg, there are four other children of Christian Stocker "a carpenter of Gennenbach" and his wife Margaretha christened in Feldberg from 1650 to 1655. It is in one of these other christenings that we learn of Margretha's maiden surname. Christian most likely had some relationship with Hans Stocker, also a carpenter in Gennenbach, who d. 25 Jan 1649 per Feldberg records (see C-1 below); the relationship may be as siblings or even as father and son, but it has not yet be determined for sure one way or another. (Also see C-2 below for a discussion of a possible second Christian Stocker in early Feldberg.) B. The ancestral line of Hans Michael Stocker, 1731 immigrant to Pennsylvania is as follows: 1. Hans Michael Stocker, b. 24 Nov 1701 at Mitschdorf, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France and chr. 27 Nov 1701 at Preuschdorf, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France. He married 30 Jan 1725 at Preuschdorf to Anna Margretha Stephan, chr. 30 May 1708 in Preuschdorf. The marriage record gives the name of groom's father as Hans Michael Stocker. 2. His father is Hans Michael Stocker, chr. 28 Mar 1669 at Feldberg, Baden, Germany, d. 27 Mar 1739 at Mitschdorf and bur. 28 Mar 1739 at Preuschdorf. He married 25 Nov 1692 at Mitschdorf, Maria Remp, b. 21 Mar 1669 at Preuschdorf. There are no birth or christening records for Hans Michael in Preuschdorf and the age reported at the time of death would give a birth date of circa 1667. The marriage record indicates the father of the groom was Jacob Stocker residing at Goersdorf. 3. His grandfather is Hans Jacob Stocker, b. abt. 1630 of Kottwill, Bern, Switzerland, d. 31 Mar 1690 at Goersdorf, Bas-Rhin, Alsace, France; bur. 2 Apr 1690 in Preuschdorf. He married 21 Jan 1661 at Feldberg to Margaretha Schinbein, chr. 17 Sep 1643 at Feldberg, "dau. of the late Fridlin Schinbein, judge" of Feldberg. In the marriage record, the pastor recorded that the groom was the son of Jacob Stocker who is a citizen of Kottwill near Bern, Switzerland. His first appearance in Goersdorf is in 1682 when as a widower he married Magdalena Linder, who was a widow. (He may also be the same "Jacob Stockert" who with his wife Maria, residents of the hamlet Hermersweiler, had a son Hans Philipp chr. 28 May 1681 in the parish Sulz unterm Wald (Soultz-sous-Forêts), Alsace, France, which is nearby to Goersdorf. The christening record says that Philipp's parents were of the Pontif religion (Catholic). If this is the same Jacob, then Maria may have died in childbirth in 1681 and Margaretha would be the first wife, Maria the second, and Magdalena the third. This may also mean that he was Catholic and Jacob married an Evangelical, then a Catholic, and then finally an Evangelical wife.) 4. His great-grandfather is Jacob Stocker of "Kottwill, Switzerland near Bern" (penmanship difficult but could alternately Rottwill). (The exact location of Rottwill is undetermined; however, searching ancient Switzerland, Noel Stoker discovered a Rotwill which he believes is the current Rottweil in Baden, Germany. Noel indicates that in the 1600s and for several centuries before and after, it was part of Switzerland. When Napoleon conquered the area in 1803, the alignment changed and it was ceded to Germany. It is about 50 miles from Baden and borders the Black Forest. Further professionally-hired research shows no Stockers in Rottweil..) C. Loose ends: 1. Hans Stocker: The first recording of a Stocker in the Feldberg parish records which begin in 1639 is in 1649 for a Hans Stocker, a carpenter, who lives in the village of Gennenbach and dies 25 Jan 1649 with no age stated. The Feldberg record provides specific names of some of Hans children as follows -- a son Heinrich who marries Ursula Müller in 1656 and a daughter Verona who has an illegitimate daughter named Elizabeth chr. in 1656 (with Peter Hertzogen). Another son, even though not so identified in the record, may be Hans Stockher at Gennenbach who was married 4 Nov 1661 to Elisabeth, dau. of Baltzer Dinger. Being these three children of Hans are marrying or producing children starting in 1656, it may indicate that Hans may have died in 1649 relatively young. 2. Stocker: Zacharias first shows in Goersdorf where he is named a new citizen in 1674. He along with Hans Jacob Stocker, grandfather of the Pennsylvania immigrant, were the only two Stockers in the earliest Preuschdorf parish records. Zacharias is reported having died in 1692 at Goersdorf. In Feldberg, we find his two first marriages: Zacharias and Maria Keller on 27 Jun 1659; Zacharias and Katherine Schum on 4 Apr 1667. In the 1659 marriage record, he is identified as the son of Christian; in the 1667 marriage record he is identified as a widower and carpenter; and in both records "of Gennenbach." This information shows that he was possibly the son of Christian Stocker and Margretha Wackerin (see A-4 above). Based on Zacharias being first married in 1659, his birth would probably be no later than about 1634 assuming being age 25 or older at the marriage. Five of Christian and Margretha's children are documented being born from 1650 to 1655, which is a large gap from Zacharias' assumed birth date. This may mean that Christian (1605-1669) was married twice with Zacharias being of the earlier marriage. Another problem may be the age difference between Christian and Margretha -- Christian would have been 45 in 1650 and Margretha 10 to 20 years younger to be in her child-bearing years. Such large gaps in years between spouses in this era is a bit unusual but perhaps not impossible. There is also the possiblity that there may have been an earlier generation Christian for which no mention has yet been found in the records. (Price and Associate's report of 17 Feb 2014, p. 4, discusses another Hans Michael Stocker who died in the Preuschdorf in 1762, at age 73, making a birth of 1689. There were then three Hans Michael Stockers in the Preuschdorf area at the same time. The youngest, the Pennsylvania immigrant born in 1701, the younger born in 1689, and the "older" born in 1684 who was father of the Maryland immigrant. Noel Stoker has indicated the one born in 1689 was the son of Zacharias (who married Anna Catharina Naegelin on 21 June 1681 in Preuschdorf); this Zacharias is probably the same Zacharias who was the son of Christian.) 3. Price and Associates, Inc., (c) Research Report, prepared for Noel Stoker and used by his permission. Report dated 19 Apr 2014. File name: Stocker2014Mar/1333. A transcript of the report: "OBJECTIVES • Continue from the previous project by researching the Stocker ancestry. • Research the Staehli ancestry. RESULTS • Found the marriage for Friedrich Stocker and Anna Barbara [no maiden name known]. • Identified four siblings of Friedrich Stocker. • Located the death entry of Christian Stocker, the oldest ancestor in this line at this point. • Found the baptismal entry of Eva Staehli. RECOMMENDATIONS • Determine whether pre-1639 records exist for Feldberg. • Conduct an area search around Wörth for the first marriage between the ancestor Anna Barbara [no maiden name known] and Hans Heinrich Bartl. • Continue research on the Staehli line for about 100 additional years back to 1595. [BACKGROUND] This research started where the previous project ended by following the Stocker line of Goersdorf, Alsace. This area was for a long time German territory, but since the end of World War II it has belonged to France. The ancestral Stockers spoke German, and the Lutheran parish books are recorded in German. Several extractions were made in 1993. The family group sheets created based on the extractions were provided by the client. Before the research started, a few questions from the client needed to be answered. Question 1: Does the marriage record of Hanss Michael Stocker to Anna Margaretha Stephan on 30 Jan 1725 at Preuschdorf specifically list his age or his father/parents as Hans Michael Stocker and Maria Remp? If not, how do we know the correct parents of the Hans Michael who married in 1725? Answer: The marriage record of Hanss Michael Stocker to Anna Margaretha Stephan lists the day of marriage, the names of groom and bride, and the parents of the bride and the father of the groom (being Hans Michael Stocker). It does not list the name of the mother. Question 2: How do we know the Hanss Michael Stocker who married Maria Remp in 1692 at Mitschdorf was born in Oct 1669 at Mitschdorf? Did the 1692 marriage entry provide Hanss Michael's parents or his place of residence? Answer: The 1692 marriage entry for Hanss Michael Stocker and Maria Remp states that the groom was the son of Jacob Stocker, [the father] residing in Goersdorf; and the father of the bride was listed as Jacob Remp, the mother as Maria Stephan, both of Mitschdorf. This record does not state whether the groom was born in Mitschdorf or Goersdorf or anywhere else. Since this was not a direct line, his information was not double verified during the previous project. The Preuschdorf parish entries were checked this time, which include Mitschdorf and Goersdorf. The birth entry for him was not found in these parish records. At this point, it is not sure where the birth in October 1669 came from. It definitely needs to be removed. His death entry states his age, but according to this he was born in 1667 (+/- 1 year). If all the Stocker families did move from Feldberg to Goersdorf and Mitschdorf, as suggested by the researcher who worked on these lines in 1993, the data found back then for him could be correct. The only conflicting information that would stay in that case is the given name of the mother. Her name was either Magretha or Magdalena. There is a chance that either the parish priest recorded it wrong or she had indeed two given names. STOCKER LINE The researcher who performed the research in 1993 came to the conclusion that the Stocker ancestry moved from the town Feldberg, Grand Duchy of Baden, to Goesdorf, Alsace, but did not deliver any solid proof for it. The distance between these two towns is between 110 and 120 miles in a straight line. For the late 1600s, this was quite a distance to move. On the other hand, between the 1650s (a few years after the end of the Thirty Years War) and the 1680s, many people moved wider distances because the black plague wiped out one-third of Europe; in some areas whole villages were left completely empty. Especially children that did not inherit the family farm took advantage of this and moved to other areas. Also the local nobility often made promises of a lower tax to new settlers. There were two possible ways to perform the next research steps. One would be to conduct an area search in parishes nearby to find the marriage entry of the direct ancestor, Johann Friedrich Stocker, and Anna Barbara [no maiden name known]. The other possibility would be to verify the Feldberg parish records and retrace the steps performed in 1993. It was decided to analyze the research report from 1993 and the family group sheets based on this. The researcher found a marriage for Friedrich Stocker and Anna Barbara listed as 4 May 1680, married in Goersdorf. This marriage was not recorded in the Preuschdorf parish records (Goersdorf belonged to Preuschdorf). [Kirchenbuch Preuschdorf, Heiraten 1661-1715; FHL INTL Film 769168 item 4.] In fact, no marriages at all were recorded there between 1674 and November 1683. None of the other entries in these previously mentioned family group sheets gave any other clue than the connection to the town Feldberg. Therefore, the Feldberg marriages were checked. Even though many Stockers married there, the desired marriage entry was not found. [Kirchenbuch Preuschdorf, Heiraten 1639-1793; FHL INTL Film 1189398 item 5.] If the wife, Anna Barbara, was not from Feldberg, the couple could have married somewhere near Goersdorf/Preuschdorf. Therefore, an area search was begun. The first place to check was the neighboring Lutheran parish of Lembach. The marriage entry was not found there. [Kirchenbuch Lembach, Heiraten 1651-1684; FHL INTL Film 717154, item 6; and Heiraten 1656-1689; FHL INTL Film 717154, item 7 (two different records with overlapping years).] Also the baptisms did not list a Johann Friedrich Stocker born in or about 1654 (calculated based on his death entry). [Kirchenbuch Lembach, Taufen 1649-1674; FHL INTL Film 717154, item 6.] The neighboring Langensulzbach Parish was ignored since their marriage records do not begin until 1689; baptisms begin in 1674. The third neighboring parish was in Wörth an der Sauer. Finally, the correct marriage was found. [Kirchenbuch Wörth (an der Sauer), Heiraten 1572-1635, 1641-1694; FHL INTL Film 1069776.] The date is the very same as found in 1993, just the town name was recorded wrong. The entry states Goersdorf on the left and could be an indicator to where the marriage might have been performed, but it could also be understood as an annotation to the place of residence of bride and groom. This was very likely where the mistake came in. Following is the record. Marriage Register. Source: Lutheran Church Records of Wörth, Bas-Rhin Alsace, France: - M. 4 May 1680: Friedrich Stocker, a carpenter, of Feldberg in der Oberman Grafschaft, married Anna Barbel of Görsdorf; parents of the groom: Deceased Christian Stocker of Feldberg; parents of the bride: [Parents not stated, but the following information was stated:] Widow of the deceased Hanss Friedrich Bartl, a former tailor in Goersdorf. Page 224, entry 4/1680. (Doc.1) The first marriage between Hanss Friedrich Bartl and Anna Barbel (=Barbara) was sought in this parish, but not found. This record would provide her maiden name. Very likely she was again from another parish and the couple married there. Only an area search might produce this record. The marriage entry above gives the town of origin as "Feldberg in der Oberman Grafschaft." A "Grafschaft" is a countship. In the 1600s and 1700s, Baden was a countship. It did not become a Grand Duchy until 1806. No reference was found in printed or online sources to the Oberman entry related to the Baden countship. There are at least five different Feldbergs in the former German Empire, but none of them relates to Oberman. The Feldberg in Baden is closest to Goersdorf in spite of its 110 to 120 miles linear distance. This is not absolute proof that the Stocker ancestry came from there, but the evidence pointing into this direction can't be denied. While analyzing the early parish records of Wörth, it was realized that this parish must have been responsible for the people who belonged since 1660 to the parish Preuschdorf. Since the calculated birth year for Anna Barbel/Anna Barbara was known from her death entry, the baptisms were searched in spite of the possibility that she might have been from another parish. She was born in or about 1645. The baptisms produced three Anna Barbaras born in 1644, but none in 1645 or 1646. Any or none of them could have been the ancestor. The children of (Johann) Friedrich Stocker and Anna Barbara were found during the last research project. Therefore, the research turned back to the Feldberg parish records. In 1993, the researcher found four children, with an additional one born 18 years before the rest. The four children previously found could be confirmed; the oldest one was not confirmed since his birth took place before Wörth Parish kept records. The direct ancestor (Johann/Hans) Friedrich Stocker was not among those found. If this is the correct ancestral line - and this is the only family where Christian Stocker was the father - then the direct ancestor must have been baptized in another parish or his baptism was not recorded. Following are the four children mentioned (note two sets of twins). [Kirchenbuch Feldberg, Taufen 1639-1793; FHL INTL Film 1189398, item 5.] Birth Register. Source: Lutheran Church Records of Feldberg, Baden, Germany: - Chr. 6 Jan 1650: Hans Stocker (twin); father: Christn. Stocker of Hennenbach; mother: Margretha [no maiden name]. No page #, entry 139. (Doc. 2) - Chr. 6 Jan 1650, died 15 Apr 1725: Maria Stocker (twin); father: Christn. Stocker of Hennenbach; mother: Margretha [no maiden name]. No page #, entry 140. (Doc. 2) - Chr. 6th of Trinitatis 1655 [= 22 Jul. 1655]: Adam Stocker (twin); father: Christian Stocker, a carpenter in Hennenbach; mother: Margaretha [no maiden name]. No page #, entry 12. (Doc. 3) - Chr. 6th of Trinitatis 1655 [= 22 Jul. 1655]: Eva Stocker (twin); father: Christian Stocker, a carpenter in Hennenbach; mother: Margaretha [no maiden name]. No page #, entry 12. (Doc. 3) The marriage entry of the parents, Christian Stocker and Margaretha, was not found in Feldberg. There is a chance that they married before 1639, the year the parish records start. Only a search in neighboring parishes would produce this document - if the neighboring parishes have such old records. The researcher from 1993 also found the death entry of a Christian Stocker. It cannot be proven that this pertains to the direct ancestor, but the name and profession fit. Also this Christian Stocker died before 1680, which would be confirmed in the marriage entry of the son. If he was the correct ancestor, his wife Margaretha must have been his second wife, because she would not have had all her children in her mid- to late 40s and none in her 30s. Following is the death entry. [Kirchenbuch Feldberg, Tote 1639-1793; FHL INTL Film 1189398, item 5.] Death Register. Source: Lutheran Church Records of Feldberg, Baden, Germany: - D. 16 Apr. 1669: Christian Stokher [note different spelling], citizen and carpenter in Hennenbach; age 64 years; relationships [not stated]. No page #, entry 75. (Doc. 4) An area search around Feldberg was not done. A first look at the records available revealed that only one of the parishes in the wider vicinity had older records, but these records are only a name index of adults living in this parish. Another church closer to Feldberg was already established 1620, but their baptisms do not start until 1639 - the same year as Feldberg's. Therefore, the chance to continue the Stocker line is very low. STAEHLI LINE Before wrapping up this research project, a quick look was made into the Lutheran Sulz parish records. According to the marriage entry between Hanss Michael Stocker and Eva Staehli in 1721 (found in a previous research project), she was from Sultz. There is a "Sulz unterm Wald" nearby, today called Soultz-sous-Forêts. The baptismal entries of this parish records were analyzed, and her entry was found. Since her date of birth could be calculated based on her entry in the death record, this was a quick task. [Kirchenbuch Sulz unterm Wald, Taufen 1684-1747; FHL INTL Film 796891.] Following is the entry. Birth Register. Source: Lutheran Church Records of Sulz unterm Wald, Bas-Rhin Alsace, France: - Chr. 12 Nov. 1693: Eva Steley; father: Johannes Steley; mother: Eva [no maiden name]. Page 89 a+b, no entry #. (Doc. 05) The family name of the father is spelled Steley, but the signature under the record spells it Stehl. In another record where he and his wife are mentioned as godparents, his name is spelled Stelly. No further research was done on this Staehli/Steley/Stehl line. The next project should seek the siblings and the marriage record of the parents. The individuals who could be connected to the ancestral tree were entered into the client database. None of the other non-related family members were extracted at this time. Conclusion An area search produced the marriage of Friedrich Stocker and Anna Barbara [no maiden name known] and proved that the Stocker ancestry was indeed from Feldberg. Four siblings of Friedrich Stocker were found, but concrete proof that these were indeed his siblings could not be produced. A death entry of one of the ancestors (Christian Stoker) makes it possible to calculate the year of his birth, but this ancestor was born about a quarter century before record keeping began in this parish. The oldest parish nearby has only a few records back to 1620, but even that is several years after the calculated birth of Christian Stoker. For the Staehli line, the baptismal entry of Eva Staehli (in her record spelled Steley) was found. No time was left to extract the rest of the family. Recommendations A gazetteer should be checked to see whether records are available for Feldberg prior to 1639. An older parish nearby that was responsible for Feldberg prior to that year might contain the early Stocker ancestry, but the chance to find such older records is rather small. An area search around Wörth might produce the first marriage between the ancestor Anna Barbara [no maiden name known] and Hans Heinrich Bartl. Research in the Sulz Lutheran parish records for the Staehli line should continue. The Sulz parish records are available on microfilm at the Family History Library back to 1595 - a potential of almost 100 years of records. It was a pleasure to research your ancestry, and we look forward to continuing, according to your instructions." 4. Price and Associates, Inc., (c) Research Report, prepared for Noel Stoker and used by his permission. Report dated 8 Sep 2014. File name: Stocker2014Jun/1333. A transcript of the report: OBJECTIVES • Answer questions pertaining to previous research. • Continue the Stocker line if records are available. RESULTS • Answered as many of the client's questions as possible. Some answers were not found due to the non-availability of records for the early 1600s and late 1500s. • Found a possible lead on the Stocker ancestry in Willisau, Switzerland, but there was not enough time left to finish the research. RECOMMENDATIONS • Continue research in the Willisau, Switzerland, records for any trace of the ancestral Stocker family. • Search for the marriage record of Hans Jacob Stocker in or near Hermersweiler prior to 1681. • Search the Sulz Lutheran parish records for the Staehli line. • Search for the marriage record of the ancestor Anna Barbara [no maiden name known] and Hans Heinrich Bartl. [QUESTIONS & ANSWERS] The objectives of this research project were to answer the client's questions pertaining to previous research and then continue the Stocker line if records are available. Question 1: Client noted that the research for individuals born into earlier (older) generations of the Stocker line was not finished yet. Answer: The client is correct. The research on the Stocker line is not completely finished yet. This part of research is partially addressed in questions 2 through 6. Question 2: Identify the most recent common ancestor of Johann Michael Stocker of Frederick (RIN 273) and Hans Michael Stocker of Mitschdorf (RIN 29). Answer: Currently this question is impossible to answer. It seems they must have been related; the question is how. The Stocker surname (in various spellings) is not very common in Alsace-Lorraine. The parish records of Preuschdorf are too late to answer this question. ["Preuschdorf, Marriges Protestants Lutheriens 1660-1792," includes Goersdorf, Kutzenhausen, Lampertsloch, and Mitschdorf; Evangelishe Kirche Preuschdorf, Taufen 1660-1715, Tote 1661-1715, FHL INTL Film 769168 item 4.] An area search around Feldberg (see also the answer to question 3) did not produce any results. The origin of the Stocker family name points to Germany, according to the German Geneanet database, [Geneanet (http://de.geneanet.org/familiennamen/STOCKER: accessed 6 Sep. 2014)] but in the 1500s Switzerland is also listed. GenWiki [GenWiki (http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/Stocker_%28Familienname%29: accessed 6 Sep. 2014] lists only sources for southern Germany and Austria, but has no references prior to 1724. To investigate the possibility that the Stocker ancestry originated in Kottwil, these records were investigated. In the 1600s there were only Catholic parishes in that area, but the later generations of the Stocker line were Lutheran. This could have been why the Stocker families emigrated from the religiously conservative Switzerland to Baden and Alsace-Lorraine. The Catholic Ettiswil parish records were examined since Kottwil belonged to Ettiswil. [Katholishe Kirche Ettiswil, Taufen 1585-1649, FHL INTL Film 999710] The baptisms between 1590 and 1649 produced three different Stocker families, but strangely each had only one child per family and none was Hans/Johann Michael Stocker. But the baptismal entries between 1621 and 1634 are missing from the parish books. These years are permanently lost, as confirmed by a note in the parish records themselves. There were several entries with the spelling Stöckli, but no connection could be found between the Stöckli and the Stocker lines. Question 3: What is the relationship between Christian Stocker (died 1669, age 64) and Hans Stocker (died 1649, no age listed)? Answer: Hans Stocker was not listed in the client database. Therefore his death record was looked up to obtain information about him. [Kirchenbuch Feldberg, Tote 1639-1793, FHL INTL Film 1189398 items 5-9] This entry was then compared with the death record found previously for Christian Stocker. The comparison produced the following result. Christian Stocker. Carpenter. Of Gennenbach. 64 years old. Hans Stocker. Carpenter. Of Gennenbach. No age stated. Both were adults, both were carpenters, and both were of the same town Gennenbach. [The family group sheets prepared by Trudy Schenk in 1993 mistakenly spelled this localith Hennenbach.] Often a profession was passed from father to son. Unfortunately the death records of the 1640s and 1650 did not list the ages of the deceased. Marriage records of Feldberg Parish were searched but did not deliver any clue either. There is a chance Christian was the son of Hans Stocker, but this cannot be proven with Feldberg parish records since they do not go back far enough. [Kirchenbuch Feldberg, Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1639-1793, FHL INTL Film 1189398 items 5-9] Therefore the older parish records of the neighboring parishes were checked. These include Niedereggenen, Obereggenen, Badenweiler, Müllheim, and Auggen. Prior to 1556, Niedereggenen belonged to Obereggenen. [Evangelische Kirche Niedereggenen, Heiraten 1697-1740, FHL INTL Film 1189419 items 11-12.] For Obereggenen no Stocker entry prior to 1650 was found. [Evangelische Kirche Oberreggenen, Heiraten 1638-1739, FHL INTL Film 1189415 items 11-13.] A marriage was found in Badenweiler, but it was dated 1725. ["Ortssippenbuch der ehemaligen Vogtei Badenweiler," FFHL 943.46/B13 D2h.] Müllheim parish records start in 1679. [Evangelische Kirche Müllheim, Heiraten 1679-1788, FHL INTL Film 1189577.] For Auggen, no Stocker entry prior to 1650 was found. [Evangelische Kirche Auggen, Heiraten 1639-1651, FHL INTL Film 1189424.] The parishes Feuerbach, Vogelbach, Hügelheim, and Britzingen do not border Feldberg but are close enough to be worth researching. However, Feuerbach records do not start until 1657. [Evangelische Kirche Feuerbach, Heiraten 1660-1817, FHL INTL Film 1189402 items 5-8.] In Vogelbach, Stocker entries were found, but only children of a Martin Stocker. [Evangelische Kirche Vogelbach, Heiraten 1625-1692, FHL INTL Film 1189427.] No Stocker entry was found in Hügelheim. [Evangelische Kirche Hügelheim, Heiraten 1643-1725, FHL INTL Film 1189499 items 1-7.] In Britzingen, there is a gap for all ordinances between 1638 and 1643, but in the rest no Stocker was found. [Evangelische Kirche Britzingen, Heiraten 1635-1720, FHL INTL Film 1189490 items 1-2.] Based on this small area search, no definitive answer of relationship can be given. Question 4: The family group sheets provided by Trudy Schenk in 1993 might contain a mistake regarding Zacharias Stocker being the son of Christian Stocker and Margaretha. Answer: By comparing the existing family group sheets, there are two theories: (1) Zacharias Stocker (born about 1632, possibly in or near Feldberg) was born into the first marriage of Christian Stocker (because of an 18-year gap between the children of Christian Stocker), or (2) two different Christian Stockers had children in Feldberg about 20 years apart. The pre-1650 marriage and death records of Feldberg were examined in hopes of finding a definitive answer. [Evangelische Kirche Feldberg, Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1639-1793, FHL INTL Film 1189398 items 5-9.] The result of this search was negative, meaning no further light could be shed on this problem. If Christian Stocker was married twice and the first wife was from a neighboring parish, the couple might have married there. As already mentioned, the following parishes border Feldberg: Niedereggenen, Obereggenen, Badenweiler, Müllheim, and Auggen. These parishes were researched as far as records were available for the desired time frame. [Evangelische Kirche Niedereggenen, Heiraten 1697-1740, FHL INTL Film 1189419 items 11-12.] [Evangelische Kirche Oberreggenen, Heiraten 1638-1739, FHL INTL Film 1189415 items 11-13.] ["Ortssippenbuch der ehemaligen Vogtei Badenweiler," FFHL 943.46/B13 D2h.] [Evangelische Kirche Müllheim, Heiraten 1679-1788, FHL INTL Film 1189577.] [Evangelische Kirche Auggen, Heiraten 1639-1651, FHL INTL Film 1189424.] To make a long story short, no Christian Stocker was found in the marriage records. Also the indirect neighboring parishes of Feuerbach, Vogelbach, Hügelheim, and Britzingen were checked. No marriage for Christian Stocker was found. [Evangelische Kirche Feuerbach, Heiraten 1660-1817, FHL INTL Film 1189402 items 5-8.] [Evangelische Kirche Vogelbach, Heiraten 1625-1692, FHL INTL Film 1189427.] [Evangelische Kirche Hügelheim, Heiraten 1643-1725, FHL INTL Film 1189499 items 1-7.] [Evangelische Kirche Britzingen, Heiraten 1635-1720, FHL INTL Film 1189490 items 1-2.] Question 5: Were Christian Stocker (RIN 302) and Jacob Stocker (RIN 224) of Kottwil, Switzerland, and if yes, were they brothers? Answer: As already mentioned under question 2, the parish records of Ettiswil were examined where the people of Kottwil worshipped, with the objective of finding entries that point to these two individuals. [Katholische Kirche Ettiswil, Taufen 1585-1649, Heiraten 1589-1650, Tote 1590-1650, FHL INTL Film 999710.] One baptismal entry for a Jacob Stocker, son of Johannes Stocker and Anna, nee Graber, was found in 1621. Whether this is the same Jacob Stocker (RIN 224) could not be proven with the records available. In theory it is possible that Magdalena, the wife of Jacob Stocker, was born in or about 1624. Since Jacob and Magdalena married about 1664 in Alsace-Lorraine, it was likely a second marriage for both that established the direct ancestry. Final proof of the validity of the family connection between Jacob Stocker (RIN 224) and the Jacob Stocker born in 1621 cannot be given. Nothing was found for Christian Stocker (RIN 302). The neighboring parishes to Ettiswil were also checked. The Catholic parish Grosswangen was checked first. [Katholische Kirche Grosswangen, Taufen 1584-1654, Heiraten 1593-1654, Tote 1593-1654, FHL INTL Film 999474 item 1.] These records had very bad handwriting, and no information on any Stocker families was found. The Catholic Willisau parish was checked next. [Katholische Kirche Willisau, Taufen 1595-1651, Heiraten, Tote 1598-1655, FHL INTL Film 999481.] There was only enough time to check the baptisms between 1598 and 1610. Children of Peter Stockher, Johannes Stuck (or Stucker - hard to read), and Beatus Stocker were noted. More research in this parish will be necessary to find possible connecting points to the rest of the Stocker posterity. Question 6: Were Jacob and Zacharias Stocker, who both had children in the 1690s, siblings or cousins? Answer: Hans Jacob Stocker was born about 1634 probably near Kottwil and Zacharias Stocker was born about 1632 either in Kottwil, Goersdorf, or Feldberg. There are no baptismal records early enough to mention these individuals in Feldberg [Evangelische Kirche Feldberg, Taufen, Heiraten, Tote 1639-1793, FHL INTL Film 1189398 items 5-9] or Preuschdorf ["Preuschdorf, Marriges Protestants Lutheriens 1660-1792," includes Goersdorf, Kutzenhausen, Lampertsloch, and Mitschdorf; Evangelishe Kirche Preuschdorf, Taufen 1660-1715, Tote 1661-1715, FHL INTL Film 769168 item 4] (where Goersdorf belongs). For Kottwil (parish Ettiswil [Katholische Kirche Ettiswil, Taufen 1585-1649, Heiraten 1589-1650, Tote 1590-1650, FHL INTL Film 999710]) only Catholic records are available. From previous research it is known that Zacharias Stocker was the son of Christian Stocker (by the marriage record found previously). According to Trudy Schenk's 1993 research, Hans Jacob Stocker was the son of Jacob Stocker, but no proof was provided for this. The only way to prove this would be to find either the marriage record of Hans Jacob Stocker in or near Hermersweiler (prior to 1681) or the baptismal entries for both in the Catholic records of Kottwil. [Katholische Kirche Ettiswil, Taufen 1585-1649, Heiraten 1589-1650, Tote 1590-1650, FHL INTL Film 999710.] If neither set of records produces a result, this question is impossible to answer. There was no time left to work on this task. The research in the later Kottwil baptisms and the Hermersweiler marriages has to wait until the next research project is approved. The client asked for a pedigree showing the relationships of those we know. This task was not done yet since many of these relationships are not confirmed. Following are all findings made during this research session. As already mentioned, for none of the entries could proof be found linking them to the ancestral family tree. Therefore these entries were entered into a separate database and prepared for temple work. Marriage Register. Source: Ortssippenbuch Badenweiler, Baden, Germany: - M. 27 Nov. 1725 Johann Stocker, born 23 Feb. 1702 in Feldberg, and Anna Schuhmacher, born 12 May 1704 in Zunzingen; father of the groom: Michael Stocker of Feldberg; father of the bride: [Not stated]. No page #, entry 8852. Marriage Register. Source: Evangelische Kirche Vogelbach, Baden, Germany: - M. 6 Jul. 1628: Ulrich Stocker and Anna Meyer; father of the groom: Martin Stocker; father of the bride: Deceased Jacob Meyer. Page 28, entry #55. - M. 10 May 1629: Ulrich Stocker [same as above] and Sophia, Grizman[?] of Friburg [possibly Freiburg]; father of the groom: [Not stated]; father of the bride: Deceased Conradt Grizman[?]. Page 29, entry #3. Birth Register (the mothers of these children all had the very same name). Source: Lutheran Church Records of Ettiswil, Luzern, Switzerland: - Chr. 12 Feb. 1620: Peter Stocker; father: Peter Stocker; mother: Anna, nee Graber. Page 254. - Chr. 6 Dec. 1621: Jacob Stocker; father: Johannes Stocker; mother: Anna, nee Graber. Page 262. - Chr. 15 Feb. 1634: Caspar Stocker; father: Steffan Stocker; mother: Anna, nee Graber. Page 269. Birth Register. Source: Lutheran Church Records of Willisau, Luzern, Switzerland: - Chr. 18 Dec. 1600: Maria Stockher; father: Peter Stockher; mother: Barbara, nee Rogger. No page #, no entry #. - Chr. 28 Oct. 1601: Maria Stuck; father: Johannes Stuck; mother: Verena, nee Zipt. No page #, no entry #. - Chr. 21 Nov. 1602: Apolonia Stocker; father: Beatus Stocker; mother: Barbara, nee Bauwart. No page #, no entry #. - Chr. 24 Feb. 1605: Henrich Stocker; father: Beatus Stocker; mother: Barbara, nee Bauwarth. No page #, no entry #. - Chr. 22 Oct. 1609: Elisabeth Stocker; father: Jacob Stocker; mother: Maria, nee am Rein. No page #, no entry #. Altogether 31 individuals were entered into the database and prepared for temple work. CONCLUSION One of the tasks of this project was to answer several questions posed by the client. No definitive answer could be given to identify the most recent common ancestor of Johann Michael Stocker of Frederick and Hans Michael Stocker of Mitschdorf. Also, no definitive answer can be given regarding the question about the relationship between Christian Stocker and Hans Stocker, due to missing older parish records. The question regarding whether Zacharias Stocker was the son of Christian Stocker and Margaretha could not be answered, again because of missing older parish records. To answer the question about the relationship between Christian Stocker and Jacob Stocker, not enough time was left. The answer has to wait until the next research project. Also for the question as to whether Jacob and Zacharias Stocker, who both had children in the 1690s, were siblings or cousins, no time was left to find the answer. All findings were entered into a separate database and prepared for temple work. RECOMMENDATIONS The older parish records of Willisau might contain the answers to questions 5 and 6. The marriage record of Hans Jacob Stocker should be sought in or near Hermersweiler prior to 1681. It was previously recommended to continue searching the Sulz Lutheran parish records for the Staehli line. The Sulz parish records are available on microfilm back to 1595 - a potential of almost 100 years of records. Also an area search around Wörth for the first marriage between the ancestor Anna Barbara [no maiden name known] and Hans Heinrich Bartl [typo: should be Hans Friedrich Bartl] continues as a recommendation for a follow-up project. It has been a pleasure to research your ancestry. We look forward to continuing, according to your instructions." 5. The following are three emails dated 17 and 18 Mar 2015 from Noel Stoker A. Noel remarks: "I asked Trudy to return to the original Feldberg records and confirm Jacob's citizenship, that being Kottwill, Switzerland. I felt stymied in that we have been unable to connect Jacob to Kottwill ... I wanted a photocopy and translation of the parish entry for the marriage of Hans Jacob Stocker and Margaretha Schinbein. She did this and more. She said I believe it was an R and not a K, making it Rotwill instead of Kotwill. Milan was asked to give his opinion and he was equivocal but granted that it could be an R. Searching ancient Switzerland I discovered a Rotwill which I believe is the current Rottweil in Baden Germany. In the 1600's and for several centuries, before and after, it was part of Switzerland. When Napoleon conquered the area in 1803 the alignment changed and it was ceded to Germany. It is about 50 miles from Baden and borders the Black Forest. The other note is that Trudy included the priest's notation of Rotwill being in the Canton of Bern. Milan said the priest's note said it was near Bern. Trudy has suggested the Swiss census records of the time might reveal where Jacob Stocker and Hans Stocker, as well as Christian came from. I have asked her to do that. This is a work in progress." B. This email are the results of his above-referenced request to the German researcher Trudy Schenk 1. 1649: on 25 Jan. was buried Hans Stockher, the carpenter at Gennenbach, he was ill 9 days. 2. 1656: on Sunday Sexagesimo was married Heinrich Stocker from Gennenbach a son of the late Hans Stocker who was a citizen and Carpenter with Ursula a daughter of the late Hans Müller formerly a citizen and cabinet maker at Veldtberg. Because of poverty they held the wedding feast without invited guests at home. 3. 1650 birth of twins: On the date as shown above were christened Hans and Maria, children of Christen Stocker at Gennenbach and of Margretha Wackerin. Godparents were: for the boy Wilhelm Rosskopf mayor, Friedlin Schinbein, Hans Stäuber and Catharin Dattlerin the wife of Claus Schuemacher, Godparents were: for the girl Hans Klucker, Hans Stifel, Claus Blöchlin and Anna Hollsteinin the wife of Hans Wiber all are from Veldtberg. 4. 1652 a birth: On the feast day Maria Magdalena which is the 22nd. of July was christened Johan Fridelin. The parents: Caspar Stocker from Gennenbach a carpenter & Margaretha Godparents: Fridlin Schinbein, Hans Glucker town official, Catharina the wife of Clauss Schuemacher, Anna wife of the old Hans Weyler. 5. 1656: on Dom: Reminiscere was christened Elisabeth an illig. child, the mother is Verona a daughter of Hans Stocker who is the late citizen and carpenter at Gennenbach. She gave the name of Peter Hertzogen a former soldier from Glanschi. ?not sure on this spelling as the father of the child. Godparents: Hans Jacob Häflin at Gennenbach. Matthias Nüssiglich at Veldtberg, the young Hans Hächner a soldier who is at Lippurg, Elisabeth single dau. of Georg Stiffel. 6. 1656 # 12 & 13 on 6 past. trinity was christened Adam and Eva twins. Parents: Christen Stockher carpenter at Gennenbach and Margaretha. Godparents: Adams godmother and godfather were Eustasius Wollenweber the pastor, Herr Wilhelm Rosskopf mayor, Uhlin Holenwayer a court councilor, and Anna Hans Wibers wife. Godparents: Eva's godmother and godfather were Hand Glücker the judge, Claus Glöckler, Hans Jacob Hälfflin and Anna Georg Stiffels wife at Gennenbach. 7. 1657 # 21, Johannes a child of Hanss Heinrich Stockher in the village Gennenbach and of Ursula Müller. Born on the 6th of August chr. on the 10th. Godparents: Hanss Hächler a solder in Lipperg, Hanss, son in law of Jerg Stiffel the strawroofer, Jacob, Gregory Keyser the weavers son and Magdalena Hans Gluckhers daughter the midwife. 8. 1661 # 1 on 21 January were married Hans Jacob, legit. son of Jacob Stockher a citizen at Rotwill the district of Bern and Margretha the dau of the late Fridlin Schinbein who had been a citizen and judge in Veldberg. 9. 1661 # 4 On 4 November was married Hans Stockher at Gennenbach and Elisabeth dau. of Baltzer Dinger." C. The email is from Price and Associates with their researcher Milan's response to Trudy's work. Price and Associates posed the requests and Milan responded as follows: "1) Check marriage on 21 Jan 1661 for complete marriage entry of Hans Jacob Stockher and Margretha Shinbein. The marriage record was looked up. The entry translates as follows (as close to the original as possible to avoid misinterpretation): "1661, [entry] 1 On the 21st January Hanns Jacob, of Jacob Stockher, citizen of Kotwill [or Rotwill] of the Bern area, [his] legitimate son, and Margreht, [of] Fridlin Schinbein, deceased citizen and judge in Veldberg, [his] left-behind daughter. While Veldberg is the old spelling of Feldberg, the town where the parish is located, the case is not as clear with the Swiss town of origin. As already known from previous research, there is a Kottwil (in the record spelled Kotwill or maybe Rotwill), located in the Canton of Luzern. Kottwil is located about 8 miles east from the borders of the Canton Bern, where the ancestral town of the Stocker/Stockher family is located according to the entry. Luzern was never part of the Canton Bern. If Rotwill is a close spelling for the desired town of origin, then there is a problem. In the whole of Switzerland there is no Rotwill nor a Rottwil, or any similar spelling. The three closest spellings are Rottenswil (Canton Aargau, Lutherans in Lunkhofen), Rottetswil (Canton Luzern, Lutherans in Emmen), and Rutzenwil (Canton St. Gallen, no Lutheran parish nearby, but Catholics in Bernhardszell). There is no such town in the Canton of Bern. Since the parish priests states "Berner Gebiet" (Bern area), it must not be always refer to the Canton Bern, but could also refer to the area near the large city of Bern. Kottwil is actually closer to the city Luzern (16 miles) than to Bern (34 miles), but Bern is a much bigger city than Luzern. One way to come closer to an answer about this problem is to research all parish records for of the Bern and Luzern areas that have a town in its borders that start with a K or an R, and end with -wil or -will. 2. Check 1652 birth on 22 July (Maria Magdalena feast day?) for Johan Friedelin, parents Caspar Stocker and Margaretha. Is it possible this is the birth for Johan Friedrich, son of Christian Stocker and Margaretha? Johan Friedrich's birth/christening has never been found although we know he was the son of Christian of Feldberg and born about 1653/4. Are there other entries for a Caspar and Margaretha Stocker as a separate couple in this parish or could the clerk have misrecorded the father's given name and it should have been Christian? Is Friedelin interchangeable with Friedrich? The baptismal entry of Johan Fridelin Stocker was searched for. It translates as follows: "[Entry] 12 On the feast day of Maria Magdalene, on 22 July [1652] Was baptized Johan Fridelin; Parents are Caspar Stocker of Gennenbach, [a] carpenter, [and] Margaretha; Witnesses are Fridlin Schinbein; Hans Glucker, a senator [= lay judge]; Catharina, wife of Claus Schumacher; Anna, wife of Hans Wejber. The baptismal entries between 1645 and 1657 were checked for any Stocker and Stockher. There were two entries found for children of a Christen Stocker, a twin couple in 1650 (Hans and Maria) and a twin couple in 1655 (Adam and Eva). There was no other entry for a child of Caspar Stocker/Stockher. By comparing the godparents/witnesses between these two entries mentioned and the translated entry above, several names appear again and again: Fridlin Schinbein, Hans Glucker, Anna, wife of Hans Wejber [also spelled Weiber]. Afterward the marriage records were checked. There was no Caspar Stocker found in the Feldberg parish records that married, but also no Christen Stocker. Only in 1659 shows up a Zacharias, son of Christen Stockher. According to the Omnastik-Lexicon (http://www.onomastik.com/Vornamen- Lexikon/name_255_Friedel.html) the spelling Friedel (no Fridelin found there) is the short form of Friedrich. Because of this it is possible that the Johan Fridelin found in 1652 could be the ancestor searched for. A copy of the entry is attached (Doc.02). 3) 3. Check the following marriages of Zacharias Stocker to see if his father is listed as Christian (alive or deceased?): Zacharias and Maria Keller on 27 Jun 1659; Zacharias and Katherine Schum on 4 Feb 1667. The two marriage entries translate as follows: "[Year] 1659 On 27th June, Zachar. [of] Christi Stockher of Gennenbach, [his] legitimate son, and Maria [of] Hanns Keller, a former butcher in Ober Eggenheim [today Obereggenen], his left-behind daughter." "[Year 1667], [entry] 21 Zacharias Stockher, a carpenter and widower of the local Gennenbach, and Katharina Schum from Switzerland, of the Weil Olchamer [?] area, was a maid servant at the squire and bailiff of Badenweiler; [married on] the same day and hour as the preceding entry [= 4 April, last part written in Latin]." It looks like that the groom in both entries are the very same individuals. The 2nd marriage does not list a father for the groom since he was a widower, which corresponds with the recording rule established by the Lutheran and Catholic Churches." 6. The following are emails from Rose Green, a descendant and expert German researcher concerning the question of Rottweil vs. Kottweil as discussed elsewhere in a separate note: 29 Apr 2015: "I've had a look at your questions and the relevant scans, and here are my thoughts. 1. The location that Jacob Stockher came from in the marriage record of Hanns Jacob Stockher and Margreht Schinbein in 1661. It really looks like an R to me. I ran it past my husband [a Professor of German], who reads a lot of early handwriting, and it looked like an R to him, too. It looks like Rottweil, which is about 78 km from Feldberg, in Germany. I don't know if that's too far or not. It's of course NOT in Bern. However, I googled "Rottweil, Switzerland" and found this in the wiki entry of this place: "In 1463 the city joined the Swiss Confederacy, with which it was closely aligned for several centuries. Both its status as free city and its alliance with the Swiss Confederacy were eventually lost with the conquest of the region by Napoleon in 1803." So...maybe because it was geographically near Bern (er, relatively--it's in the middle of Wuerttemberg today), that's why the Bern reference. Anyway, I kept googling. I found a really interesting web site about doing genealogy in Rottweil (the territory; apparently it was a territory and not just a city?). One of the things on it is several military inspections lists (Musterungrollen). The one in 1675 lists a Melchior Stochker in the village of Deisslingen. It looks like the records for Rottweil (city) and Rottweil (city, Altstadt, or old city) start as follows: Rottweil: b: 1564ff; m: 1744ff; d: 1626ff. Rottweil Altstadt: b: 1601ff; m: 1601ff; d: 1601ff. So, if this is the case, it could be possible to go a little before the 30 Years War (though not with marriages, it seems.) The whole site (in English) is at http://www.reichsstadt-rottweil.de/index.htm. 2. Christian vs. Casspar Stocker. This is a much harder one. Thus far you have found: - Casspar and Margaretha Stocker 1. Johann Friedlin (godparents Friedlin Schinbein, Hans Gluecker, Catharina wife of Claus Schumacher, and Anna, wife of Hans Wejber - Christen Stocker and ?? (Maria dau of Hanns Keller?) 1. Hans (1650) 2. Maria (1650) 3. Adam (1655) 4. Eva (1655) 5. Zacharias (md 1659 and 1667) I am not sure what the practice with names is in this area. I know that in Czech records, you see Maria/Magdalena/Margaretha used somewhat interchangeably. But those records are also in a mix between German/Czech/Latin, so you expect some name variations to occur. I am not sure if that happens in this area, though. Casspar and Christian are two very different (and in my opinion, NOT interchangeable) names. I think that either a) it's really the same person, but the difference is due to a clerical error, or b) they are different but closely related individuals, perhaps brothers, hence the same godparents every time. It's hard to say without a larger sample of data, which I admit is difficult when you are talking 1660s. 3. Yes, I would assume that the Zacharias Stockers in both of these marriages are one and the same person. I would also assume that in the case of the first marriage, his father was still living. I don't know that it's a written rule anywhere, but in practice, the default is that no mention = living, and specific mention of death = dead." 29 Apr 2015 email from myself: "One additional thing. The Feldberg records are IGI extracted and fully available by with a batch search. A search therein seems to indicate that the entity Casper only showed up in that one instance with no other records. I believe this adds support to a possible clerical problem." 30 Apr 2015 email from Rose: "Well, I can certainly see it being possible. I'm completely okay with Friedrich = Friedlin. If nothing else turns up, you could always record the father as Christian or Casspar? You could also check the daughters of Hanns Keller to see if he has a Maria and a Margaretha, or just one (or I suppose it could be a second marriage as well, though). Also interesting would be if you found the birth of Casspar and Christian Stocker -- but therein lies the problem, that you haven't been able to find them--right? [KP Note: Yes, that is correct as of this date.] 30 Apr 2015 email from Noel Stoker: " I felt impressed several weeks ago to have Trudy return to the Feldberg Parish records and revisit "Kottwil", obtain photo copies, and make english translations that I could view. She returned with the pronouncement that she believed strongly now that K was R. I then asked Milan to confirm her findings. He elucidated on a number of her findings but was equivocal about the R vs K. (He had already extracted Stockers from Kottwil, Ettiswill, and Sursee in Canton Lucern.) He indicated that the priest's note regarding Bern was "near", not district of. I searched the web and found the history of Rottweil as you indicated. Because it was part of the ancient Swiss Confederacy before Napoleon I thought we had discovered Jacob's residence, and perhaps we have. Trudy attempted to dissuade me from the thought, however, opining that it was a Catholic domain and our people were Lutherans. She felt we should search for Stocker in villages nearer Bern. She discovered a number of Stocker families in that time frame in these villages. I also asked a dear friend who married a Swiss girl if they would view the images and render an opinion. They felt it was an R but encouraged me to search in areas nearer Bern. He even submitted it to their German researcher in SLC who was somewhat equivocal. I had made contact with a Rene' Dirzon at the FHC in Lucerne and asked her as to her opinion. She indicated that we were stuck with Kottwill and tired of my subsequent request. So I am pleased that you and your husband, both expert in early German script, both think it is an R. This gives validation to my impressions to revisit the 1661 entry of Hans Jacob Stockher. I am also pleased that you found the web site you referenced. I am not sure how to use it. How do I access individual parish records? What does ff mean. Elementary questions I am certain. I have had a DNA genealogist tell me that I should find that common ancestor in the 12th or 13th generation. Christian is the 11th, so we are close and hence my drive to find his father. Hans Stocker the first to appear in the Feldberg records died in 1649. Several of his children are identified in those records. What is the link between Hans and Jacob? Or between Christian and Jacob?" 30 Apr 2015 email from Rose: "I don't think you can actually view the parish records on that web site but at least we know when they start. I didn't look to see if they'd been microfilmed or not. The one thing I did see was the Musterungrollen that someone had copied out, confirming that there was at least one Stocker living there in 1675. But it sounds like there were Stockers in quite a few locations in that area." 1 May 2015 email from Rose following up on the previous email: "That web site doesn't have them; it just says for which years they exist. But they are available on microfilm ... Yes, as you said, they are Catholic, which does make you wonder, since the Stokers seemed to be specifically not. The Catholic records start in 1564, the Evangelical Lutheran not until 1806, and there are no Reformed records at all. 1 May 2015 email from Noel: "Joh Michael Stocker [the American immigrant] is said to be of German Protestant descent. (Our Stoker Family Histories, 1731-1881, Volume 11, pg. 131.) The records we have extracted from Preuschdorf, Alsace-Lorraine were designated as Lutheran. Once they arrived here they identified with Evangelical and Reformed depending on the availability of pastors, who were often itinerant. In Frederick the earliest church records are listed under the name "Monocasie Church" (Monocracy). Apparently this was a combination of three groups, German Reformed, Lutheran, and "the Brethren, a Moravian sect. Joh Michael rented a 100 acres in Carollton Manor and was listed under Moravian families. The records we have of his children were from the Evangelical Lutheran Church founded in 1738. Religious affiliation of our family anciently was fluid but primarily Lutheran. Prior to Martin Luther they were all Catholic, as you know, and then for a hundred years there seemed to be movement in and out of the two religions. It is not inconceivable to me that Jacob in Rottweil was Catholic and his son Hans Jacob identified with the Lutherans in Feldberg. The Stockers we have found prior to Feldberg are primarily Lutheran and may have migrated to Alsace-Lorraine for persecution reasons in part. Most of the Stockers seemed to have left the areas by the late 1600's. Stockers were prominent in Switzerland from the 1300's. A prominent patrician family settled in the city of Schaffhausen in 1442-3. From there they migrated to Lucerne, Berne, and Zurich and elsewhere. (This information comes from a document held by the Library of Congress, entitled Historisch-Biographesches Leukonder Scheig, Vol. 6, pp 561-2-3, dated April 1931. I have poor, translated copies." 1 May 2015: "Well, I do think that all Protestants have more in common with each other than they do Catholics. I've seen them even share a church book, carefully noting which ones are Reformed. But at some point, I suppose all of the Protestants no matter what their stripe had to convert from Catholicism. Also, there were some laws that said that people had to follow the religion of the local lord, regardless of their personal convictions. So that could be one influencing factor. Here is what Wikipedia has to say on it with regards to Germany: "The Peace of Augsburg in 1555 changed the legal situation from a uniform Roman Catholic area to the Cuius regio, eius religio principle, which defined freedom of religion for territorial princes, while their subjects had to follow them. Individuals had at best the possibility to move into an area where their confession was practiced. Depending on the reigning prince, there could exist a certain tolerance towards other denominations, but not as a common law." Also to consider is the fact that the religion of your local ruling prince or whatever could change. If he had no issue and the title went to a distant relative, he might be a different religion. The people could go to bed Lutheran one night and wake up Catholic. Or vice versa. I admit the Rottweil angle appeals to be greatly, EXCEPT the religion part does feel like a point of concern. Still, it can't hurt to have a look?" 4 June 2015: "I was able to look at the Rottweil film last night. It starts in 1601 and goes late into the 1700s at least. Figuring that a marriage record of 1661 would mean a birth around 1640, I started from the beginning (1601) and scanned every page for any mention of Stocker in any spelling. I went up to about 1665, and found zero mention in any of the birth entries. I checked the confirmations in the 1600s as well as the marriages to about 1665 and deaths as well. I did not find one single reference to any Stockers. (Although it did look like there were people there who were originally from Switzerland.) My best guess is that if this Jacob Stocker was a citizen of Rottweil, he became one after his children | Stocker, Christian (I2743)
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| 5056 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is no proof of the existence of this person except that there was a Poul Jensen who was a witness at the marriage of Else Jensdatter Morch. That Paul was a resident of Sonderhaa. See her notes for more information. CHRISTENING: 1. No christening record exists with the other children on FHL film 53030 (Ydby Church Records). | Jensen, Paul (I362)
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| 5057 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is no proof yet that this individual was a child of Robert Brown except proximity in an immigration record and in Bounty Act land per the notes quoted below. 2. 27 Feb 2005 website http://indianasocietysar.org/browmatt.html. The site notes: information provided by Paul Revere DAR Chapter, Muncie, Indiana. Most of the information was given to me on June 3, 2004 by Mary Ann Bumgarner 3. FHL book 975.7W2r, 1968, "A Compilation of the Original Lists of Protestant Immigrants to South Carolina 1763-1773," comp. by Janie Revill. This book states: "The immigrants listed in this volume were protestant refugees from Europe who came to South Carolina on the encouragement of an Act passed by the General Assembly of the Colony on July 25, 1761 called the Bounty Act. A copy of the Act is not available. It is referred to in the published Statues of So. Carolina... It was a broadening of earlier immigration laws, for the special benefit of these religious refugees. Applicants had to have certificates showing that they were protestants and entitled to receive the benefits allowed by the new Bounty Act, which was evidently modified and renewed from time to time." The dates are for approval of bounties and not necessarily date of immigration even though each group appears to have recently arrived and each listed group was probably from the same ship. The following names are included: Council Journal, 33, page 145, meeting of 28 May, 1767, these two names together in sequence: Andrew Adair - 450 acres. [No known relation.] Alice Adair - 100 acres. [No known relation.] Council Journal, 33, pages 150-157, meeting of 28 May 1767, these four names together in sequence: Mary Adair Alex'dr Adair James Adair Margaret Adair Council Journal, 33, pages 229-234, meeting of 1 Sept. 1767, these seven names together in sequence: Robert Brown - 100 acres. Robert Brown, Sen'r - 300 acres. Sarah Brown - 100 acres. Mary Brown - 100 acres. Roger Brown - 100 acres. [Father of Rebecca Brown who marries Thomas Adair?] John Brown - 100 acres. Rebekah Brown - 100 acres. [Most likely Roger's sister later married to Mr. Bishop.] | Brown, Elizabeth (I3771)
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| 5058 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is no proof yet that this individual was a child of Robert Brown except proximity in an immigration record and in Bounty Act land per the notes quoted below. 2. 27 Feb 2005 website http://indianasocietysar.org/browmatt.html. The site notes: information provided by Paul Revere DAR Chapter, Muncie, Indiana. Most of the information was given to me on June 3, 2004 by Mary Ann Bumgarner 3. FHL book 975.7W2r, 1968, "A Compilation of the Original Lists of Protestant Immigrants to South Carolina 1763-1773," comp. by Janie Revill. This book states: "The immigrants listed in this volume were protestant refugees from Europe who came to South Carolina on the encouragement of an Act passed by the General Assembly of the Colony on July 25, 1761 called the Bounty Act. A copy of the Act is not available. It is referred to in the published Statues of So. Carolina... It was a broadening of earlier immigration laws, for the special benefit of these religious refugees. Applicants had to have certificates showing that they were protestants and entitled to receive the benefits allowed by the new Bounty Act, which was evidently modified and renewed from time to time." The dates are for approval of bounties and not necessarily date of immigration even though each group appears to have recently arrived and each listed group was probably from the same ship. The following names are included: Council Journal, 33, page 145, meeting of 28 May, 1767, these two names together in sequence: Andrew Adair - 450 acres. [No known relation.] Alice Adair - 100 acres. [No known relation.] Council Journal, 33, pages 150-157, meeting of 28 May 1767, these four names together in sequence: Mary Adair Alex'dr Adair James Adair Margaret Adair Council Journal, 33, pages 229-234, meeting of 1 Sept. 1767, these seven names together in sequence: Robert Brown - 100 acres. Robert Brown, Sen'r - 300 acres. Sarah Brown - 100 acres. Mary Brown - 100 acres. Roger Brown - 100 acres. [Father of Rebecca Brown who marries Thomas Adair?] John Brown - 100 acres. Rebekah Brown - 100 acres. [Most likely Roger's sister later married to Mr. Bishop.] 4. The following private manuscript is not found at the FHL library or on the Internet as of 23 Sep 2012: "The Descendants of John Brown, Sr." Compiler address: 8106 Shoreridge Terr, Indianapolis, IN 46236. Some entries on the Internet make reference to it, but I believe it to be mainly a private compilation; however, I did find an online recapitulation of the manuscript data as prepared in 2001 by Richard M. Leland III (from a copy he received directly from Mr. Volnoggle in Apr 2000) at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lelandva/jbrow004.htm#id5421 and entitled appropriately as "The Descendants of John Brown Sr." (accessed 23 Sep 2012). The data purports John Brown Sr. to be the original immigrant whereas I have Robert Brown. No documentation or contemporary quotes showing the presence of John or how the family grouping is derived are given for these two compilers choice of "John Brown Sr." as the original ancestor. The only sources given are James Volnoggle's compilation. The data for the first generation: "John1 Brown Sr; married Nancy (Ann) ( - ? - ) before 1738 in Ireland; died circa 1803 at Laurens Co., SC. Children of John1 Brown Sr. and Nancy (Ann) ( - ? - ) were as follows: + 2 i. Roger Brown, born circa 1734 at Antrim, Ireland; married Jeaney ( - ? - ); married Rebecca (Bexey) Wallace. + 3 ii. Jane 2 Brown, born circa 1738 at Antrim Co., Ireland; married James Dorroh. iii. William2 Brown; born circa 1741, at Belfast, Antrim Co., Ireland (other sources have born at County Wexford, Ireland, in 1748); married Frances ( - ? - ) or Sarah. William has a land patent in Union Co. Indiana on September 8th, 1812, coming from Wayne Co., on September 16th, 1819 he bought more land in Union Co., Indiana. + 4 iv. David Brown, born circa 1744 at Belfast, Antrim Co., Ireland; married Letitia Cruce. v. Samuel Brown; born circa 1748 at County Wexford, Ireland. + 5 vi. Matthew Brown, born 1752 at County Wexford, Ireland; married Jane Jones. + 6 vii. John Brown, born 7 Apr 1755 at Belfast, Antrim Co., Ireland; married Sarah Weeks." The website downlines for each of the individuals above who have a + sign. I do not have Jane, David, or William listed; they do not have several of the children I list. | Brown, William (I3770)
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| 5059 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is no proof yet that this individual was a child of Robert Brown except proximity in an immigration record and in Bounty Act land per the notes quoted below. 2. 27 Feb 2005 website http://indianasocietysar.org/browmatt.html. The site notes: information provided by Paul Revere DAR Chapter, Muncie, Indiana. Most of the information was given to me on June 3, 2004 by Mary Ann Bumgarner 3. FHL book 975.7W2r, 1968, "A Compilation of the Original Lists of Protestant Immigrants to South Carolina 1763-1773," comp. by Janie Revill. This book states: "The immigrants listed in this volume were protestant refugees from Europe who came to South Carolina on the encouragement of an Act passed by the General Assembly of the Colony on July 25, 1761 called the Bounty Act. A copy of the Act is not available. It is referred to in the published Statues of So. Carolina... It was a broadening of earlier immigration laws, for the special benefit of these religious refugees. Applicants had to have certificates showing that they were protestants and entitled to receive the benefits allowed by the new Bounty Act, which was evidently modified and renewed from time to time." The dates are for approval of bounties and not necessarily date of immigration even though each group appears to have recently arrived and each listed group was probably from the same ship. The following names are included: Council Journal, 33, page 145, meeting of 28 May, 1767, these two names together in sequence: Andrew Adair - 450 acres. [No known relation.] Alice Adair - 100 acres. [No known relation.] Council Journal, 33, pages 150-157, meeting of 28 May 1767, these four names together in sequence: Mary Adair Alex'dr Adair James Adair Margaret Adair Council Journal, 33, pages 229-234, meeting of 1 Sept. 1767, these seven names together in sequence: Robert Brown - 100 acres. Robert Brown, Sen'r - 300 acres. Sarah Brown - 100 acres. Mary Brown - 100 acres. Roger Brown - 100 acres. [Father of Rebecca Brown who marries Thomas Adair?] John Brown - 100 acres. Rebekah Brown - 100 acres. [Most likely Roger's sister later married to Mr. Bishop.] | Brown, Mary (I3769)
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| 5060 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is no proof yet that this individual was a child of Robert Brown except proximity in an immigration record and in Bounty Act land per the notes quoted below. 2. 27 Feb 2005 website http://indianasocietysar.org/browmatt.html. The site notes: information provided by Paul Revere DAR Chapter, Muncie, Indiana. Most of the information was given to me on June 3, 2004 by Mary Ann Bumgarner 3. FHL book 975.7W2r, 1968, "A Compilation of the Original Lists of Protestant Immigrants to South Carolina 1763-1773," comp. by Janie Revill. This book states: "The immigrants listed in this volume were protestant refugees from Europe who came to South Carolina on the encouragement of an Act passed by the General Assembly of the Colony on July 25, 1761 called the Bounty Act. A copy of the Act is not available. It is referred to in the published Statues of So. Carolina... It was a broadening of earlier immigration laws, for the special benefit of these religious refugees. Applicants had to have certificates showing that they were protestants and entitled to receive the benefits allowed by the new Bounty Act, which was evidently modified and renewed from time to time." The dates are for approval of bounties and not necessarily date of immigration even though each group appears to have recently arrived and each listed group was probably from the same ship. The following names are included: Council Journal, 33, page 145, meeting of 28 May, 1767, these two names together in sequence: Andrew Adair - 450 acres. [No known relation.] Alice Adair - 100 acres. [No known relation.] Council Journal, 33, pages 150-157, meeting of 28 May 1767, these four names together in sequence: Mary Adair Alex'dr Adair James Adair Margaret Adair Council Journal, 33, pages 229-234, meeting of 1 Sept. 1767, these seven names together in sequence: Robert Brown - 100 acres. Robert Brown, Sen'r - 300 acres. Sarah Brown - 100 acres. Mary Brown - 100 acres. Roger Brown - 100 acres. [Father of Rebecca Brown who marries Thomas Adair?] John Brown - 100 acres. Rebekah Brown - 100 acres. [Most likely Roger's sister later married to Mr. Bishop.] 4. Censuses: 1790 US: Laurens Co., South Carolina, p. 11, dated 1791, brothers Roger and Matthew are next door neighbors. Nine doors away is Aaron Harlen whose son Samuel marries Matthew Brown's daughter Nancy. Also within a dozen neighbors are John and William Brown who are most likely brothers of Roger and Mathew Brown: Matthew Brown, 1-2-4-0-0 Rodger Brown, 1-2-7-0-0 John Brown, 1-2-5-0-0 William Brown, 1-0-1-0-0 5. The following private manuscript is not found at the FHL library or on the Internet as of 23 Sep 2012: "The Descendants of John Brown, Sr." Compiler address: 8106 Shoreridge Terr, Indianapolis, IN 46236. Some entries on the Internet make reference to it, but I believe it to be mainly a private compilation; however, I did find an online recapitulation of the manuscript data as prepared in 2001 by Richard M. Leland III (from a copy he received directly from Mr. Volnoggle in Apr 2000) at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lelandva/jbrow004.htm#id5421 and entitled appropriately as "The Descendants of John Brown Sr." (accessed 23 Sep 2012). The data purports John Brown Sr. to be the original immigrant whereas I have Robert Brown. No documentation or contemporary quotes showing the presence of John or how the family grouping is derived are given for these two compilers choice of "John Brown Sr." as the original ancestor. The only sources given are James Volnoggle's compilation. The data for the first generation: "John1 Brown Sr; married Nancy (Ann) ( - ? - ) before 1738 in Ireland; died circa 1803 at Laurens Co., SC. Children of John1 Brown Sr. and Nancy (Ann) ( - ? - ) were as follows: + 2 i. Roger Brown, born circa 1734 at Antrim, Ireland; married Jeaney ( - ? - ); married Rebecca (Bexey) Wallace. + 3 ii. Jane 2 Brown, born circa 1738 at Antrim Co., Ireland; married James Dorroh. iii. William2 Brown; born circa 1741, at Belfast, Antrim Co., Ireland (other sources have born at County Wexford, Ireland, in 1748); married Frances ( - ? - ) or Sarah. William has a land patent in Union Co. Indiana on September 8th, 1812, coming from Wayne Co., on September 16th, 1819 he bought more land in Union Co., Indiana. + 4 iv. David Brown, born circa 1744 at Belfast, Antrim Co., Ireland; married Letitia Cruce. v. Samuel Brown; born circa 1748 at County Wexford, Ireland. + 5 vi. Matthew Brown, born 1752 at County Wexford, Ireland; married Jane Jones. + 6 vii. John Brown, born 7 Apr 1755 at Belfast, Antrim Co., Ireland; married Sarah Weeks." The website downlines for each of the individuals above who have a + sign. I do not have Jane, David, or William listed; they do not have several of the children I list. The compilers continue with the next generation of John (b. 1755) as follows: John2 Brown (John1); born 7 Apr 1755 at Belfast, Antrim Co., Ireland; married Sarah Weeks, daughter of John Weeks, 20 Mar 1777 at Laurens Co., SC; died 16 Dec 1826 at Hanna's Creek, Harmony Twp., Union Co, IN, at age 71; his estate was probated 8 Jan 1826; . Private horseman in the Militia from South Carolina during the Revolutionary War. He emigrated on 11 Apr 1817; Moved to Union County, Indiana from Franklin County, Indiana. He left a will on 29 Jan 1821 at Will Book A-1 1821-1828, Union Co., IN; Mentioned in entry are: Son William...the farm whereon I now live containing 86 acres. NE QTR 32-11-2w Son Mathew Wife Sarah Children: Thomas, John, Mathew, William, Mary Langston, Rebecca Nabore, Jane Carevile, Sarah Norris & Pamela Burnside. Wife and friend James Snowden as exts. Further info on will: According to John's will, his son William Brown was given the farm where John was living, which contained about 86 acres, lying in the NE 1/4 of Section 35, T 11 of Range 2 W. He gave his son Matthew Scott Brown the family Bible and other books. $18 worth of items were bequeathed to Matthew Brown and some items were bequeathed to William Brown. Also listed was a sale bill of the property, John Brown, William Brown, Isaac Brown, John B. Brown purchased articles at this sale. Dated March 17, 1827. Children of John2 Brown and Sarah Weeks were as follows: + 43 i. Mary 3 Brown, born 10 Jan 1778 at Charleston, Laurens Co, SC; married (Hiram) Bennett Langston. + 44 ii. Col. Thomas Brown, born 30 May 1780 at Ninety-Six District, Laurens Co, SC; married Elizabeth Glidewell. + 45 iii. Rebecca Brown, born 14 Apr 1782 at Ninety-Six District, Laurens Co, SC; married Abraham Nabors. + 46 iv. Jane Brown, born 7 Oct 1784 at Ninety-Six District, Laurens Co, SC; married John Corwile; married James Carwile. 47 v. John Brown; born 23 Aug 1787 at Ninety-Six District, Laurens Co, SC; married Elizabeth ( - ? - ); died 5 Aug 1841 at Union Co., IN, at age 53. He emigrated on 29 Oct 1818; moved to Union Co., IN from Laurens Co., SC. + 48 vi. Sarah Brown, born 18 May 1790 at Ninety-Six District, Laurens Co., SC; married George I. Norris. + 49 vii. Matthew Scott Brown, born 1 Feb 1793 at Ninety-Six District, Laurens Co., SC; married Mary Ann Hanna; married Mary (Sarah) Dunkins. + 50 viii. Pamelia Brown, born 15 Sep 1795 at Ninety-Six District, Laurens Co., SC; married Edgehill Burnside. + 51 ix. William Brown, born 30 Oct 1798 at Laurens Co., SC; married Sarah Brown." | Brown, John (I3768)
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| 5061 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is no proof yet that this individual was a child of Robert Brown except proximity in an immigration record and in Bounty Act land per the notes quoted below. 2. 27 Feb 2005 website http://indianasocietysar.org/browmatt.html. The site notes: information provided by Paul Revere DAR Chapter, Muncie, Indiana. Most of the information was given to me on June 3, 2004 by Mary Ann Bumgarner 3. FHL book 975.7W2r, 1968, "A Compilation of the Original Lists of Protestant Immigrants to South Carolina 1763-1773," comp. by Janie Revill. This book states: "The immigrants listed in this volume were protestant refugees from Europe who came to South Carolina on the encouragement of an Act passed by the General Assembly of the Colony on July 25, 1761 called the Bounty Act. A copy of the Act is not available. It is referred to in the published Statues of So. Carolina... It was a broadening of earlier immigration laws, for the special benefit of these religious refugees. Applicants had to have certificates showing that they were protestants and entitled to receive the benefits allowed by the new Bounty Act, which was evidently modified and renewed from time to time." The dates are for approval of bounties and not necessarily date of immigration even though each group appears to have recently arrived and each listed group was probably from the same ship. The following names are included: Council Journal, 33, page 145, meeting of 28 May, 1767, these two names together in sequence: Andrew Adair - 450 acres. [No known relation.] Alice Adair - 100 acres. [No known relation.] Council Journal, 33, pages 150-157, meeting of 28 May 1767, these four names together in sequence: Mary Adair Alex'dr Adair James Adair Margaret Adair Council Journal, 33, pages 229-234, meeting of 1 Sept. 1767, these seven names together in sequence: Robert Brown - 100 acres. Robert Brown, Sen'r - 300 acres. Sarah Brown - 100 acres. Mary Brown - 100 acres. Roger Brown - 100 acres. [Father of Rebecca Brown who marries Thomas Adair?] John Brown - 100 acres. Rebekah Brown - 100 acres. [Most likely Roger's sister later married to Mr. Bishop.] | Brown, Sarah (I3767)
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| 5062 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is no proof yet that this individual was a child of Robert Brown except proximity in an immigration record and in Bounty Act land per the notes quoted below. 2. 27 Feb 2005 website http://indianasocietysar.org/browmatt.html. The site notes: information provided by Paul Revere DAR Chapter, Muncie, Indiana. Most of the information was given to me on June 3, 2004 by Mary Ann Bumgarner 3. FHL book 975.7W2r, 1968, "A Compilation of the Original Lists of Protestant Immigrants to South Carolina 1763-1773," comp. by Janie Revill. This book states: "The immigrants listed in this volume were protestant refugees from Europe who came to South Carolina on the encouragement of an Act passed by the General Assembly of the Colony on July 25, 1761 called the Bounty Act. A copy of the Act is not available. It is referred to in the published Statues of So. Carolina... It was a broadening of earlier immigration laws, for the special benefit of these religious refugees. Applicants had to have certificates showing that they were protestants and entitled to receive the benefits allowed by the new Bounty Act, which was evidently modified and renewed from time to time." The dates are for approval of bounties and not necessarily date of immigration even though each group appears to have recently arrived and each listed group was probably from the same ship. The following names are included: Council Journal, 33, page 145, meeting of 28 May, 1767, these two names together in sequence: Andrew Adair - 450 acres. [No known relation.] Alice Adair - 100 acres. [No known relation.] Council Journal, 33, pages 150-157, meeting of 28 May 1767, these four names together in sequence: Mary Adair Alex'dr Adair James Adair Margaret Adair Council Journal, 33, pages 229-234, meeting of 1 Sept. 1767, these seven names together in sequence: Robert Brown - 100 acres. Robert Brown, Sen'r - 300 acres. Sarah Brown - 100 acres. Mary Brown - 100 acres. Roger Brown - 100 acres. [Father of Rebecca Brown who marries Thomas Adair?] John Brown - 100 acres. Rebekah Brown - 100 acres. [Most likely Roger's sister later married to Mr. Bishop.] | Brown, Robert (I3766)
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| 5063 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is no proof yet that this individual's name was Ann except proximity in an immigration record and in Bounty Act land per the notes quoted below. 2. 27 Feb 2005 website http://indianasocietysar.org/browmatt.html. The site notes: information provided by Paul Revere DAR Chapter, Muncie, Indiana. Most of the information was given to me on June 3, 2004 by Mary Ann Bumgarner 3. FHL book 975.7W2r, 1968, "A Compilation of the Original Lists of Protestant Immigrants to South Carolina 1763-1773," comp. by Janie Revill. This book states: "The immigrants listed in this volume were protestant refugees from Europe who came to South Carolina on the encouragement of an Act passed by the General Assembly of the Colony on July 25, 1761 called the Bounty Act. A copy of the Act is not available. It is referred to in the published Statues of So. Carolina... It was a broadening of earlier immigration laws, for the special benefit of these religious refugees. Applicants had to have certificates showing that they were protestants and entitled to receive the benefits allowed by the new Bounty Act, which was evidently modified and renewed from time to time." The dates are for approval of bounties and not necessarily date of immigration even though each group appears to have recently arrived and each listed group was probably from the same ship. The following names are included: Council Journal, 33, page 145, meeting of 28 May, 1767, these two names together in sequence: Andrew Adair - 450 acres. [No known relation.] Alice Adair - 100 acres. [No known relation.] Council Journal, 33, pages 150-157, meeting of 28 May 1767, these four names together in sequence: Mary Adair Alex'dr Adair James Adair Margaret Adair Council Journal, 33, pages 229-234, meeting of 1 Sept. 1767, these seven names together in sequence: Robert Brown - 100 acres. Robert Brown, Sen'r - 300 acres. Sarah Brown - 100 acres. Mary Brown - 100 acres. Roger Brown - 100 acres. [Father of Rebecca Brown who marries Thomas Adair?] John Brown - 100 acres. Rebekah Brown - 100 acres. [Most likely Roger's sister later married to Mr. Bishop.] | Ann (I2089)
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| 5064 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is no sureness whether or not the following individuals are related to James and Joseph Adair. With perhaps the exception of John Adair, the proximity to the time and location of Joseph's marriage Sep 1746 in the Holy Trinity Church may indicate but not guarantee a relationship between them: a. MARRIAGE: April 1746, Jean Adare to Hugh Romage. b. Marriage 29 Apr 1747: Margaret Adare and Henry Burnet. c. Marriage 24 Mar 1760: Robert Adair and Isabel Douglas. d. Marriage 6 Jan 1785: John Adair and Mary Hews. MARRIAGE: 1. Old Swedes Church, 606 Church Street, Wilmington, DE 19801; constructed in 1698-1699. This is a place of history. Trinity Parish Web site 2. "The Records of Holy Trinity (Old Swedes) Church, Wilmington, Del., from 1697 to 1773 and Catalogue and Errata of the Records of Holy Trinity (Old Swedes) Church, Wilmington, Del., from 1697-1773, translated from the Original Swedish by Horace Burr, with an Abstract of the English Records from 1773 to 1810." Reprinted, two volumes in one, for Clearfield Company, Inc. by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, MD, 1999. | Adair, Robert (I4606)
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| 5065 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is no sureness whether or not the following individuals are related to James and Joseph Adair. With perhaps the exception of John Adair, the proximity to the time and location of Joseph's marriage Sep 1746 in the Holy Trinity Church may indicate but not guarantee a relationship between them: a. MARRIAGE: April 1746, Jean Adare to Hugh Romage. b. Marriage 29 Apr 1747: Margaret Adare and Henry Burnet. c. Marriage 24 Mar 1760: Robert Adair and Isabel Douglas. d. Marriage 6 Jan 1785: John Adair and Mary Hews. MARRIAGE: 1. Old Swedes Church, 606 Church Street, Wilmington, DE 19801; Constructed in 1698-1699. This is a place of history. Trinity Parish Web site 2. "The Records of Holy Trinity (Old Swedes) Church, Wilmington, Del., from 1697 to 1773 and Catalogue and Errata of the Records of Holy Trinity (Old Swedes) Church, Wilmington, Del., from 1697-1773, translated from the Original Swedish by Horace Burr, with an Abstract of the English Records from 1773 to 1810." Reprinted, two volumes in one, for Clearfield Company, Inc. by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, MD, 1999. | Adair, John (I4605)
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| 5066 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is no sureness whether or not the following individuals are related to James and Joseph Adair. With perhaps the exception of John Adair, the proximity to the time and location of Joseph's marriage Sep 1746 in the Holy Trinity Church may indicate but not guarantee a relationship between them: a. MARRIAGE: April 1746, Jean Adare to Hugh Romage. b. Marriage 29 Apr 1747: Margaret Adare and Henry Burnet. c. Marriage 24 Mar 1760: Robert Adair and Isabel Douglas. d. Marriage 6 Jan 1785: John Adair and Mary Hews. MARRIAGE: 1. Old Swedes Church, 606 Church Street, Wilmington, DE 19801; Constructed in 1698-1699. This is a place of history. Trinity Parish Web site 2. "The Records of Holy Trinity (Old Swedes) Church, Wilmington, Del., from 1697 to 1773 and Catalogue and Errata of the Records of Holy Trinity (Old Swedes) Church, Wilmington, Del., from 1697-1773, translated from the Original Swedish by Horace Burr, with an Abstract of the English Records from 1773 to 1810." Reprinted, two volumes in one, for Clearfield Company, Inc. by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, MD, 1999. | Adare, Margaret (I404)
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| 5067 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is no sureness whether or not the following individuals are related to James and Joseph Adair. With perhaps the exception of John Adair, the proximity to the time and location of Joseph's marriage Sep 1746 in the Holy Trinity Church may indicate but not guarantee a relationship between them; however, the name Romage (Ramage) is closely aligned with Joseph Adair making Jean Adare most likely a sister: a. MARRIAGE: April 1746, Jean Adare to Hugh Romage. b. Marriage 29 Apr 1747: Margaret Adare and Henry Burnet. c. Marriage 24 Mar 1760: Robert Adair and Isabel Douglas. d. Marriage 6 Jan 1785: John Adair and Mary Hews. MARRIAGE: 1. Old Swedes Church, 606 Church Street, Wilmington, DE 19801; Constructed in 1698-1699. This is a place of history. Trinity Parish Web site 2. The marriage of Joseph Adair (Eldare) and Sarah Lafferty (Luffirty) seemed to was recorded in Holy Trinity (Old Swedes) Church in Wilmington, DE. Their first son, James was born in 1747 according to his tombstone in Indiana. Old Swedes Church, 606 Church Street, Wilmington, DE 19801; Constructed in 1698-1699. This is a place of history. Trinity Parish Web site 3. "The Records of Holy Trinity (Old Swedes) Church, Wilmington, Del., from 1697 to 1773 and Catalogue and Errata of the Records of Holy Trinity (Old Swedes) Church, Wilmington, Del., from 1697-1773, translated from the Original Swedish by Horace Burr, with an Abstract of the English Records from 1773 to 1810." Reprinted, two volumes in one, for Clearfield Company, Inc. by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, MD, 1999. 3. On file is a photo of the following marriage record. The record is significant since it is the oldest record we have of our Adair family in America. It is the marriage record of Joseph Adare (Adair) and Sarah Lafferty in Sep 1747 in the Old Swede's Church in Wilmington, Delaware. It is strongly presumed (in my case: certain) that Joseph was the brother of James Adair who married Eleanor. Together they are in the early records of Laurens Co., SC in the 1760s. James is the father to Joseph who marries Sarah ___ who in turn have Thomas Adair who marries Rebecca Brown. Joseph in the marriage record is shortly thereafter in Pennsylvania in the early 1850's then to South Carolina. The Adair family may have come to America then through Delaware. There is no provable link thus far overseas. The name Lafferty is interesting because using LDS temple records from the St. George Temple in Utah, James above probably had a son named Lafferty Adair in honor evidently of his sister-in-law. The records show Samuel Jefferson Adair, grandson to Joseph (son of James above), doing a baptism by proxy for the dead 14 Feb 1877. Samuel lists himself as a grand nephew in the baptismal record making Lafferty the son of the original James and ties the two original Laurens Co. brothers Joseph and James by the use of the name Lafferty both as surname and prename. If you also look at the top middle of the page, you will find a Jane Adair marrying Hugh Ramage. The surname Ramage also occurs in Laurens Co., SC in colonial times associated with the Adairs; however, I have not yet researched a Hugh Ramage specifically but so far find no information on him. We cannot yet connect Jane Adair, but there is a chance she could be a sister - but that is speculation thus far. The church has website at http://www.oldswedes.org/ It has a very interesting story and is still in service since colonial days. Cousin Jett Hanna reports: "The church was one of the few in the area that serviced new immigrants-mostly "Scotch Irish" at the time-because it's members were technically dissenters like the Presbyterians since they were Swedish protestants. They got along just fine with Presbyterians who were mostly passing through to somewhere else." The source is at LDS FHL SLC was "Robert Adair 1770-1845 (An Adair Family History); In Memory of Oscar Lee Adair (1899-1975)," compiled by Shirley Brown Adair, 309 Dartbrook, Rockwall, Texas, 75087, (214) 771-2662. Copyright March 1995. FHL 929.273 Ad11as. Rebecca Garrett Patterson is the researcher who found the record but date not stated nor her address or email. | Adare, Jean (I3764)
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| 5068 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is not much yet to work with for this Samuel and he is included as a son of Isaac only because of his proximity to probable brother Isaac in Franklin, Warren, Ohio in 1820 and 1830 censuses. I did not find anything for Samuel in my survey of FHL book holdings on Warren co. He shows up so far only in the early censuses and a land record. 2. Censuses: Censuses: 1820 US: Franklin Twp., Warren, Ohio, 7 Aug 1820, p. 7 (bro. Isaac is on p. 11): S. Winer, males: 3<10, 1@10-15, 1@16-25; female: 1@26-44. (The age of the oldest male, presumably Samuel, looks off considering the age of the younger children.) 1830 US: Franklin, Warren, Ohio, p. 17 (brother Isaac is 3 pages away): Samuel Winner, males: 1@5-9, 1@40-49; females: 1<5, 2@5-9, 1@30-39, 1@50-59. [The oldest female could perhaps be the Samuel's mother-in-law.] (William Ashton, son of Hannah Johnson, sister of Naomi who married Samuel's father Isaac, is listed on previous page. 1840 US: Cannot find in Warren Co. Perhaps he died or moved away. 3. Don Thomas "On 10 June Samuel Winner of Warren county purchased 80.76 acres of land "west of the Greater Miami" in Montgomery County - that's just north of Franklin - and was patented by BLM. On 1 Nov. 1830 Isaac Winner of Waren county purchasd 80.44 acres "West of the Greater Miami" in Montgomery county. I didn't follow up on Samuel, but Isaac died in 1832 and I find no record of this land, nor did I find any record of it being sold prior to his death." 4. Ancestry.com's "Ohio Land Records": "Samuel Winner. Land Office: Cincinnati. Document Number: 654. Total Acres: 80.76. Signature: Yes. Canceled Document: No. Issue Date: 1 Jun 1826. Metes and Bounds: No. Statutory Reference: 3 Stat. 566. Multiple Warantee Names: No. Act or Treaty: April 24, 1820. Multiple Patentee Names: No Entry. Classification: Sale-Cash Entries Land Description: 1, W½NE, WEST of The GREAT MIAMI, No 6 N, 4 E, 30." 5. It is speculated that brother Isaac and his wife may both died from a cholera epidemic in the area in 1832 to 1833. Perhaps Samuel did so also. I also checked adjoining Montgomery County for mentions of Winner and found none except for a civil action involving Isaac Winner of Warren co. as an administrator for a third-party probate. ACTION: 1. Check tax lists for Warren Co. for Samuel. | Winner, Samuel (I3104)
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| 5069 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There is some disagreement about John. I believe he was single because of his probated will in which he does not name any wife or children, but gives his property to many nieces and nephews (surnamed Lackey and Henson - note that most of the other related families became Mormon and left Ohio in the late 1830s to Missouri). Note also that some do not even show him as a son of Peter and Christina Wampler; however, he was buried with them in Ohio and he and his sister Nancy are living together in the 1850 census. The alternative (which I believe to be incorrect) John Graybill others sometime use is generally shown b. 1 Feb 1780 in Maryland; married first in 1805 to Rachel Duncan, in Montgomery County, Virginia; after her death, he married Idress Hines, in Wythe County, VA., 1816; family of thirteen children; moved to Monroe County, Indiana. 2. Censuses: 1790 US: Morgan District, 16th Company, Wilkes Co., NC. Listed as Peter Crapeal with 1 male over 16 yrs., 4 males under 16 yrs., & 4 females of all ages. (John is probably 1 of 4 males under 16). (Can only count for 3 of the 4 of the females). 1800 US: Ashe Co., NC, compiled by Paul W. Gregory & Samuel E. Sebastian. (John is probably the 1 male 16-26). 1840 US: Madison Twp., Jackson Co., OH (needs rechecking): John Graybill, 1 male age 50-60 and 1 male 80-90. The older male is undoubtedly Peter Sr., John's father. 1850 US: Madison Twp., Jackson, Ohio, p. 243b, 29 Jul 1850, dwelling #242: John Grabill, 63, farmer, $2,000, VA. Nancy Henson, 65, MD. 1860 US: So far I have been unsuccessful in finding John in Franklin, Madison, and Bloomfield Townships of Jackson County. He should be in the vicinity. He is not living with the man to whom he wills his land in Franklin Twp. in exchange for old age care and funeral expenses. 3. Other information from a submission found at Rootsweb.com Worldconnect database ":480580": A. This John never married. This John, Peter Sr.'s, son, is the one who went to New Orleans to bring back Peter Sr.'s daughter Nancy Mary (Graybeal) Henson, after Nancy's husband, William Henson died in N.O. John brought Nancy back to Jackson Co., OH. (See also notes on William Henson for further information). B. References mentioned: a. The book "A Partial Genealogy Record of the Graybeal Family of Ashe Co., NC," 1992 Edition, by William S. Graybeal. Pg. 1. b. The book, "Heritage of Ashe Co., NC"; pgs. 263-272. [Kerry's note: I reviewed at FHL in Salt Lake City - FHL book 975.6835 D3h V.1.] c. The book "A Partial Record of the Graybeal Family of Ashe Co., NC," 1960, by Henry Clay Graybeal. d. The book "Annals of Tazewell Co., VA," by John Newton Harman, Sr. Updated in 1975, by Netti Schreiner-Yantis. Vols. I & II. Pg. 428-431. e. 1825 Tax List of Jackson Co., OH by Auditor of OH. Book, "Early Ohio Tax Records," compiled by Esther Weygandt Powell, pg. 203. C. Deed: Graybill, John to: Graybill, Henry 1809-02-07, 50.00 a., South side of Big Horse Creek/waters of N. Fork New River, $100, Rcd: 1809-11, Bk: D, p. 104. Witness: Michael Graybeal, Jacob May. 4. Website http://files.usgwarchives.net/nc/ashe/deeds/deedsabs.txt accessed 14 Dec 2008: "Ashe County, NC - Deeds - Abstracts of selected deeds." This file was contributed for use in the USGenWeb Archives by Kyle R. Graybeal krgrebiel@verizon.net, 37 Spring Lake Drive, Stafford, VA 22554. Revised 9 October 2001. This file contains abstracts of selected deeds from Ashe County, North Carolina Land records, mostly involving Graybeal family members. The information contained herein does not constitute the sum total of deeds in the Ashe County records involving Graybeal individuals. There are a few incomplete fields in some records especially in acreage, land description & witness names. This means that I have not copied them, not that the information is missing from the court records. The file now includes more deeds and has been corrected for errors dealing with land grants appearing in the original file. In the original file, the entry date and the date the deed was signed were reversed. This new file corrects that problem. Information sorted in date order, which is yyyy-mm-dd. Grantee & Grantor names are [last], [first]. Witness names are [first], [last]. NFNR = North Fork of New River. Mn and Vn means Deed Books M new and V new respectively. Information in [ ] inserted by me and correct to the best of my knowledge. Information in ( ) added for clarification. Price paid, proven date, and registered date not included to save space. I have this information on most deeds in case it is desired. Some compass directions are indicated by N, S, etc., rather spelled out. Deeds for state grants did not require witnesses' signatures. The indication that a particular person signed with an "x" is not consistent from record to record in this transcription. {Kerry's note: I have refined the list so as to cut it off after whom I think may be the first generation after John Peter Graybill and Christina Wampler; see that more complete list with John Peter Graybill - this partial list are for those only including the name of John Graybill. I believe this John probably left NC for Ohio with those of his family who went there as early as ca 1810, so that unless he remained longer in the area before going to Ohio, the later Johns on this list are probably relatives of the same name who were of this area, i.e. his nephew John (1800-1892), son of his brother Henry, grandnephew John (1826-1920), grandson again of the same Henry, or grandnephew John (1837-1928), grandson again of the same Henry}: May, Abraham TO: Graybeal, John 50 a.; Signed: 1805-08-01; South side of Horse Creek. Book: D, 110; Witness: John Nall, Henry Graybeal. State (NC) TO: Graybeal, John 50 a., Grant: ???, Ent: 1827-01-29; Signed: 1828-12-15; On the Big Laurel; Book: E, 402. Graybeal, John TO: Maxwell, Sid 2 a.; Signed: 1835-11-07; Book: Y, 227. State (NC) TO: Graybeal, John ? a., Grant: 2448, Ent: 1835-10-22; Signed: 1838-12-20; Book: P, 563. Graybeal, Peter TO: Graybeal, David & John 188 a.; Signed: 1839; Land held in trust for Susan Hauck & her children. Book: Mn, 425; Witness: R. Gentry. Graybeal, Peter TO: Graybeal, John 300 a.; Signed: 1839-02-20; Old Fields Creek/Branch S. Fork of N. River/Orig conveyed by T Calloway; Book: Mn, 026; Witness: Absolom Faw. State (NC) TO: Graybeal, John 25 a., Grant: 2610, Ent: 1828-04-04; Signed: 1840-11-26; On the right hand fork of the Big Branch. Book: O, 102. Graybeal, John TO: Maxwell, Sid 50 a.; Signed: 1841-02-31; Book: O, 10; Witness: Henry Graybeal, Larkin Maxwell. Graybeal, Henry TO: Maxwell, Sid 42 a.; Signed: 1841-07-31; Book: O, 25; Witness: John Graybeal, Larkin Maxwell. Graybeal, John (x) TO: Graybeal, Eli 20 a.; Signed: 1843-03-21; Book: P, 188. Graybeal, John et al TO: Graybeal, Eli 40 a.; Signed: 1844-02-08; Laurel Fork of NFNR, p/o 50a. grant to Henry in 1822. Book: O, 472; Witness: Jeremiah Osborn, David Graybeal (This deed contains the signatures of all of Henry's children including signatures of his daughters' spouses). Graybeal, Peter TO: Graybeal, John ? a.; Signed: 1844-04-27; Book: P, 229. State (NC) TO: Graybeal, John 50 a., Grant: 4210, Ent: 1844-09-26; Signed: 1846-12-02; North Fork of New River, Robert King; Book: P, 566. Colvard, Payton TO: Graybeal, John 40 a.; Signed: 1848-09-15; Book: P, 230. Ashley, Wm TO: Graybeal, John 125 a.; Signed: 1848-10-12; Book: S, 337. Worth & Thomas TO: Graybeal, John 205 a.; Signed: 1851-12-04; Book: S, 269. Graybeal, John TO: Graybeal, Alfred 100 a.; Signed: 1852-07-02; Book: S, 328. Graybeal, Peter [Jr] TO: Graybeal, John ? a.; Signed: 1852-10-09; Book: S, 098. State (NC) TO: Graybeal, John (x) 50 a., Grant: 6016, Ent: 1853-09-13; Signed: 1853-10-17; N. Phoenix Mt.; Book: Vn, 353. Graybeal, Peter TO: Graybeal, John 25 a.; Signed: 1855-06-06; Book: Y, 217. Graybeal, John TO: Graybeal, David 150 a.; Signed: 1856-02-25; Book: S, 342 Graybeal, John TO: His wife 0 a.; Signed: 1862-10-20; Letter from Camp during Civil War/directing her to sell a slave; Book: Vn, 123. Graybeal, John TO: Perkins, Johnson 0 a.; Signed: 1862-10-28; 1 male slave aged about 11 years named Elias. Book: Vn, 122; Witness: D. Dickson. Phillips, J. H. TO: Graybeal, Calvin 50 a.; Signed: 1866-06-30; Big Horse Creek; Book: Vn, 250; Witness: David (x) Graybeal, P. J. Hardin. Graybeal, John TO: Graybeal, Eli 0 a.; Signed: 1868-05-08; Pwr of Attorney to collect debts owed John Graybeal. Book: Vn, 334. (John, resident of Miami County, Kansas at the time) Graybeal, John TO: Hauck, Susannah 188 a; Signed: 1874-10-01; Land from Peter Graybeal held in trust for Children, on Old Field Ck; Book: Y, 116; Witness: Quincy Neal. Graybeal, John TO: Spencer, Wm. 70 a.; Signed: 1875-01-19; John Graybeal of Pueblo Terr., Co./ 70a. on Buffalo Creek. Book: Y, 068. Graybeal, John TO: Eller, James 350 a.; Signed: 1877-11-15; John Graybeal of Pueblo Terr., Co., 2 tracts on Horse Creek. Book: Z, 126. 5. FHL book 977.1 R40p "Early Ohio Tax Records," comp. by Esther Weygandt Powell (1985, Baltimore), has 1816-1825 records including "Jackson County, Ohio, 1825 Tax List, Auditor of State of Ohio": John Graybill. No other Graybills or any Coons, Ellers, McDaniels, or Stokers shown on this particular list. He does not show up on the same list for 1819. 6. Per the book "Southern Ohio Taxpayers in the 1820s: Gallia and Jackson Counties," comp. by Marilyn Adams, Heritage Research, Atlanta, 1979, contain the following names arranged by name, county, land location by range-town-section if given, township, page number of either land tax or chattel tax. Note that these lists are important in that they list personal property owners even if they were living with another related family, which gives more information than censuses of the same time period which only lists head of households: Graybill, John - Jackson County: 1826, 17-7-4, Madison Twp., p. 31 1828, same location, Madison Twp., p. 35 Stoker, David - Jackson County: 1826, chattels Madison Twp., p. 35 1828, chattels Bloomfield Twp., p. 4 Stoker, John - Jackson County: 1828, chattels Bloomfield Twp., p. 3 Stoker, Michael - Jackson County: 1826, chattels Bloomfield Twp., p. 5 1828, chattels Bloomfield Twp., p. 4 Stoker, John W. - Jackson County: 1826, chattels Bloomfield Twp., p. 5 BIRTH: 1. Per tombstone and 1850 census. Tombstone gives an approximate 1784 birth and 1850 census gives an approximate 1787. MARRIAGE: 1. Judging from no mention of wife or children in his will, he probably was unmarried. DEATH: 1. Here is a transcript of John's Will from Rootsweb.com Worldconnect database ":480580" note that a lot of the named people lived in Franklin, Madison, and Bloomfield Townships and one in Jackson County in the 1860 census. Reference is probably Will Book "A" of Jackson County, OH, p. 437: "In the name of the benevolent father of all. I, John Grabill of Jackson County, Ohio do make and publish this my last will and testament. Item 1st I give and devise to my worthy friend John Grimes his heirs and assign the farm on which he now resides containing Eighty Eight Acres more or less situated in Franklin Township Jackson County Ohio. The said John Grayham agreeing to maintain me during my lifetime and to pay all my funeral Expenses after I am dead Item 2sec. I give and bequeath to John Lackey his heirs the ballance of A Note I now hold on him. Item 3rd I give to my friend Larkin Henson the ballance of a Note I hold on him Item 4th I give to Jugurtha Lackey the ballance of a note I hold on him Item 5th to James Henson one hundred dollars Item 6th I give to Elijah Henson two hundred and fifty Dollars Item 7th I give to Aaron Henson three hundred Dollars in money Item 8th I give to John Henson one hundred Dollars in money Item 9th to Levisie Reed[,] Nancy Andrews[,] Hester Ann Davis[,] Joicy Corn & Barbra Holiday one hundred Dollars to be divided Equaly amoungst the five Item 10th I give to Floyd Henson one hundred Dollars Item 11th I give to Anderson Lackey[,] Andrew J Lackey & Cleaveland Lackey three hundred Dollars to be divided equally between the three Item 12th I give to Wellington Henson fifty Dollars Item 13th I give to Eden Henson my best Bed and Stead And lastly I hereby Appoint Aaron McLaughlin my sole Executor of this my last will and Testament hereby revoking all former wills by me madeIn Witness Whereof I hereunto set my hand and Seal this Oct 25th Eighteen hundred and Sixty five Signed and sealed by said John Graybill as and for John Graybill seal his last Will and Testament in the presence and in the presence of each other and at his request have hereunto Subscribed our names as witness. Job Buckly, Leander Cherington, - - Buckly" 2. Website http://files.usgwarchives.net/nc/ashe/misc/grybel04.txt accessed 20 Dec 2009: "Letter, John Graybeal to Dona Graybeal." Letter from John Graybeal of Shell Creek, Tennessee to his grand-daughter Dona Graybeal of Fig, North Carolina. This letter was found among the papers and Letters of Dona Graybeal and her son W. Thomas Graybal, of Emory, Virginia. Dona Graybeal was married to my great-uncle Winfield A. Graybeal, a Methodist Minister. John Graybeal, son of Andrew Graybeal, and grandson of Henry Graybeal of Ashe County, North Carolina, wrote the letter to his granddaughter Dona Graybeal, daughter of William Asbury Graybeal and Rebecca Graybeal. Both sides of Dona's family trace back to Henry Graybeal. Notes: The original letter was written in pencil on tablet paper with no punctuation and paragraph breaks. Paragraph breaks have been inserted where it seemed logical to do so for clarity. Periods have also been added at the end of sentences. Spelling remains as it was interpreted except where indicated by [ ]. References to "Winny" are to Winfield A. Graybeal Dona's husband and son of David Melvin Graybeal and Mary Anne Jones. Transcribed by Kyle R. Graybeal kgraybeal@erols.com: "Shell Creek Ten Jan 26 1915 Dona we recv'd your letter was real glad to hear from you all. was glad you was having a good time & Doing some good in the caus of Religion there. Dont seam to be But little good Doing here. We have had some offel Bad weather this winter. the weather was the worst before Christmas i Ever saw. i think we got a litter from pa a few days ago Said Conly & wife had gone to New Mexico Lum has moved in bout 8 miles of us. i Recon Griggs preached a fine Sermon Sunday at Shell Creek We are having a fine day today 26 of Jan Well you asked me about the Graybeals. My father always told me they came from Penn to NC. My grandfather settled rite on the lands Elihu & your grandpa graybial lived. My granfathers name was Henry. Winnys grate granfathers name was David. he settled probably on the lands that Winnys granfather & Calvin graybeal lived on Hoss creek. the old man Petter settled near Jefferson, they Both maried Birkets My granmother graybeal was a Henson. ther was one them old graybeals Name was John he never was married. he fell Dead at a wood pile cuting wood. Ther was one Mike he went West long time ago they never could her from him after them Days. So that was all of the old graybeals. they was real Duch. My father always told me he couldent understand a word they would say when they talked in ther language though they could talk English all rite. i remember seeing all of them they wer Dunkards them days My grandfather was a Methodist Ex[h]orter a grate scriptonian i remember seeing my grandfather & old man Dav & Peter. My grandmother Died after i was a bot grown her name was Celia Well Dona i dont guess you can read this letter if you can you can almost Beat me so we hope you are all well and enjoying life. give Winny my Best respects and wishes and trust he may Do much good. Your grandma has had a Bad cold all this winter and holds rite on so we would glad to here from you all often. We remain your grandparents John Graybeal write soon" BURIAL: 1. Photos on file for tombstones in the Callaghan-Madison Furnace Cemetery. Found on the web at http://home.att.net/~anm7/calmadfurcem.html. It is reported that this graveyard was laid out in early days on the Callaghan farm in Madison Twp., Jackson Co. OH. It was later enlarged by adding a bit of land from an adjoining farm and from the old Madison Furnace Company farm. The cemetery is located near the settlement of Rempel. It has been reported by one individual that there may also be an earlier tombstone for Peter Graybill in this cemetery that reads "___ust 1842, aged 8_," but I have not yet been able to verify anything about this earlier stone. I also visited the cemetery in person Sep. 2006 to confirm the following tombstones readings. These stones were all in together: "Peter Graybill died May 1, 1848, Aged About 80y" (side by side with Christena) [Photo on file with me.] "Christena Wife of Peter Graybill Died Oct 10, 1844 Aged About 84 Yrs." (Side by side with Peter) [Photo on file with me.] "John Grabill Oct. 30, 1866 Aged About 82ys" [Photo on file with me.] Broken tombstone partially read "William Henson died Dec 1856 aged ?5 years" (the broken part is reported to have said Nancy Henson, wife of... Also the tombstone was quite weathered and the 6 on the 1856 was questionable and could have been a 3, 5, or 6.) "Nancy Wife of Larkin Henson was born June 15, 1809, Died Dec. 9, 1859" (Larkin was a son of William Henson and Nancy Graybill.) Two stones each saying "Infant son of Larkin and Nancy Henson" | Graybill, John (I3645)
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| 5070 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There seems to be a strong concentration of Stokoes in Hexham parish as found using an IGI batch search including some Isabels - several of whom may work. Additional work in building various Hexham Stokoe families needs to be done. Several parish records are incomplete at this timeframe and may not provide as a true encompassing search. MARRIAGE: 1. The marriage records for Haydon Bridge church (FHL film 991796): "29 May 1699, Michael Muis and Isabel Stokoe." | Stokoe, Isabel (I4724)
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| 5071 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There was Thomas Gardner, of Sherborne, Dorsetshire, England, who came to America in 1624 and settled in Salem, Mass. Any relation? Also there was a John S. Gardner, who came from England and settled at Hingham, Mass., in 1617; from him one line of descent is traced through his son Thomas and his wife Abigail Ellis; their son Obadiah and his wife Lois. Any relation? Most secondary sources note that no proven ancestry has been found Samuel Gardner. 2. FHL book 929.273 B233bd, "The Connecticut Barbers, A Genealogy of the Descendants of Thomas Barber of Windsor, Connecticut," 2nd Ed., Donald S. Barber: "John Barber, bapt. 24 Jul 1642 at Windsor, CT, d. 17 Jan 1711/12; md. (1) Windsor 2 Sep 1663 Bathsheba Coggin, b. probably Taunton, MA about 1645, d. Springfield, 1688, dau. of Thomas and Joan ___ Coggin of Taunton. Bathsheba was the sister of Mary Coggin who married John Barber's brother Samuel. John md. (2) 2 May 1689 Hannah (Gardner) Bancroft, widow of Thomas Bancroft, and probably dau. of Samuel Gardner of Hadley, MA. John lived in Windsor on the original homestead, which was left to him by his father. When he moved his family to Springfield, MA, in 1671, the Windsor home was transferred to his brother Samuel. John lived in Springfield from 1671 to 1684, during which time he served as Deacon in Christ Church in Springfield, and also as one of the Springfield Selectman. The year 1684 found the restless John and his family in Suffield, CT, where he remained for a time, after which he returned to finish his days in Springfield. (Sources: 1909 Barber Gen; Barbour Index; Barber-Morgan Bible; Early Coggins, English and American, by Geo. E. McCracken, in NEHGR, series 2, vol. 1; Lure of the Litchfield Hills; CT Hist. Soc.: LB Barbour Manuscripts.)" 3. One of the best summaries of this family is per the following Website accessed 25 Dec 2007 "Samuel and Joanna Gardner No substantive evidence has been found for the parents of Samuel Gardner, and those published claims of his parents that have been reviewed do not survive critical review of claimed dates, places and various relationships. The basic Gardner family information is from Genealogies of Hadley Families, by Lucius M. Boltwood (1905, reprinted Baltimore 1979), and other standard colonial New England sources. Samuel Gardner - b. 1615; d. Nov. 22, 1696, Hadley, Hampshire Co., MA. Samuel was an original proprietor of Hartford in 1640, was reportedly at Wethersfield, CT in 1641, and removed to Hadley, Hampshire Co., MA in 1663. He was said to be about age 81 at death. Married first say about 1640, probably at Hartford, Hartford Co., CT, and second about 1646 to Elizabeth (d. Jun. 21, 1676, Hadley, Hampshire Co., MA). Joanna - d. about 1646, possibly at Wethersfield, CT. Children of Samuel and Joanna Gardner: Samuel - d. Jan. 12, 1677, Hadley, Hampshire Co., MA. Never married. The settlement of his estate in 1677 states that Joanna and Sarah were his only sisters. John - d. Nov. 26, 1684, Hadley, Hampshire Co., MA. Married 1681 to Mehitable Hinsdale. John and Mehitable had no children. Joanna - d. Mar. 18, 1729, Hadley, Hampshire Co., MA. Married Feb. 3, 1680/1 at Hadley, Hampshire Co., MA to Nathaniel Warner (b. about 1655; d. Jan. 15, 1714, Hadley, Hampshire Co., MA), son of John Warner and Priscilla Symonds. A weaver, Nathaniel became freeman in 1683. Children of Joanna and Nathaniel Warner: Nathaniel did not marry; John; Daniel; Elizabeth married Samuel Pease; and Israel. Sarah - b. say about 1646, CT. Married John Preston. Children of Samuel and Elizabeth Gardner Hannah - b. about 1647. One source states she was married in 1675 to Nathaniel Bancroft, but this has not been confirmed. [Kerry's note: mix-up with Thomas Bancroft?] Elizabeth - b. about 1648; d. Nov. 29, 1684, Hadley, Hampshire Co., MA. Married Nov. 21, 1664 to John Ingram (b. about 1642; d. Jun. 22, 1722, Hadley, Hampshire Co., MA). John became freeman in 1683 at Hadley, Hampshire Co., MA. Children of Elizabeth and John Ingram: John married Mehitable Dickinson; Jadiah; Samuel married Hannah Warner; Ebenezer died young; Nathaniel married Esther Smith; Jonathan did not marry; Elizabeth did not marry; and Abigail. Abigail - Married on Nov. 12, 1673 to Isaac Morgan (b. 1652; d. 1701). They resided at Springfield, MA and Enfield, CT. Mary - d. Jun. 6, 1662, probably at Wethersfield, CT. Martha - b. Jan. 8, 1664, Hadley, Hampshire Co., MA; d. Feb. 15, 1664, Hadley, Hampshire Co., MA. Nathaniel - d. Dec. 8, 1676, Hadley, Hampshire Co., MA. 4. Website 25 Dec 2007 http://kinnexions.com/kinnexions/proprietors.htm#gardner: "The Original Proprietors," by Miss Mary Talcott, as published in "The Memorial History of Hartford County Connecticut," edited by J. Hammond Trumbull (1886): "Samuel Gardiner (Gardner) was one of several persons to whom lots were granted in 1640, "if the Townsmen see noe just cause to the contrary, and they will accept of them vppon such tearmes as the Townsmen shall see cause to propose." He is said to have been at Wethersfield; removed, 1663, to Hadley. His wife's name was Elizabeth. [S]he d. June 21, 1676." 5. Listed on the obelisk in the Center Church Burial Ground, erected 1837: Samuel Gardner. There are several names of related ancestors on the same obelisk. | Gardner, Samuel (I1307)
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| 5072 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. There were two sons - one was last in England and the other in Southeast Asia. Julien married a Vietnamese woman for a wife. Irene Petersen has a photo of he and his wife. She also has his business card which reads: Julien Pakschwer. Ingēnieur-Mēcanicien, E.T.P. Service Materiel - Traction. Regie des Chemins de Fer du Vietnam, Saigon. The photo and card are from her mother, Catherine Werblovsky, who died in 1972. In the letter below, Catherine talks about Julien and his wife. 2. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. He indicates references by codes, which pertain to the original source and file held in his database, which I have not seen. I have no key to the sources except HL is Leonardo Herzenberg, HG is Gail Herzenberg, PC is probably Piltene Cemetery records, LA is probably Latvian Archives, FA is probably Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes), and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes); however, he lists the main researchers and their contributions in a lengthy report which I include in full in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg of this database. In regards to this individual: HL 049 shows Max Packschwer, b. Moscow, md. Laura. Sons: Julius, b. Moscow, last living Saigon, Indonesia; Siwa, b. Moscow, last living London, England. BIOGRAPHY: 1. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg: "An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's." Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg. The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family: "...[52] The two following sisters, Alice and Laura married two brothers Packscwer in Moscow, industrialists and bankers and each of the sisters has two sons. In all other respects the fate of the two sisters was fundamentally different. In those days the education of girls in the family was especially held back. From the older children of Abraham I know that they married without understanding the meaning of marriage. Even a word like "shirt" was taboo. It can be assumed that the brother that Alice married also did not know his condition, and brought syphilis into the marriage. In any case, he infected Alice, and as it was in those days, one did not speak of such things as long as possible. When Alice started showing brain disturbances she came to Riga to her mother into the sad home on the Schwimstrasse. [53] At that time I was living as a boarder with aunt Therese. Alice had gone into town on some errands, failed to return, and in the evening after a long search was found insane in the suburbs . She was very beautiful, and her mental decline was a pitiful sight. One could not keep her in the house. She came into a private insane sanatorium of Dr. Schonfeld near Riga, where she died some time later. I never knew what happened to the husband and the two pretty, but pale and sickly Children." LAURA came to Paris with her husband and the two children after the Soviet revolution. They apparently rescued everyone from the Russian collapse. When I last saw Laura in Kissingen in 1922 she was still very pretty, tall and slender. Her husband Pakschwer made an impression like a diplomat before 1914. The elder son was affected by social-tolstoyan ideas. He is an engineer, naturalized [54] french, but has been unemployed for along time. Laura and Max tried to arrange emigration to Bolivia for him, but when the visa had been obtained he had gone to Saigon, Indochina. The second son lived in London. Lastly Laura and Max moved from Paris to Vichy. I don't know what happened to them after the collapse of France and the anti-Semitic laws of the Petain government." 2. The following undated paper was written late 1969 in Nice, France by Catherine Werblovsky Olympieff (also known as Ekaterina Werblovskaya Olympieva) at the request of Patrick Landau through his aunt Alice Nikitina. Patrick's father, Vladimir Landau, even though he was Catherine's cousin, had less knowledge on the family then Catherine. Catherine was the granddaughter of Edouard and Rebecca Herzenberg. The letter was written a couple of years before Catherine's death after she entered into an assisted care facility in Nice. The paper was recently found among personal items previously gathered about 1969 by her daughter Irene Nadia de Lanskoy Petersen. Portions of the letter were written in three languages: English, French, and Russian. Irene, in transcribing the letter, notes that the letter was hard to follow and to make sense of. Irene's transcription dated 31 Jul 2007 with her notes added in [ ]. "What concerns the father and mother of our mother's: Mother's father: Edouard Ocipovitch Herzenberg [or Gerzenberg] Edward son of Joseph Herzenberg born: in Mitava [or Mittau] not far ___, Baltic Provinces - not far from Riga. He died at 76 years of age (had diabetes and malaria) from lung congestion after flu. His wife was his cousin. Rebecca Herzenberg also married a first cousin. I am not sure of the name of her father; she died in Moscow when I was 6 years old (70 years ago). [Death would be approximately 1899?] They were probably married in Mitawa and came to Moscow young, because all their children were born in Moscow. The eldest 1) Elizabeth 2) Sonja [or Sonia] (Sofia) mother of Manja or Mania who now lives in Moscow, who had a sister Nadja or Nadia who was born in Moscow. Sonia's husband was Adolf Schneider - son of Aaron Schneider - who had 3 more sons: Nicolas, Alexander, Serge and a daughter Elizabeth Schneider. She got married with Martin Behr (English nationality); they had two children and lived in Moscow. Mrs. Elizabeth Behr died in London (after the Russian Revolution she lived in France, later in England.) Her brother Adolf Schneider was a brother-in-law of our mother's of course.) [This is a repeat of the above.] The Behrs had 2 children. Elisabeth Behr died in London (probably her husband Martin Behr died before.) Mrs. Behr's daughter Olga died in London about a year ago [1968-69?], her brother George Behr still lives in London is married (has 1 daughter who is married too and has 2 boys, 8 and 7. So my mother Elisabeth was the eldest daughter of Edward and Rebecca Herzenberg born in Moscow like her sister Sonia, the next sister Flora born in Moscow. Flora, married Joseph Offenbacher, had one son Lotar (my first cousin as well as yours). She, her husband, and son died in Germany during the war of Hitler (son Lothar). [Irene notes that another family account says that Lothar committed suicide on account of the war.] [His father] Joseph Offenbacher had an older brother Vasily [William or Wilhelm] Offenbacher who married a cousin of our mother's - Fanny, daughter of Abra[ha]m (whom all children of Edward Herzenberg used to call Uncle Abraham.) He was the husband of Grandfather Edward Herzenberg's sister Theresa. His family name was also like all: Herzenberg. Theresa Herzenberg had many children - daughter Fanny, sons Ludwig, Harry, and 2 other sons and another daughter Sophia married to another Herzenberg (all those marriages were between cousins) who had three children, Robby (Robert) who lives in Sweden and 2 daughters Clara and Roberta (died in Riga - Bolshevik Revolution). [I am not sure if Clara and Roberta are correct for this family grouping.] After Flora Herzenberg, the 4th daughter was my Aunt Anjuta [Anna Herzenberg-Landau]. Then there was another one Genga (Eugenie) married Harry Taube from Riga - were killed by Hitler's army. She was the 5th daughter of Edward Herzenberg. The 6th was Lilja [Lilia] (1st wife of Uncle Max Landau - died in Davos, Switzerland from TB.) Then was another daughter Milja, died very young (she was the 7th daughter). The youngest daughter Tonya [Tonia] died in Moscow. Then there were two brothers, the oldest Ivan (John) married a French young girl from Mussidan, Dordogne, France. She was daughter of the Mayor of that town. Died in the north of Russia where - she was sent sick and was sent with her to Mourmansk (north of Russia). Uncle Vanja's [Vania, Ivan, John all same name wife Lydia died there [note her maiden name was Lydie Buisson]. Uncle Vanja died too in Bolshevik Revolution. Their 3 children: Micha (Michel) died probably in Moscow; his brother Andrei (Andre) Herzenberg and Suzanne Hindzee (Herzenberg) - 1st husband (French) Volant. She has a daughter in Toronto married in Toronto (Alja [or Alice Nikitina] knew her) who has two children, boy and girl. The father's family name is A. [Albert?] Statter - wife Lydie (Suzanne's daughter) - son Albert. [Irene's note: last known address was 33 Stonegate Road, Toronto, Canada, M8Y-1V8; phone 416-251-6295.] There was yet other families related to us through our mother's. It was a well known dentist. His name was Kovarsky. His wife was the cousin of our mother's. They had a lot of children - 3 brothers Misha (Michael), Leva (Leon), 2 daughters Choura (Alexandra). Chura who now is same age as Suzanne [Herzenberg Hindzee] - the only one alive. I forget the name of the eldest brother deceased. Manja (Mania) in Moscow knows more about that family. What was the name of the mother cousin of our mother's-probably it was yet another of the Herzenberg family. As Alja [Alice Nikitina] will be going to Moscow she will be able to find out more form Manja [Mania]. Then there was yet another family related to the wife of our grandfather through the husband or wife Idelson. There was a girl Lisa Idelson and her brother. I think that Manja must know something about them. They lived in Moscow. I used to go see them with my mother when I was about 8 or 10 years old. Now George Behr has written from London thanking me for my sympathy condolences on account of the death of his sister Olga Behr. She must have been older than 78 years. he thought that his aunt on his father's side, Nina Karlovna died in Moscow, as well as his cousin Leija, but I think it is relatives on the side of his father Bahr, and the cousin is perhaps of the Schneider family (it is possible that the cousin is still living). All these people lived in Moscow. Now what concerns the Packschwer family. The one that came to see you with the Vietnamese wife has passed away. His name was Julien Packschwer born in Vitebesk, Russia. He was 72. His younger brother Saveijn (Sahva) engineer in London named himself Packshaw, died in England 3 weeks before Julien, leaving a widow (2nd marriage) and 2 children. It was the death of his younger brother that caused reaction on Julien Packshwer. He died 3 weeks after him. He was found on a street in Nice, France with a cerebral hemorrhage-fell in the street. Police took him to the hospital St. Rock where he died at 19 hours in the evening and remained in a coma. His car 2 CV (small) stayed in the parking where he had left it. It was only his Vietnamese wife [Mado] returning from Saigon 1 month after his death that was able to retrieve that car from the parking. Yet another day or two, it would have been impounded. But as it was the widow herself then came. They did not charge her anything. But as the car was her husband's-she has to wait by inheritance law to be able to sell it and divide up in 4 parts to his children. The eldest son of another marriage Leon is an eye doctor in Paris, then 3 other children. Oldest Robert in Montreal, CA; another son in ___ was in the navy for 3 years. The oldest was in the Air force, married a girl from Morocco - they are going to have a child soon. The daughter Irene married, has a little boy, the husband is serving in the military; they live in Cayrons near Vence, France in the Packshwer house. The widow/mother Mado inherited ¼ of the sum, the children ¾ divided in 4 for each of the 4 children. Through a real estate in Vence, Julien's house of 1000 sq. meters is worth 18 million francs. If the children keep the house, they will in turn need to give on fourth of the cost to the widow who also has the right to half of his monthly pension of 30,000 francs. She came to see me day before yesterday and told me all these details. So here you have it-the relatives. The mother of the Packshwer father was 1st cousin of our mother's through the daughter of the sister of our grandfather Edward Herzenberg maiden name Theresa Herzenberg died in Nice, born I think in Mitawa [Mitau], Baltic Provinces. She was buried with her husband in Nice at the Caucade cemetery. Now I add what George Behr wrote from London that his wife Janet has seen Aunt Anjuta [Anna Herzenberg] in Monte Carlo, then he wrote about his cousin in Moscow who he thinks has passed away (he is going to find out about it from Manja-he asked their address in Monaco). She was the daughter of the oldest sister Polina Aronovna of his mother. Here is what concerns that family... [Balance of letter missing]." 3. Business records from the St. Petersburg, Russia, Archives per hired researcher of Konnor Petersen. Research dated Oct. 2022. It shows a business tie with Pakschwer, Adolf Werblowsky, and the Offenbacher, all relatives of ours: Records group 586, inventory 1, volume 3. Volume about rent by A.Z. Werblowsky and L.Ya. Gertsenberg of a land plot on Yuzhnyy-Oleniy Ostrov (Southern Deer Island) in Petrozavodsk uezd of Olonets province for exploitation of [gipot] deposits Pages 1, 1 back of the page, 2. Contract with Partnership of mineral mill plant “A.Z. Werblowsky and Co.” on the one hand and A.A. Davidov, M.S. Pakshver, S.I. Littauer – hereinafter “Syndicate”. - Partnership grants Syndicate the right for exploration and examination of heavy spar (berite) on Yuzhnyy Oleniy Ostrov of Petrozavodsk uezd of Olonetsk province before 31 December 1911. Pages 3, 3 back of the page, 4, 4 back of the page, 5. 1913. Journal of Olonetsk Province Administration. Case at the request of the peasants of Kurgenits and Lakhty villages of Kizhnsky society of Velikogubsky volost about giving for rent a part of a land plot at the southern part of Olenyy Ostrov to Bavarian subject F.D. Offenbacher for the purpose of limestone development for the period of 12 years. Page 6. Is blank. Pages 7, 8. Power of attorney from Flora Offenbacher Werblowsky and Gertsenberg for the right to buy and rent land. November 1, 2017 [sic 1917] Page 2 Pages 9, 9 back of the page, 10, 10 back of the page. 1907. Conditions of contract between peasants and Offenbacher. Pages 11, 11 back of the page, 12, 12 back of the page, 13. Contract between Werblowsky and Gertsenberg on the one hand and Ioakinf Trok, Alexandr Ivanovich Timofeev and Vladimir Ivanovich Timofeev that the latter mentioned would rent mineral deposits for them in Arkhangelsk, Vologda and Olonets provinces. Pages 14-35 (back of the pages included). Contract of Offenbacher and peasants. Page 36. Power of attorney for the name of Werblowsky from the wife of hereditary noble woman Ekaterina Adolfovna Gudzko (Kudzko). | Pakschwer, Max S. (I4137)
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| 5073 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This child can be surmised from the 1800 census. 2. Censuses: 1800 US: Minden, Montgomery, New York, p. 10 of 19, these two were next door neighbors and related by marriage, the columns are first male then female 0-9, 10-15, 16-25, 26-44, 45+: Francis Frederick: 1-0-1-1-0; 1-1-0-1-0 Thomas Van Horne: 2-1-0-1-0; 1-1-0-1-0 | Frederick (I935)
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| 5074 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This child can be surmised from the 1800 census. 2. Censuses: 1800 US: Minden, Montgomery, New York, p. 10 of 19, these two were next door neighbors and related by marriage, the columns are first male then female 0-9, 10-15, 16-25, 26-44, 45+: Francis Frederick: 1-0-1-1-0; 1-1-0-1-0 Thomas Van Horne: 2-1-0-1-0; 1-1-0-1-0 | Frederick (I273)
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| 5075 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This child is a result of LDS name extraction and is not a child that has been traditionally linked with this family; however, the parentage and location shows this to be the same family. Traditionally, this individually has been known as Mary Charlton, b. about 1810. The christening record shows Mary/Maria was actually born in 1800 which makes more sense since a marriage record exists for 1820 as noted below. 2. Censuses: 1841 Eng: District 8, Allendale, Northumberland, England, p. 5 of 14, place: Pathfoot, has the following family which appears to be this family due to the age of Maria, a marriage abt 1820, and a son named Charlton, and Mary being born in Bywell per 1851 census: Robert Pearson, 45, miner, b. in county. Mary, 40, b. in county. John, 20, miner, b. in county. Thomas, 15, b. in county. Robert, 15, b. in county. Charlton, male, 10, b. in county. William, 5, b. in county. Pricill, fem., 5, b. in county. Mary, 2, b. in county. 1851 Eng: District 2, Allendale, Northumberland, p. 32 of 37, #147, residence at Path Foot (Thomas Pearson, age 28 and his family live right next door): Robert Pearson, 57, gardener and innkeeper, b. Northumberland, Allendale. Mary, wife, 50, b. Northumberland, Bywell. Charlton, son, unmd., 21, lead ore miner, b. Northumberland, Allendale. William, son, unmd., 17, lead ore miner, b. Northumberland, Allendale. Mary, dau., 11, b. Northumberland, Allendale. 1861 Eng: District 7, Allendale, Northumberland, p. 14 of 32, #77, residence at Path Foot: Robert Pearson, 68, gardener and innkeeper, b. Northumberland, Allendale. Mary, wife, 61, b. Northumberland, Allendale. Mary, dau., 23, b. Northumberland, Allendale, dressmaker. Pricilla, gd. dau., 13, b. Northumberland, Allendale. [Probably dau. of Thomas Pearson since in the 1851 census, there is a dau. of this name aged 1.] 1871 Eng: Census showing husband in Allendale indicates he is a widower. CHRISTENING: 1. Online Ordinance Index has the following extracted record (Film printout 6905793, film source 825352, dates 1795-1840, batch C133391) which gives Maria Charlton, b. 27 Nov 1800 to Thomae Charlton and Elizabethae Ferguson and christened 29 Nov 1800 at Minsteracres Roman Catholic, Bywell Saint Peter, Northumberland, England. 2. From my visit to the Northumberland Records Office at Woodhorn on Jun 2009, I reviewed the book "Mieroplan Minsteracres Roman Catholic Chapel Baptisms 1795-1840" which had the following entry in latin: Maria Charlton, b. 27 Nov 1800, dau. of Thoma and Elisabetha Charlton, maiden name Ferguson, godmother: Catharina Newton. MARRIAGE: 1. Online Ordinance Index FHL film batch M109171, extracted marriage record: Robert Pearson and Mary Charlton, 7 Oct 1820 Hexham, Northumberland, England. DEATH: Ancestry.com's England FreeBMD Index notes an death entry first quarter of 1868 for a Mary Pearson, b. abt 1801, d. in Hexham District, Northumberland. Allendale is part of the Hexham District and so this is most likely this Mary Pearson. The index is designed to assist the British GRO office locate her death certificate for ordering purposes in vol. 10b, p. 175. | Charlton, Maria or Mary (I3608)
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| 5076 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This child is mentioned in the following biography of his mother from the book "Women of Faith and Fortitude"; unfortunately no name is given: "Harriet Cordelia Williams Beach Adair Brooks Lasell (Lasella) Birthdate: 10 Nov. 1829 Ridgeway, Orleans, N.Y. Death: 26 Nov. 1907 Burlington, Iowa Parents: Daniel Randall Williams, Mary Allard Ayers William Pioneer: 24 Sep. 1847 Daniel Spencer Wagon Train Spouse I: Rufus Beach, m. abt. 1846 Council Bluffs, Iowa, d. 1850. Children: Aaron William, 27 Oct. 1847 Spouse II: Wesley Adair, m. 8 Feb. 1849 Spouse III: Francis Wm. Brooks, m. 27 Apr. (Jun) 1851. Children: Caroline, 9 Feb 1852 James Wilson, 18 Dec 1853 Clara Arabella, 29 Feb 1856 Annis Copp, 14 Feb 1858 Charles Edward, 26 Jan 1860 Francis Wm, 27 Mar 1862 Harry Edward, 2 Mar 1865 Frederick Hesford, 24 Dec. 1866 Mary Peasley, 11 May 1869 Spouse IV: James Lasell, m. 4 Jun 1873. Children: Ruth Cordelia, 3 May 1876 Harriet Cordelia Willams was born in 1829 in the state of New York to Daniel and Mary Ayers Williams. She was the third of four children and the only one who survived infancy. The Williams family migrated to Grand Blanc, Michigan shortly after Cordelia's birth and her mother died there. Daniel Williams married for a 2nd time in 1838 to Electa Caroline Briggs, a widow with two young daughters. They had three children. Cordelia shouldered a great deal of the responsibility of caring for her father's second family. They were introduced to the Gospel and the entire family, including two step sisters, two half sisters and a half brother, joined the church and moved to Lee County, Iowa and then to Nauvoo, Illinois in 1843. At the age of seventeen Cordelia was camped with her family on the banks of the Des Moines River in Iowa. Opposite them, across the river, was another group of Saints including Rufus Beach, a wealthy tavern owner, his wife Laura Ann and two children. Harriet's father knew Rufus in Nauvoo, and even though Rufus was three times her age, a plural marriage was arranged between them. Their honeymoon began traveling with the Saints to Winter Quarters in 1846. Rufus provided Cordelia with her own wagon and provisions, and they crossed the plains with the Daniel Spencer Company and arrived in Salt Lake 24 Sep 1847. Rufus began to build a log cabin, but not soon enough. A baby was born to them 27 Oct 1847, the second white child born in the Salt Lake Valley. They named him Aaron Williams Beach and it was said that he was born in a covered wagon on old Pioneer Square. Cordelia lived a colorful and prosperous life, marrying three more times after being widowed. She bore one child with her second husband, and he died at sea as they returned to the east. Nine children were born with her third husband. All of these children were born in Iowa except Caroline. She had one child born with her fourth husband. Cordelia was sealed to her second husband 8 Feb 1849 in Salt Lake City. She returned to the East where she met and married the third time-Francis William Brooks 27 Apr or Jun in 1851 at Warren Illinois. She was again widowed when he died 1 Apr 1869, a little over one month before her 9th child was born to them. She married a fourth time 4 Jun 1873 to James Lasell (or Lasella), at Burlington, Iowa. They had one daughter, Ruth Cordelia. James died Nov 1888. Harriet Cordelia survived her last husband by about 19 years. She died in Burlington, Iowa on 26 Nov 1907 at the age of seventy eight years." | Brooks, Francis William (I269)
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| 5077 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This child is speculative and is added to this family based upon the 1840 census wherein two daughters are shown 5 and under. One daughter can be accounted for as Emma Gene, b. abt 1837. This would place the other girl with a birth of about but not before 1835. The child evidently did not live to sail on the Ship Brooklyn in Feb. 1846. 2. Censuses: 1840 US: New Jersey, Monmouth County, Dover Township, FHL film 016518: George K. Winner, Males (Ages: 1@under 5, 3@20-30, 1@30-40), Females (2@Under 5, 1@5-10, 1@10-15, 1@20-30), Four listed as Coastal Sailors. [Supposition: George was one of the "20-30" males and an "Ocean" sailor, the other three were sailing associates or relatives, the boy was Moroni [under 5], George's wife [20-30], Mary or Elizabeth [10-15; but why only 1 listed?], Louisa [5-10], Emmajean and possibly an unknown daughter [2@under 5: this is confusing - was there another unknown girl who died before the Ship Brooklyn sailing thus explaining the large gap of 6 to 7 years in childbirths?]. | Winner (I3821)
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| 5078 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This child is surmised but unproven from the following census for a female aged 10-15: 1830 US: Clarendon Twp., Orleans, New York, p. 13 of 24: Phillip Frederick, males: 2@10-15 (Matthew and Ambrose), 1@20-30 (Unknown; can't be Peter since he died 1827); 1@40-50 (Philip); females: 1@10-15 (unknown), 1@15-20 (Herriott), 1@50-60 (Catherine). A birth date of abt 1816 fits nicely with known dates for the other children. | Frederick (I4519)
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| 5079 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This could actually be Maidstone. The Linstead/Maidstone film was indexed by extraction as Linstead, as Linstead was the first parish on the film. Many of the actual christenings belong to the Maidstone parish records. I have found several films for Kent county parishes where this was the case: Ham, Harrietsham, and about 5 other parishes, all indexed under Ham. There are several other films where this happened. Use findmypast to corroborate places! | Eagles, Dorothy (I822)
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| 5080 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This daughter is speculative and not proven. There are two documents that lead us to this speculation. First, when the father John died, his children were noted in plural as orphans in the orphan's court. Second, Olive, the mother, is noted as a godparent at the birth of the offspring of this daughter - a godparent can be grandparents but not necessarily always. These two documents are as follows: A. "The Mangum-Mangham-Mangrum Journal," Issue No. 51, January 2003, (formerly "Mangum Family Bulletin"), James L. Parham, editor, pp. 13-15, article includes scanned images of the actual documents: This Part 9 [of a series in the Journal] of the old Virginia records continues to delve more deeply into the records of the second John Mangum (II) of Virginia... [This record shows that John who died in 1744 had children of which the individual of this database would probably have been one.]: ORPHans of John Mangum, (Surry County, Virginia Orders, 1744-1749, page 323, 16 June 1747 Court): 'Ordered That the Church Warden of Albemarle Parish bond out the Orphans of John Mangum according to Law.' (EDITOR'S Comments: The... record concerns the Orphans of John Mangum. This shows that John Mangum (II) had children and they or at least some of them were minors in 1747. Oh, how do we wish they had been named! ED.)" B. Issue No. 1 "Mangum Family Bulletin," March 1969: "Register of Albemarle Parish, Surry & Sussex Counties, Virginia 1739-1778." Gertrude R. B. Richards, ed. Printed by the University Press of Virginia 29. ()hn, son of Wm. Huler and wife Selah; born Apr. 6, c. May 19, 1754; gdpts Thos Atkinson, Olave Mangum, Lydia Dinkens. 30. Elizabeth, dau. of Robt. Purrier and wife Frances; born Jun. 10, c. Aug. 19, 1753; gdpts Wm. Carril, Wm. Waller, Olave Mangum 31. Zilpah, son of Arthur Richardson and wife Mary; born Dec. 10, 1751, c. Jan. 26, 1752; gdpts Robert Priorm, Mary Waller, Olave Mangum 32. Selah, dau. of Wm. Hulen and wife Selah; born May 10, c. Jun. 14, 1752; gdpts Robert Pryor, Olave Mangum, Frances Pryor. Editor's Note: c. is abbreviation for christened; gdpts for godparents. Godparents are sometimes aunts and uncles of the children being christened. 2. Additional comments from other researchers on the same subject: A. The book "The Mangums of Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas, Texas, and Utah and Adjoining States," by John T. Palmer, Santa Rosa, 1992, FHL film 1697868, pp. 4-5, issue of John Mangum and Frances Mangum, first Child: " John Mangum, b. ca. 1703, Albemarle Parish, Surry Co., VA, m. Olive Savidge, dau. of Robert Savage. His [John Mangum's] estate was administered 20 Dec 1744, Surry Co., VA, by Olive Savidge Mangum, m. bef. 6 Oct 1728 who was godparent to four children born in the Albemarle Parish of Surry Co., VA. Parents of these godChildren included William Huler (Hulen) and wife, Selah; Robert Purrier (Pryor/Prior) and wife Frances; and Arthur Richardson and wife, Mary. [Kerry's note: see Olive Savidge's database for my comment and belief that John Palmer is in error believing Olive Savidge who married John Mangum was the daughter of Robert Savidge and not Lovelis Savidge.] B. Website of Lynn Parham at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lynn.parham/savidge.htm: "We believe John Mangum Jr., son of the immigrant John Mangum, married Olive Savidge. She was apparently a daughter of Robert Savidge of Surry Co., Virginia. In his will of 1697 he names his sons Charles and Lovelis and his daughter Olive. The 1728 will of Loveless Savidge mentions an Olive Manggum. John Mangum Jr. died in 1744 and his estate was administered by Olive Mangum. Olive was a godparent to several children in the Albemarle Parish, Surry Co., Virginia after John's death. We suspect those children were Olive & John's grandchildren. We also suspect that another child was John Mangum (John III) who moved to Mecklenburg Co., Virginia. His son, John, was a Revolutionary War patriot. His descendants were the subject of a book by Mrs. Delta Ivy Mangum Hale." [Kerry's note: Lynn appears to have later changed his mind from the above quote as to Olive Mangum being the daughter Robert Savidge - see the notes in this database for Olive Savidge.] 3. Some clarification of dates of county formations is important. Many people confuse the correct location in dealing with the original colonial ancestors of this part of Virginia. James City County was one of eight original shires designated in 1634. At that time it extended toward the southwest between Charles City and Isle of Wight (then Warrosquyoake), being terminated later by the boundary with North Carolina. South of the James River it was separated from Isle of Wight county by Lawne's Creek and from Charles City County (later Prince George County) by Upper Chippokes Creek. James City was made the capitol of the colony in 1639 by an Act of the Assembly. James City was the original Jamestown founded in 1607, America's earliest English settlement. The part of James City County that became Surry County was inhabited by the Quiyoughcohanocks, allies of the Algonquian Powhatan Confederacy, when Jamestown settlers visited in 1607. Early settlers reported that they were entertained very graciously during their first visit. John Rolfe's marriage to Pocohontas in 1614 helped to keep peace between Indians and English settlers for a time. Pocohontas died in England in 1616, however, and by 1622 the Powhatans had decided to rid their lands of the English settlers. On Good Friday, 11 April 1622, Indians living in English settlements all over the small colony rose up and attacked their English hosts, murdering and mutilating them in their homes. At Pace's Pains on the south shore of the James, one Indian, a Christian named Chanco, refused to murder Richard Pace, warning him of the impending massacre instead. Three hundred and forty-seven English people were killed then. A list made the following February showed 1,277 people left alive in the colony. Richard Pace was only one of the settlers on the south shore of James River. In May 1625 The Virginia Company of London listed sixteen settlers in the area that became Surry County. The Virginia Company's development of Virginia did not meet the expectations of the company stockholders or the English government. Sir Francis Wyatt, the last governor under the Virginia Company, became the first crown appointed governor 24 May 1624. The crown honored patents issued by the Company and granted more lands to encourage settlement. Individuals could acquire one headright by paying the transportation cost of one person into the colony. One headright could be exchanged for fifty acres of Virginia land. Soon headrights were being sold, the system became corrupted, and in 1705 the General Assembly attempted to reform it. The 1705 act explicitly stated that individuals could not claim an individual headright more than once or claim headrights for sailors, and land claimants were required to submit sworn statements verifying their headright lists in county courts. By 1640 James City County's population south of James River was sufficient to support a new parish, and Lawne's Creek Parish was established. Lawne's Creek itself was the dividing line between James City County and the later Surry County from the original Isle of Wight County. John Mangum, the original immigrant, had land strattling Lawne's Creek in both Surry and Isle of Wight Counties. Southwark Parish was separated from James City Parish in 1647. County court records begin with 1652, when Surry was formed from the part of James City County that lay southwest of James River. The south end of Surry County eventually is known as Albemarle Parish within in Surry County. From 1738 the only Anglican parish in the Sussex County area was Albemarle. Soon afterward Arthur Allen built his Jacobean brick house, now known as Bacon's Castle because it was occupied as a fort or "castle" during Bacon's Rebellion in 1676. Reports to the Bishop of London by the ministers of Lawne's Creek and Southwark parishes in the year 1724 were recorded by Bishop Meade. They were not prosperous parishes. In 1738 Albemarle Parish was created from those parts of Lawne's Creek and Southwark parishes that lay southwest of Blackwater River. The remaining parts of Lawne's Creek and Southwark were united into Southwark Parish. The entire area of Albemarle Parish was incorporated into Sussex County when it was formed from the southwestern end of Surry County in 1754. Sussex County was formed in 1753 from the part of Surry County that was south of the Blackwater River. "Whereas many inconveniencies" attended the inhabitants of the county of Surry, "by reason of the large extent thereof," the General Assembly enacted a law forming Sussex County from the southwestern part of Surry in November 1753. The boundaries of Sussex County followed those of Albemarle Parish established in 1738. Part of Surry County had been added to Brunswick County in 1732. Thus the parish and county were bounded by Surry County on the northeast, by Southampton County on the southeast, Prince George County on the northwest and Brunswick County on the southwest. Brunswick County was divided by an Act of the Assembly in October 1780, forming Greensville County, which now borders Sussex on the southwest. Sussex, Virginia, is the county seat of Sussex County. The Dillard House, built in 1802, was the repository of the clerk's records until the courthouse was built. The county is named for Sussex County in England. In some early records of Surry County before Sussex was formed, we see mention of Upper and Lower Parishes of Surry County. I assume the Lower Parish is what was eventually called Albemarle Parish of Surry, then Sussex County. We know that the Mangums had land transactions in Pigeon Creek in the 1740s and Hornet Swamp in the 1760s. Both of these areas were south of the Blackwater River in what was Albemarle Parish of Surry or Sussex County depending on the County formation dates as explained above. Some of the Mangums eventually end up in Lunenburg County, Virginia, which in turns splits the southern part of its Cumberland Parish off in 1761 to form St. James Parish, which in turn and in entirety becomes Mecklenburg County in 1764-65. Brunswick County separates Sussex County from Mecklenburg County to the west. These counties are just above the state line from North Carolina. Some people erroneously put down Albemarle County which is a county in Northern Virginia in no way associated with our family of these Southern Virginia locations. 4. Rev. William Willie began keeping the Albemarle Parish Register in the year 1738. 5. Birth and marriage are guesses. We do know however when one of his children was born per the record above. 6. There are some entries in Rootsweb. com Worldconnect showing: Robert Puryear, b. in early 1700s in Warwick Co., Virginia; d. 1758 in Edgecombe Co., North Carolina; married to a Frances Dooles. Could this be the same couple - if so than Frances was perhaps not a Mangum. These postings have no documentation with them. | Mangum, Frances (I3883)
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| 5081 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This daughter is speculative and not proven. There are two documents that lead us to this speculation. First, when the father John died, his children were noted in plural as orphans in the orphan's court. Second, Olive, the mother, is noted as a godparent at the birth of the offspring of this daughter - a godparent can be grandparents but not necessarily always. These two documents are as follows: A. "The Mangum-Mangham-Mangrum Journal," Issue No. 51, January 2003, (formerly "Mangum Family Bulletin"), James L. Parham, editor, pp. 13-15, article includes scanned images of the actual documents: This Part 9 [of a series in the Journal] of the old Virginia records continues to delve more deeply into the records of the second John Mangum (II) of Virginia... [This record shows that John who died in 1744 had children of which the individual of this database would probably have been one.]: ORPHans of John Mangum, (Surry County, Virginia Orders, 1744-1749, page 323, 16 June 1747 Court): 'Ordered That the Church Warden of Albemarle Parish bond out the Orphans of John Mangum according to Law.' (EDITOR'S Comments: The... record concerns the Orphans of John Mangum. This shows that John Mangum (II) had children and they or at least some of them were minors in 1747. Oh, how do we wish they had been named! ED.)" B. Issue No. 1 "Mangum Family Bulletin," March 1969: "Register of Albemarle Parish, Surry & Sussex Counties, Virginia 1739-1778." Gertrude R. B. Richards, ed. Printed by the University Press of Virginia 29. ()hn, son of Wm. Huler and wife Selah; born Apr. 6, c. May 19, 1754; gdpts Thos Atkinson, Olave Mangum, Lydia Dinkens. 30. Elizabeth, dau. of Robt. Purrier and wife Frances; born Jun. 10, c. Aug. 19, 1753; gdpts Wm. Carril, Wm. Waller, Olave Mangum 31. Zilpah, son of Arthur Richardson and wife Mary; born Dec. 10, 1751, c. Jan. 26, 1752; gdpts Robert Priorm, Mary Waller, Olave Mangum 32. Selah, dau. of Wm. Hulen and wife Selah; born May 10, c. Jun. 14, 1752; gdpts Robert Pryor, Olave Mangum, Frances Pryor. Editor's Note: c. is abbreviation for christened; gdpts for godparents. Godparents are sometimes aunts and uncles of the children being christened. 2. Additional comments from other researchers on the same subject: A. The book "The Mangums of Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas, Texas, and Utah and Adjoining States," by John T. Palmer, Santa Rosa, 1992, FHL film 1697868, pp. 4-5, issue of John Mangum and Frances Mangum, first Child: " John Mangum, b. ca. 1703, Albemarle Parish, Surry Co., VA, m. Olive Savidge, dau. of Robert Savage. His [John Mangum's] estate was administered 20 Dec 1744, Surry Co., VA, by Olive Savidge Mangum, m. bef. 6 Oct 1728 who was godparent to four children born in the Albemarle Parish of Surry Co., VA. Parents of these godChildren included William Huler (Hulen) and wife, Selah; Robert Purrier (Pryor/Prior) and wife Frances; and Arthur Richardson and wife, Mary. [Kerry's note: see Olive Savidge's database for my comment and belief that John Palmer is in error believing Olive Savidge who married John Mangum was the daughter of Robert Savidge and not Lovelis Savidge.] B. Website of Lynn Parham at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lynn.parham/savidge.htm: "We believe John Mangum Jr., son of the immigrant John Mangum, married Olive Savidge. She was apparently a daughter of Robert Savidge of Surry Co., Virginia. In his will of 1697 he names his sons Charles and Lovelis and his daughter Olive. The 1728 will of Loveless Savidge mentions an Olive Manggum. John Mangum Jr. died in 1744 and his estate was administered by Olive Mangum. Olive was a godparent to several children in the Albemarle Parish, Surry Co., Virginia after John's death. We suspect those children were Olive & John's grandchildren. We also suspect that another child was John Mangum (John III) who moved to Mecklenburg Co., Virginia. His son, John, was a Revolutionary War patriot. His descendants were the subject of a book by Mrs. Delta Ivy Mangum Hale." [Kerry's note: Lynn appears to have later changed his mind from the above quote as to Olive Mangum being the daughter Robert Savidge - see the notes in this database for Olive Savidge.] 3. Some clarification of dates of county formations is important. Many people confuse the correct location in dealing with the original colonial ancestors of this part of Virginia. James City County was one of eight original shires designated in 1634. At that time it extended toward the southwest between Charles City and Isle of Wight (then Warrosquyoake), being terminated later by the boundary with North Carolina. South of the James River it was separated from Isle of Wight county by Lawne's Creek and from Charles City County (later Prince George County) by Upper Chippokes Creek. James City was made the capitol of the colony in 1639 by an Act of the Assembly. James City was the original Jamestown founded in 1607, America's earliest English settlement. The part of James City County that became Surry County was inhabited by the Quiyoughcohanocks, allies of the Algonquian Powhatan Confederacy, when Jamestown settlers visited in 1607. Early settlers reported that they were entertained very graciously during their first visit. John Rolfe's marriage to Pocohontas in 1614 helped to keep peace between Indians and English settlers for a time. Pocohontas died in England in 1616, however, and by 1622 the Powhatans had decided to rid their lands of the English settlers. On Good Friday, 11 April 1622, Indians living in English settlements all over the small colony rose up and attacked their English hosts, murdering and mutilating them in their homes. At Pace's Pains on the south shore of the James, one Indian, a Christian named Chanco, refused to murder Richard Pace, warning him of the impending massacre instead. Three hundred and forty-seven English people were killed then. A list made the following February showed 1,277 people left alive in the colony. Richard Pace was only one of the settlers on the south shore of James River. In May 1625 The Virginia Company of London listed sixteen settlers in the area that became Surry County. The Virginia Company's development of Virginia did not meet the expectations of the company stockholders or the English government. Sir Francis Wyatt, the last governor under the Virginia Company, became the first crown appointed governor 24 May 1624. The crown honored patents issued by the Company and granted more lands to encourage settlement. Individuals could acquire one headright by paying the transportation cost of one person into the colony. One headright could be exchanged for fifty acres of Virginia land. Soon headrights were being sold, the system became corrupted, and in 1705 the General Assembly attempted to reform it. The 1705 act explicitly stated that individuals could not claim an individual headright more than once or claim headrights for sailors, and land claimants were required to submit sworn statements verifying their headright lists in county courts. By 1640 James City County's population south of James River was sufficient to support a new parish, and Lawne's Creek Parish was established. Lawne's Creek itself was the dividing line between James City County and the later Surry County from the original Isle of Wight County. John Mangum, the original immigrant, had land strattling Lawne's Creek in both Surry and Isle of Wight Counties. Southwark Parish was separated from James City Parish in 1647. County court records begin with 1652, when Surry was formed from the part of James City County that lay southwest of James River. The south end of Surry County eventually is known as Albemarle Parish within in Surry County. From 1738 the only Anglican parish in the Sussex County area was Albemarle. Soon afterward Arthur Allen built his Jacobean brick house, now known as Bacon's Castle because it was occupied as a fort or "castle" during Bacon's Rebellion in 1676. Reports to the Bishop of London by the ministers of Lawne's Creek and Southwark parishes in the year 1724 were recorded by Bishop Meade. They were not prosperous parishes. In 1738 Albemarle Parish was created from those parts of Lawne's Creek and Southwark parishes that lay southwest of Blackwater River. The remaining parts of Lawne's Creek and Southwark were united into Southwark Parish. The entire area of Albemarle Parish was incorporated into Sussex County when it was formed from the southwestern end of Surry County in 1754. Sussex County was formed in 1753 from the part of Surry County that was south of the Blackwater River. "Whereas many inconveniencies" attended the inhabitants of the county of Surry, "by reason of the large extent thereof," the General Assembly enacted a law forming Sussex County from the southwestern part of Surry in November 1753. The boundaries of Sussex County followed those of Albemarle Parish established in 1738. Part of Surry County had been added to Brunswick County in 1732. Thus the parish and county were bounded by Surry County on the northeast, by Southampton County on the southeast, Prince George County on the northwest and Brunswick County on the southwest. Brunswick County was divided by an Act of the Assembly in October 1780, forming Greensville County, which now borders Sussex on the southwest. Sussex, Virginia, is the county seat of Sussex County. The Dillard House, built in 1802, was the repository of the clerk's records until the courthouse was built. The county is named for Sussex County in England. In some early records of Surry County before Sussex was formed, we see mention of Upper and Lower Parishes of Surry County. I assume the Lower Parish is what was eventually called Albemarle Parish of Surry, then Sussex County. We know that the Mangums had land transactions in Pigeon Creek in the 1740s and Hornet Swamp in the 1760s. Both of these areas were south of the Blackwater River in what was Albemarle Parish of Surry or Sussex County depending on the County formation dates as explained above. Some of the Mangums eventually end up in Lunenburg County, Virginia, which in turns splits the southern part of its Cumberland Parish off in 1761 to form St. James Parish, which in turn and in entirety becomes Mecklenburg County in 1764-65. Brunswick County separates Sussex County from Mecklenburg County to the west. These counties are just above the state line from North Carolina. Some people erroneously put down Albemarle County which is a county in Northern Virginia in no way associated with our family of these Southern Virginia locations. 4. Rev. William Willie began keeping the Albemarle Parish Register in the year 1738. 5. Birth and marriage are guesses. We do know however when one of his children was born per the record above. | Mangum, Selah (I3882)
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| 5082 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This daughter is speculative and not proven. There are two documents that lead us to this speculation. First, when the father John died, his children were noted in plural as orphans in the orphan's court. Second, Olive, the mother, is noted as a godparent at the birth of the offspring of this daughter - a godparent can be grandparents but not necessarily always. These two documents are as follows: A. "The Mangum-Mangham-Mangrum Journal," Issue No. 51, January 2003, (formerly "Mangum Family Bulletin"), James L. Parham, editor, pp. 13-15, article includes scanned images of the actual documents: This Part 9 [of a series in the Journal] of the old Virginia records continues to delve more deeply into the records of the second John Mangum (II) of Virginia... [This record shows that John who died in 1744 had children of which the individual of this database would probably have been one.]: ORPHans of John Mangum, (Surry County, Virginia Orders, 1744-1749, page 323, 16 June 1747 Court): 'Ordered That the Church Warden of Albemarle Parish bond out the Orphans of John Mangum according to Law.' (EDITOR'S Comments: The... record concerns the Orphans of John Mangum. This shows that John Mangum (II) had children and they or at least some of them were minors in 1747. Oh, how do we wish they had been named! ED.)" B. Issue No. 1 "Mangum Family Bulletin," March 1969: "Register of Albemarle Parish, Surry & Sussex Counties, Virginia 1739-1778." Gertrude R. B. Richards, ed. Printed by the University Press of Virginia 29. ()hn, son of Wm. Huler and wife Selah; born Apr. 6, c. May 19, 1754; gdpts Thos Atkinson, Olave Mangum, Lydia Dinkens. 30. Elizabeth, dau. of Robt. Purrier and wife Frances; born Jun. 10, c. Aug. 19, 1753; gdpts Wm. Carril, Wm. Waller, Olave Mangum 31. Zilpah, son of Arthur Richardson and wife Mary; born Dec. 10, 1751, c. Jan. 26, 1752; gdpts Robert Priorm, Mary Waller, Olave Mangum 32. Selah, dau. of Wm. Hulen and wife Selah; born May 10, c. Jun. 14, 1752; gdpts Robert Pryor, Olave Mangum, Frances Pryor. Editor's Note: c. is abbreviation for christened; gdpts for godparents. Godparents are sometimes aunts and uncles of the children being christened. 2. Additional comments from other researchers on the same subject: A. The book "The Mangums of Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas, Texas, and Utah and Adjoining States," by John T. Palmer, Santa Rosa, 1992, FHL film 1697868, pp. 4-5, issue of John Mangum and Frances Mangum, first Child: " John Mangum, b. ca. 1703, Albemarle Parish, Surry Co., VA, m. Olive Savidge, dau. of Robert Savage. His [John Mangum's] estate was administered 20 Dec 1744, Surry Co., VA, by Olive Savidge Mangum, m. bef. 6 Oct 1728 who was godparent to four children born in the Albemarle Parish of Surry Co., VA. Parents of these godChildren included William Huler (Hulen) and wife, Selah; Robert Purrier (Pryor/Prior) and wife Frances; and Arthur Richardson and wife, Mary. [Kerry's note: see Olive Savidge's database for my comment and belief that John Palmer is in error believing Olive Savidge who married John Mangum was the daughter of Robert Savidge and not Lovelis Savidge.] B. Website of Lynn Parham at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lynn.parham/savidge.htm: "We believe John Mangum Jr., son of the immigrant John Mangum, married Olive Savidge. She was apparently a daughter of Robert Savidge of Surry Co., Virginia. In his will of 1697 he names his sons Charles and Lovelis and his daughter Olive. The 1728 will of Loveless Savidge mentions an Olive Manggum. John Mangum Jr. died in 1744 and his estate was administered by Olive Mangum. Olive was a godparent to several children in the Albemarle Parish, Surry Co., Virginia after John's death. We suspect those children were Olive & John's grandchildren. We also suspect that another child was John Mangum (John III) who moved to Mecklenburg Co., Virginia. His son, John, was a Revolutionary War patriot. His descendants were the subject of a book by Mrs. Delta Ivy Mangum Hale." [Kerry's note: Lynn appears to have later changed his mind from the above quote as to Olive Mangum being the daughter Robert Savidge - see the notes in this database for Olive Savidge.] 3. Birth and marriage are guesses. We do know however when one of his children was born per the record above. 4. There are some entries in Rootsweb. com Worldconnect showing: Robert Puryear, b. in early 1700s in Warwick Co., Virginia; d. 1758 in Edgecombe Co., North Carolina; married to a Frances Dooles; parents Samuel and Elizabeth Puryear. Could this be the same couple - if so than Frances was perhaps not a Mangum. These postings have no documentation with them. | Purrier or Pryor or Prior, Robert (I3875)
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| 5083 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This daughter is speculative and not proven. There are two documents that lead us to this speculation. First, when the father John died, his children were noted in plural as orphans in the orphan's court. Second, Olive, the mother, is noted as a godparent at the birth of the offspring of this daughter - a godparent can be grandparents but not necessarily always. These two documents are as follows: A. "The Mangum-Mangham-Mangrum Journal," Issue No. 51, January 2003, (formerly "Mangum Family Bulletin"), James L. Parham, editor, pp. 13-15, article includes scanned images of the actual documents: This Part 9 [of a series in the Journal] of the old Virginia records continues to delve more deeply into the records of the second John Mangum (II) of Virginia... [This record shows that John who died in 1744 had children of which the individual of this database would probably have been one.]: ORPHans of John Mangum, (Surry County, Virginia Orders, 1744-1749, page 323, 16 June 1747 Court): 'Ordered That the Church Warden of Albemarle Parish bond out the Orphans of John Mangum according to Law.' (EDITOR'S Comments: The... record concerns the Orphans of John Mangum. This shows that John Mangum (II) had children and they or at least some of them were minors in 1747. Oh, how do we wish they had been named! ED.)" B. Issue No. 1 "Mangum Family Bulletin," March 1969: "Register of Albemarle Parish, Surry & Sussex Counties, Virginia 1739-1778." Gertrude R. B. Richards, ed. Printed by the University Press of Virginia 29. ()hn, son of Wm. Huler and wife Selah; born Apr. 6, c. May 19, 1754; gdpts Thos Atkinson, Olave Mangum, Lydia Dinkens. 30. Elizabeth, dau. of Robt. Purrier and wife Frances; born Jun. 10, c. Aug. 19, 1753; gdpts Wm. Carril, Wm. Waller, Olave Mangum 31. Zilpah, son of Arthur Richardson and wife Mary; born Dec. 10, 1751, c. Jan. 26, 1752; gdpts Robert Priorm, Mary Waller, Olave Mangum 32. Selah, dau. of Wm. Hulen and wife Selah; born May 10, c. Jun. 14, 1752; gdpts Robert Pryor, Olave Mangum, Frances Pryor. Editor's Note: c. is abbreviation for christened; gdpts for godparents. Godparents are sometimes aunts and uncles of the children being christened. 2. Additional comments from other researchers on the same subject: A. The book "The Mangums of Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas, Texas, and Utah and Adjoining States," by John T. Palmer, Santa Rosa, 1992, FHL film 1697868, pp. 4-5, issue of John Mangum and Frances Mangum, first Child: " John Mangum, b. ca. 1703, Albemarle Parish, Surry Co., VA, m. Olive Savidge, dau. of Robert Savage. His [John Mangum's] estate was administered 20 Dec 1744, Surry Co., VA, by Olive Savidge Mangum, m. bef. 6 Oct 1728 who was godparent to four children born in the Albemarle Parish of Surry Co., VA. Parents of these godChildren included William Huler (Hulen) and wife, Selah; Robert Purrier (Pryor/Prior) and wife Frances; and Arthur Richardson and wife, Mary. [Kerry's note: see Olive Savidge's database for my comment and belief that John Palmer is in error believing Olive Savidge who married John Mangum was the daughter of Robert Savidge and not Lovelis Savidge.] B. Website of Lynn Parham at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lynn.parham/savidge.htm: "We believe John Mangum Jr., son of the immigrant John Mangum, married Olive Savidge. She was apparently a daughter of Robert Savidge of Surry Co., Virginia. In his will of 1697 he names his sons Charles and Lovelis and his daughter Olive. The 1728 will of Loveless Savidge mentions an Olive Manggum. John Mangum Jr. died in 1744 and his estate was administered by Olive Mangum. Olive was a godparent to several children in the Albemarle Parish, Surry Co., Virginia after John's death. We suspect those children were Olive & John's grandchildren. We also suspect that another child was John Mangum (John III) who moved to Mecklenburg Co., Virginia. His son, John, was a Revolutionary War patriot. His descendants were the subject of a book by Mrs. Delta Ivy Mangum Hale." [Kerry's note: Lynn appears to have later changed his mind from the above quote as to Olive Mangum being the daughter Robert Savidge - see the notes in this database for Olive Savidge.] 3. Birth and marriage are guesses. We do know however when one of his children was born per the record above. | Hulen or Huler, William (I3873)
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| 5084 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This daughter is speculative and not proven. There are two documents that lead us to this speculation. First, when the father John died, his children were noted in plural as orphans in the orphan's court. Second, Olive, the mother, is noted as a godparent at the birth of the offspring of this daughter - a godparent can be grandparents but not necessarily always. These two documents are as follows: A. "The Mangum-Mangham-Mangrum Journal," Issue No. 51, January 2003, (formerly "Mangum Family Bulletin"), James L. Parham, editor, pp. 13-15, article includes scanned images of the actual documents: This Part 9 [of a series in the Journal] of the old Virginia records continues to delve more deeply into the records of the second John Mangum (II) of Virginia... [This record shows that John who died in 1744 had children of which the individual of this database would probably have been one.]: Orphans of John Mangum, (Surry County, Virginia Orders, 1744-1749, page 323, 16 June 1747 Court): 'Ordered That the Church Warden of Albemarle Parish bond out the Orphans of John Mangum according to Law.' (EDITOR'S Comments: The... record concerns the Orphans of John Mangum. This shows that John Mangum (II) had children and they or at least some of them were minors in 1747. Oh, how do we wish they had been named! ED.)" B. Issue No. 1 "Mangum Family Bulletin," March 1969: "Register of Albemarle Parish, Surry & Sussex Counties, Virginia 1739-1778." Gertrude R. B. Richards, ed. Printed by the University Press of Virginia 29. ()hn, son of Wm. Huler and wife Selah; born Apr. 6, c. May 19, 1754; gdpts Thos Atkinson, Olave Mangum, Lydia Dinkens. 30. Elizabeth, dau. of Robt. Purrier and wife Frances; born Jun. 10, c. Aug. 19, 1753; gdpts Wm. Carril, Wm. Waller, Olave Mangum 31. Zilpah, son of Arthur Richardson and wife Mary; born Dec. 10, 1751, c. Jan. 26, 1752; gdpts Robert Priorm, Mary Waller, Olave Mangum 32. Selah, dau. of Wm. Hulen and wife Selah; born May 10, c. Jun. 14, 1752; gdpts Robert Pryor, Olave Mangum, Frances Pryor. Editor's Note: c. is abbreviation for christened; gdpts for godparents. Godparents are sometimes aunts and uncles of the children being christened. 2. Additional comments from other researchers on the same subject: A. The book "The Mangums of Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas, Texas, and Utah and Adjoining States," by John T. Palmer, Santa Rosa, 1992, FHL film 1697868, pp. 4-5, issue of John Mangum and Frances Mangum, first Child: " John Mangum, b. ca. 1703, Albemarle Parish, Surry Co., VA, m. Olive Savidge, dau. of Robert Savage. His [John Mangum's] estate was administered 20 Dec 1744, Surry Co., VA, by Olive Savidge Mangum, m. bef. 6 Oct 1728 who was godparent to four children born in the Albemarle Parish of Surry Co., VA. Parents of these godChildren included William Huler (Hulen) and wife, Selah; Robert Purrier (Pryor/Prior) and wife Frances; and Arthur Richardson and wife, Mary. [Kerry's note: see Olive Savidge's database for my comment and belief that John Palmer is in error believing Olive Savidge who married John Mangum was the daughter of Robert Savidge and not Lovelis Savidge.] B. Website of Lynn Parham at http://mywebpages.comcast.net/lynn.parham/savidge.htm: "We believe John Mangum Jr., son of the immigrant John Mangum, married Olive Savidge. She was apparently a daughter of Robert Savidge of Surry Co., Virginia. In his will of 1697 he names his sons Charles and Lovelis and his daughter Olive. The 1728 will of Loveless Savidge mentions an Olive Manggum. John Mangum Jr. died in 1744 and his estate was administered by Olive Mangum. Olive was a godparent to several children in the Albemarle Parish, Surry Co., Virginia after John's death. We suspect those children were Olive & John's grandchildren. We also suspect that another child was John Mangum (John III) who moved to Mecklenburg Co., Virginia. His son, John, was a Revolutionary War patriot. His descendants were the subject of a book by Mrs. Delta Ivy Mangum Hale." [Kerry's note: Lynn appears to have later changed his mind from the above quote as to Olive Mangum being the daughter Robert Savidge - see the notes in this database for Olive Savidge.] C. "The Mangum-Mangham-Mangrum Journal," Issue No. 52, July 2003, (formerly "Mangum Family Bulletin"), James L. Parham, editor, pp. 24-26, [article includes scanned images of the actual documents]. The editor notes: "The translations of the Old English below were done quickly and the main effort was to try to retain the gist of the information rather than spending a lot of time trying to decipher every word. "COURT Records RELATING To Will of JohnRichardSON, (Surry County, Virginia Orders 1744-1749, page 387. Surry Court 20 Oct. 1747): 'The last will & Testament of John Richardson dec'ed was presented in Court by Elizabeth Richardson, widow & relict of the said John & Executrix therein named who made oath thereto according to Law and the same was proved by the Oaths of Samuel Maget & Olive Mangum the witnesses thereto and by the Court order'd to be recorded and on the motion of the said Executor a Certificate is granted her for obtaining a Probate thereof in due Form. Order'd that Samuel Maget, Benjamin Ellis, Thomas Alsobrooke, James Nicolson or any three of them being first Sworn before Robert Gray gentl? Do appraised in current money the ^slaves & Personal Estate of John Richardson dec'ed and returned the appraisement to the next Court.' (EDITOR'S NOTE: We believe that one of John & Olive Mangum's daughters married into the Richardson family. On 26 Jan. 1752 Zilpah, son of Arthur Richardson and wife Mary was christened with Olave Mangum as one of the godparents in the Albemarle Parish, Surry Co., VA.)" 3. Some clarification of dates of county formations is important. Many people confuse the correct location in dealing with the original colonial ancestors of this part of Virginia. James City County was one of eight original shires designated in 1634. At that time it extended toward the southwest between Charles City and Isle of Wight (then Warrosquyoake), being terminated later by the boundary with North Carolina. South of the James River it was separated from Isle of Wight county by Lawne's Creek and from Charles City County (later Prince George County) by Upper Chippokes Creek. James City was made the capitol of the colony in 1639 by an Act of the Assembly. James City was the original Jamestown founded in 1607, America's earliest English settlement. The part of James City County that became Surry County was inhabited by the Quiyoughcohanocks, allies of the Algonquian Powhatan Confederacy, when Jamestown settlers visited in 1607. Early settlers reported that they were entertained very graciously during their first visit. John Rolfe's marriage to Pocohontas in 1614 helped to keep peace between Indians and English settlers for a time. Pocohontas died in England in 1616, however, and by 1622 the Powhatans had decided to rid their lands of the English settlers. On Good Friday, 11 April 1622, Indians living in English settlements all over the small colony rose up and attacked their English hosts, murdering and mutilating them in their homes. At Pace's Pains on the south shore of the James, one Indian, a Christian named Chanco, refused to murder Richard Pace, warning him of the impending massacre instead. Three hundred and forty-seven English people were killed then. A list made the following February showed 1,277 people left alive in the colony. Richard Pace was only one of the settlers on the south shore of James River. In May 1625 The Virginia Company of London listed sixteen settlers in the area that became Surry County. The Virginia Company's development of Virginia did not meet the expectations of the company stockholders or the English government. Sir Francis Wyatt, the last governor under the Virginia Company, became the first crown appointed governor 24 May 1624. The crown honored patents issued by the Company and granted more lands to encourage settlement. Individuals could acquire one headright by paying the transportation cost of one person into the colony. One headright could be exchanged for fifty acres of Virginia land. Soon headrights were being sold, the system became corrupted, and in 1705 the General Assembly attempted to reform it. The 1705 act explicitly stated that individuals could not claim an individual headright more than once or claim headrights for sailors, and land claimants were required to submit sworn statements verifying their headright lists in county courts. By 1640 James City County's population south of James River was sufficient to support a new parish, and Lawne's Creek Parish was established. Lawne's Creek itself was the dividing line between James City County and the later Surry County from the original Isle of Wight County. John Mangum, the original immigrant, had land strattling Lawne's Creek in both Surry and Isle of Wight Counties. Southwark Parish was separated from James City Parish in 1647. County court records begin with 1652, when Surry was formed from the part of James City County that lay southwest of James River. The south end of Surry County eventually is known as Albemarle Parish within in Surry County. From 1738 the only Anglican parish in the Sussex County area was Albemarle. Soon afterward Arthur Allen built his Jacobean brick house, now known as Bacon's Castle because it was occupied as a fort or "castle" during Bacon's Rebellion in 1676. Reports to the Bishop of London by the ministers of Lawne's Creek and Southwark parishes in the year 1724 were recorded by Bishop Meade. They were not prosperous parishes. In 1738 Albemarle Parish was created from those parts of Lawne's Creek and Southwark parishes that lay southwest of Blackwater River. The remaining parts of Lawne's Creek and Southwark were united into Southwark Parish. The entire area of Albemarle Parish was incorporated into Sussex County when it was formed from the southwestern end of Surry County in 1754. Sussex County was formed in 1753 from the part of Surry County that was south of the Blackwater River. "Whereas many inconveniencies" attended the inhabitants of the county of Surry, "by reason of the large extent thereof," the General Assembly enacted a law forming Sussex County from the southwestern part of Surry in November 1753. The boundaries of Sussex County followed those of Albemarle Parish established in 1738. Part of Surry County had been added to Brunswick County in 1732. Thus the parish and county were bounded by Surry County on the northeast, by Southampton County on the southeast, Prince George County on the northwest and Brunswick County on the southwest. Brunswick County was divided by an Act of the Assembly in October 1780, forming Greensville County, which now borders Sussex on the southwest. Sussex, Virginia, is the county seat of Sussex County. The Dillard House, built in 1802, was the repository of the clerk's records until the courthouse was built. The county is named for Sussex County in England. In some early records of Surry County before Sussex was formed, we see mention of Upper and Lower Parishes of Surry County. I assume the Lower Parish is what was eventually called Albemarle Parish of Surry, then Sussex County. We know that the Mangums had land transactions in Pigeon Creek in the 1740s and Hornet Swamp in the 1760s. Both of these areas were south of the Blackwater River in what was Albemarle Parish of Surry or Sussex County depending on the County formation dates as explained above. Some of the Mangums eventually end up in Lunenburg County, Virginia, which in turns splits the southern part of its Cumberland Parish off in 1761 to form St. James Parish, which in turn and in entirety becomes Mecklenburg County in 1764-65. Brunswick County separates Sussex County from Mecklenburg County to the west. These counties are just above the state line from North Carolina. Some people erroneously put down Albemarle County which is a county in Northern Virginia in no way associated with our family of these Southern Virginia locations. 4. Rev. William Willie began keeping the Albemarle Parish Register in the year 1738. | Mangum, Mary (I3404)
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| 5085 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This file is a catch-all file for early Clinches who I cannot yet connect to our Clinches. One possibility is the following chain starting with Thomas and Katherine, their son William and his wife Agnes, either their son John or Thomas, and then our ancestor John who married Joan. Several of the notes below explore the various links of that chain. 2. The following are transcriptions of the Latin 1495 will of Thomas Clenche of Chalkwell/Milton upon Sittingbourne (aka Milton Regis). Basically for family connections, Thomas was a large landholder. His wife was Katherine. He had two children -- a son William who appears to be deceased and a daughter with the married name of Agnes Brett (husband most likely William). William Clench had two sons, both under the age of 21 -- John and Thomas. John seems to be the older one of the two brothers. The deceased William Clench's widow was named Agnes Tunbrwge (probably the remarried surname) who still lived on one of the testator's properties. Katherine's 1503 will is easier to decipher and only mentions her daughter Agnes. There is a reference to John Clench but no relation is stated although it certainly would be her grandson. There are a couple of godchildren also mentioned which may be related somehow since "godchild" in that day and age could also mean "grandchild." Among a couple of dozen people mentioned in the will is William Brett, who is a co-executor. This would probably be her son-in-law married to her daughter Agnes. There is one other probate action that interests us in the Canterbury Probate Index. It is an Act for John Clench of Milton dated 1508 and referenced as PRC/3/3/161. It probably was initiated around John's 21st birthday and he is most likely the grandson John Clench in Thomas and Katherine's will, which would give him a birth of ca. 1487. Our John who married Johan is estimated to have been born before 1505 calculated from the 1530 land transaction they had in Eastling and he died 1593. This seems to preclude our John from being the grandson John. A look at the 1508 Act transcribed from the same sources below indicate: 15 November 1508. Administration to the goods of John Clenche. To John Triplowe. (A. Act, Vol. 3, fol. 161.) Probate for Thoma Clench. Canterbury Probate Index: Will; Thomas Clenche, Milton next Sittingbourn, 1495, 1496, PRC/17/6/195, Chalkwell. Transcription from the following website "Archaeologia Cantiana - Vol. 44 (1932), pp. 96-97, "Milton Wills (next Sittingbourne)," by Arthur Hussey "18 June 1495. Buried in the churchyard. To the mother church of Holy Trinity Canterbury 4d. High altar of Middelton 6-8d, to the "fabrice et operibus" of the church 20/-. Light of St. Mary a cow. A secular priest celebrate for a year for my soul, parents, £6-13-4d. Residue after paying debts to wife Katherine, who with John Bromefeld my Ex'ors, and Ralph Chiche [not Clinche], gent, overseer. Wife have my tenement in Chalkwell with garden and five acres of land, eight acres in Nolefield in Borden parish, one acre and a virgate in Buggisfield, one acre and a virgate in Schamellisfield, half acre of woodland in Puc wood, one acre of woodland at Deneway in Newington parish, four acres in Bordensdane whereof one acre is in Sittingbourne, during the life of Katherine if she do not marry; if wife marry then John Bromefeld, John Bury, Thomas Coting my Feoffees, shall pay yearly to Katherine 40/-. After the death of wife Katherine the four acres in Bordensdane to Agnes Brette my daughter her heirs assigns for ever. After the death of Katherine then John son of William Clenche my son have residue of lands tenements, and to his heirs assigns for ever, when John is 21, until then Feoffees have charge of the same. If John be dead then to his brother Thomas when 21, but if Thomas dead then be sold, the money :—to a priest to celebrate for our souls £6-13-4d, to the repair of Middelton church £6-13-4d, for painting (picturam) the Images of Blessed Mary and St John Baptist in the church £6-13-4d, Andrew Joye of Ledes my kinsman and his brother Henry Joye each £3-6-8d, the residue in repairing the road between Chalkwell and Middelton, between Bobbing and Middelton, between Chalkwell and Chesten Wood by my Feoffees. The aforesaid Thomas Clench after the death of Agnes Tunbrigge his mother, have that tenement in Middelton next the Fox which Agnes holds for life, and to the heirs of Thomas for ever. If Thomas die before 21 then to Agnes Brett my daughter and her male issue for ever, in default to heirs female. John Joye have a piece of land between the Water Mill of Thomas Iden and land of John Hoggs east. Witness :—William Petyte vicar. [Probate 17 June 1497.] (A. Vol. 6, fol. 195.)" [Note: I checked Canterbury Probate Index and found no entries for William Brett or any Tunbridge/Cambridge/Cambryge.] Probate of Katherine Clench; Canterbury Probate Index: Will; Katherine Clenche, widow Thomas Clenche, Milton, 1593, 1593, PRC/17/9/181a. Transcription from the following website "Archaeologia Cantiana - Vol. 44 (1932), pp. 97-98, "Milton Wills (next Sittingbourne)," by Arthur Hussey "Kateryne Clench, wife of Thomas Clenche of Myddelton, yeoman, 16 December 1503. Buried in the churchyard. Daughter Agnes my best gown, kirtle, girdle, beads, and 6 silver spoons. John Holt 6-8d. John Clenche two tables, the hangings of the hall. Reparation of the church 6-8d, and of the highways 20/-. A priest sing for my soul, husband, friends for quarter of a year 33-4d. That Ralph Heyman, John Cathott, William Essex, Valentine Burdon, have 12d each to bear me to the church. John Clenche be put to school and good guiding by John Berry, John Triplowe, William Brett. Residue after debts paid to John Triplowe and William Brett my Ex'ors to dispose for my soul, each have 6-8d. Witnesses :—Dom William Scott, John Berry, Harry Waye. [Probate 17 January 1503-4.] (A. Vol. 9, fol. 181.)" [My note: The above transcription seems to be abbreviated and in reviewing the original, I also find other names: John Holt, John Welbs?, Andrewe Joye and his brother Henry, Thomas Danbery, Kateryne Fyntche my goddaughter [often but not always this meant granddaughter], Thomas Cadlott, Agnes Newbury?, William Scott, Harry Wey, John Cory, Rauf Hayman, John Catlott, Willm Essex, Valentyn Budon?, Agnes Tryplowe, Katherine Feltwell, Katherine Cottying, Katherine Bugg godchild, Pet. Chamber (miller).] 3. Website of Roy L. Hales "Origins The Clinch family have a tradition that they originally came from Ireland. They supposedly grew prosperous raising sheep in Kent's Chetney marshes in the North of Kent. Then a flood washed their flocks away. A farm labourer from Borden named George Clinch, who is remembered for his expertise grafting trees, is the first one remembered speaking of it. George was raised by his grandfather Thomas Clinch (1779-after 1851) and told the story to his daughter Marianne (1877-1957). She told her grandson Ron Hales Reed, who told the story to me one night in Barming during 2002. As there are records of this family stretching back to the early 14th century, one has to wonder as to this story's accuracy. Clinch is an English surname, which made its appearance as early as 1223. (Really & Wilson, "A Dictionary of English Surnames," p. 100) The name Clinch (or Clinse) enters Irish records, in the province of Leinster, during the early 1300's. (Edward Mac Lysaght, "The Surnames of Ireland," 1989 edition from London, p. 46). There have been many floods in Kent's history. One of the worst brought an end to a boom in the wool trade. The cost of wool tripped between 1280 and 1322. The resulting crash has been blamed on severe storms that flooded low lying areas, like the Chetney marshes, with sea water. The surviving flocks were devastated by drought and pestilence. In 1324, farms belonging to Christ Church Cathedral, Canterbury, lost 4,685 of their 10,000 sheep. According F. W, Jessup, "Except on Romney Marsh, the flocks never recovered, nor did sheep rearing ever again reach its former importance or prosperity." (F. W. Jessup, "A History of Kent," edition of 1995, p. 69) Records of the Clinch/Clench family start appearing, in a ten mile radius around Chetney Marsh, go back to that era. There are references to the Clenches in the Hundred of West Milton during the mid-14th century: - the Kent Lay Subsidy of 1334 mentions two Clench families in there Hundred of West Milton. The most extensive belonged to Laurence le Clench (2s. 4d) and a smaller holding was allowed to Thomas Clench (6d) - F. R. H Du Boulay editor, Medieval Kentish Society, Kent Archaeological Society, 1964, pp. 165, 166) - On May 13, 1359, Thomas Clenche was one of the witnesses when Roger de Twydole, of Gillingham, granted all his lands, tenements, rents, farms, marshes, pastures, meadows in Gillingham to Richard Smelt of London. [http://cityark.medway.gov.uk/query/results/?Mode=Search&PathList=%2F&SearchWords=Clench&x=14&y=9] By the 15th century, there are records from the Isle of Sheppy: The will of Joanne Clinch from 1468 (PCC17/1/65) and Thome Clinch from 1484 (PRC17/3/515). Meanwhile, our ancestors in the Hundred of West Milton left enough data to reconstruct a genealogy: Generation One Thomas Clenche (about 1430? - 149[6]) married Katherine (1430? -150[3]). Thomas Clench was one of the 47 men from Borden [see "Archaeologia Cantiana, being Transactions of the Kent Archaelogical Society," Vol. VII, 1868, "John Cade's Followers in Kent," by William Durrant Cooper, pp. 333+, available online], in the Hundred of West Milton, that followed Jack Cade off to London in the rebellion of 1450. (Helen Allison, Borden: "The History of a Kentish Parish," Syndon Books, pp. 15-16). There are said to have been more than 5,000 men from Kent and the surrounding counties. They ambushed a royal detachment, led by Sir Humphrey and William Stafford, killing both commanders. Cade set up headquarters in The White Hart Inn, in Southwark, before entering London on 3 July 1450. They executed the High Treasurer of England and Sheriff of Kent. Things might have turned out differently, if Cade had been able to keep control of his men, but they proceeded to loot and pillage. There was a battle on London Bridge, on the night of July 8, in which the rebels appear to have got the worst of it. Much to Cade's dismay, his followers agreed to return to their homes after Archbishop John Kemp (Lord Chancellor) offered to fulfill their demands and issue official pardons. (This pardon has proved to be invaluable for genealogists). King Henry VI would subsequently reject this and issue an order for Cade's arrest. He was mortally wounded in a skirmish with Alexander Iden, who was subsequently appointed Sheriff of Kent. Milton is only two miles from Borden and I suspect the Thomas Clenche whose will (PRC17/6/195) was proved there in 1497, is the man who marched off with Cade 47 years earlier. That document is in Latin, but his widow Katherine's will (PRC17/9/181) was in English. In that document she says she is the widow of Thomas Clenche and left a blanket, ball of yarn, pots, coffer and cupboard to their [grand]son John. [Note that Thomas' will mentions land in Borden, making it more sure that he was the one in Cade's Rebellion.]..." 4. I include this note for two reasons. First, our earliest Clenches had some connection to Eastling through their descendant Josias. Secondly, the second family summarized below has no known direct link but is definitely in the right locality of all our early Clenches and with some additional ancestral research they would most certainly connect. Extraction of the surname Clinch (with variants) from Eastling Parish Records, FHL film 1836242, items 1-6. Also compared against a modern extraction on FHL film 1544550, it. 8, which appears to be extracted from the Archdeacon's Transcript (FHL film 1751816, item 1), which I also viewed. There is also a Bishop's Transcript beginning 1603 which I did not view. I extract through to 1675. No Allens or Barnes were found in extractions from our first generation John and Johan Clench's sons-in-law. The parish records I extracted have christenings starting 1559, burials 1558, and marriages 1560; there are many missing years including early 1640s to the early 1660s: 20 May 1593, Jacob, c., s/o Josias Clenche. 28 Mar 1596, Henry, c., s/o Josias Clench. 5 Aug 1599, William, c., s/o Josias Clenche. 3 Oct 1602, Sarah wife of Josias Clinch bur. [From Archdeacon's transcript: 30 May 1612: Henry, bur., s/o Josias Clench, almost 16 years of age.] 23 Oct 1621, Edward Clinch, s/o John. 15 Aug 1624, Sarah Clinch, c., d/o John; bur. 19 Oct 1624, d/o of John Clinch. 9 Nov 1628, Anne Clenche, c., d/o John. 29 Jul 1631, Catherine Clinch, c., d/o John. 23 Dec 1632, Josias Clinch about 77 years old bur. [From Archdeacon's transcript: 9 Feb 1634/5, "William Clinch & Margaret Greenstreet both single by license were maryed at Canterbury in the parish church of All Saints.] 17 Nov 1635, William Clinche, c., s/o William and Margaret. 14 Jan 1637/8, a stillborn child of John Clinche bur. 25 Aug 1639, Anne Clinche, c., d/o William and Margaret. 22 Nov 1641, Edward Clinch, c., s/o William and Margaret. 21 May 1649 Henry Clinch, c., s/o William and Margaret. 23 Dec 1652, Mary Clinch, c., d/o Wil. and Margaret. [Undated between 1655 and 1662] -- the three are in sequence together and were probably entered much later from memory since the parish records are missing from early 1640 to early 1660s: - "John Clench ye Elder & his wife being a widdow" bur. - "John Clench ye younger about xl years old" bur. - "Katharine Clench virgin about xxx years old" bur. [Modern extraction (FHL film 1544550, it. 8) shows Katharine Clench, virgin, bur. 11 Jul 1661, d/o John.] 6 May 1663, Katharine Clinch virgine, bur. [Is this a repeat entry for the one above?] 6 Sep 1663, "Widdow Clinch the wife of John Clinch" bur. [Archdeacon's record states age of "about 60."] May 1670, Wm. Clinch bur. 6 Feb 1670/1, Margaret Clinch widdow, bur. Dec 1675, Edward Clench bur. Rearranged in family groups by myself: Family 1: Parents Josias and Sarah Clench. 3 Oct 1602; 23 Dec 1632, Josias Clinch about 77 years old bur.; Sarah wife of Josias Clinch bur.: - 20 May 1593, Jacob, c., s/o Josias Clenche. - 28 Mar 1596, Henry, c., s/o Josias Clench; 30 May 1612: Henry, bur., s/o Josias Clench, almost 16 years of age. - 5 Aug 1599, William, c., s/o Josias Clenche. Family 2: Parents John Clench and unknown wife; 6 Sep 1663, "Widdow Clinch the wife of John Clinch" bur. - 23 Oct 1621, Edward Clinch, s/o John; Dec 1675, Edward Clench bur. - 15 Aug 1624, Sarah Clinch, c., d/o John; bur. 19 Oct 1624, d/o of John Clinch. - 9 Nov 1628, Anne Clenche, c., d/o John. - 29 Jul 1631, Catherine Clinch, c., d/o John. "Katharine Clench virgin about xxx years old" bur. [Modern extraction (FHL film 1544550, it. 8) shows Katharine Clench, virgin, bur. 11 Jul 1661, d/o John.] 6 May 1663, Katharine Clinch virgine, bur. [Is this a repeat entry for the one above?] - 14 Jan 1637/8, a stillborn child of John Clinche bur. Family 3: William and Margaret Clench (William is a son in Family #1); m9 Feb 1634/5, "William Clinch & Margaret Greenstreet both single by license were maryed at Canterbury in the parish church of All Saints; May 1670, Wm. Clinch bur.; 6 Feb 1670/1, Margaret Clinch widdow, bur.: - 17 Nov 1635, William Clinche, c., s/o William and Margaret. - 25 Aug 1639, Anne Clinche, c., d/o William and Margaret. - 22 Nov 1641, Edward Clinch, c., s/o William and Margaret. - 21 May 1649 Henry Clinch, c., s/o William and Margaret. - 23 Dec 1652, Mary Clinch, c., d/o Wil. and Margaret. My comments: 1. Josias of Family #1 is related to us by being the grandson of our first known ancestors John and Johan (___) Clench through their son John Clench's first marriage to an unknown wife. 2. In regards to Family #2 above, John is currently floating unanchored to our known line. The connection probably goes back further but is not yet determined. There is no marriage recorded in Eastling; however, Find My Past shows two entries for a John Clench who fits the timeframe of 1620 or earlier. This marriage appears to have been recorded twice -- John Clench and Catheren Dearne, 12 Apr 1618 at Marden, Kent, and John Clench and Cath. Dearne 12 Apr 1619 at Lynsted, Kent. Both entries are for John Clench. Marden is about 27 miles southwest of Lynsted and Eastling is about five miles south. Lynsted is close to Tonge and Eastling, the ancestral homes of the early Clenches. In Lynsted, we also find the 12 Jun 1620 christening of John Clench, son of John Clench, who was apparently born before the couple moved nearby Eastling where they first show up with the christening of their second child. This first son John who was chr. in Lynsted dies in Eastling (no date: "John Clench ye younger about xl years old" bur.) at age 40, which calculates to 1660. Note a child of this couple chr. in Eastlin is named Catherine. Also we find one other child chr. in Lynsted belonging to this family: Mary "Clennch," dau. of John "Clennch," bur. 16 Oct 1625. All of this confirms that John of Lynsted and John of Eastling are the same person. No earlier records of Clenches exist in Lynsted. 5. Email from Roy L Hales dated 23 Jan 2016 "I think the John & Johann Clinch from Eastling real estate deal of 1530/31 and John's will 1582 are the same couple." Roy also found the following: "There is a John Clynch in the subsidy roll in the 14th year of King Henry VIII (22 April 1523 - 21 April 1524). He paid 4 pence (James Greenstreet, "Subsidy Roll for the Hundred of Faversham, for Ao 14 Henry VIII," Archaeologica Cantiana, Vol XII, 1878, p. 426)." He also notes Eastling is in Faversham Hundred. He also notes he has extensive documentation from the town of Faversham itself, and sees no Clynches, so he believes this entry pertains to one of the outlying parishes -- perhaps Eastling. In my research, I see Milton Regis (the modern name of Milton) is not in the Faversham Hundred, so Eastling could be a better option. I concur that the Eastling real estate John or 1530 is our 1582 man even though there is the remote possibility there was another couple of this name. Having extracted the Eastling church records, it is evident it was a very small parish with some years having no marriages or maybe only a half dozen baptisms -- so the odds of two similarly named couples would be slim. As for our John being the son of Thomas and Katherine: We know John was the older of the two sons, John and Thomas, named in Thomas' 1495 will. Their father William is dead by then and their mother is remarried, so the latest he would be born would be circa about 1590. If he is however the same John as the Act of 1508 for John Clench of Milton, then he may have reached his majority of 21 at that time making a birth of about 1487, which would make him 95 at time of death. A definite possibility but some room for some doubt. It doesn't work so well if Thomas' John is not our John because the timeframe doesn't work so well for the early John to be the father of the later John. The reference in the Kent Canterbury list of probate for the 1508 administration is: John Clenche, Milton, 1508, (A Act vol 3/161). Being he is the only other Clench mentioned in Milton in that time period besides Thomas and Katherine, then one would surmise that it most likely the same John mentioned in the two wills. Why an act? Perhaps something to do with the admin or the possession of his legacy? I am not sure where to find the Act, but it is listed on the Canterbury probate list -- perhaps in with the wills for 1508? Remember too that there was a grandson Thomas of Thomas the testator as well in the mix who could be our progenitor. Another consideration is that Katherine does not give a relationship to the John Clench in her will in 1503 and it seems that she has him holding property for three individuals including Wm. Brett, who would be his uncle. This would imply perhaps a majority of age, unless there is another John Clench who was older and perhaps the same generation as her deceased husband. If it was the grandson John who was of majority age, then he could certainly be the father of John Clench who married Johan. Roy's later added opinion: I easily could accept the idea of one John Clench living to +88 (aged at least 4 when his grandfather Thomas died); however, the problem with a "one John theory" is his wife Johan. Having two of them +88 is possible, but unusual and "feels wrong". I suspect he was some years short of 21, as they mention the idea of his dying before he is that old, but if he was only 14 that makes him 98 when he died. I suppose John could have married a much younger woman, but they appear to have been married 52 years. If she was 20 when we first see them, that makes her 72 when he died. All possible, but I like the feel of two John's better. Seems more likely. Roy also added this later thought which ties Thomas Clench and his son John to Ospringe, which is less than four miles north of Eastling. Roy's comments: "Re Pudwode: An obscure name, but whenever I google it I come to Ospringe, in Faversham Hundred, where there is a "de Pudwode" family from the 12th and 13th centuries. (Just as there are families called "de Borden" from 12th century Borden and a Robert de Bredgar" from Bredgar in the late 1300s.) Ospringe is 7 miles from Sittingbourne and about the same distance from Borden, so this is feasible. But, so far, I draw a blank on "Bunggiffield" and "Schmeliffield." I tried googling "Bungfield" and "Schmelfield." More from Roy on the subject of Ospringe: Dancy is not a common name in Kent. I suspect Robert Dancy was a tenant farmer, as he is not listed as a land owner and I do not think William Clinch would marry a labourer's daughter. I have been thinking about Clinch: Most of the land John Clenche inherited from Thomas (of Milton 1496) was in Milton Hundred - Sittingbourne, Newington, Chalkwell. But the 1/2 acre in Pudwode appears to be near Ospringe, in Faversham Hundred (William de Putwode witnessed a real estate deed in Ospringe on 20 Mar 1253; Philip, son of William de Putwode, granted 4s. of rent in Ospringe in reign of Edward II). If John inherited land in Faversham, this could be him: in the 14th year of King Henry VIII (22 April 1523 - 21 April 1524), John Clynch paid 4 pence (James Greenstreet, "Subsidy Roll for the Hundred of Faversham, for Ao 14 Henry VIII," Archaeologica Cantiana, Vol XII, 1878, p. 426). I think we are dealing with two generations: -John Clench Sr (about 1480 - 1532) inherited lands in Milton & Faversham Hundred -John Clench Jr (about 1505 - 1582) had lands in Eastling (Faversham Hundred) & Otterden 6. Mentions of Thomas Clenche: A. Mention in 1469 of Thomas Clenche per website Archaeologia Cantiana - Vol. 45 (1933) page 28 "George Holt. 20 Oct 1469. Buried in the churchyard. To the parish-priest 6d, parish-clerk 4d, the sacrist my red cloak. Wife Alice all utensils of my house. Dionise and Rose my daughters at their marriage each £3-6-8d. Ex'ors :—Thomas Clenche, William Coting to pay all debts. Wife dwell in my house for a year then have for life 20/- yearly. The tenement called Robys with all lands to my sons (no names) and daughters, if they die without lawful issue then be sold, the money :—to the highway between the churches of Iwade and Bobbing £13.6-8d, to a priest to celebrate for our souls 33-4d, the residue by discretion of Feoffees. [Probate 15 Feb. 1469-70.] (A. Vol. 1, fol. 313.)" B. Mention in 1488 of Thomas Clenche per website Archaeologia Cantiana - Vol. 44 (1932) page 89 "John Bull. 12 Oct. 1488. Buried in the churchyard. High altar for tithes 13-4d. John Langley 6-8c1. Repair of bad roads in Newington and Rainham 33-4d. Residue after debts paid to Matilda my wife and Ex'or. Wife have all goods in the house in which I dwell, also the tenement and all lands etc for life, except Harts barn with a garden and 9 acres called the Forde in Sayer field against a croft of Thomas Clenche, which Matilda to occupy until Agnes Bull my daughter be married, then Agnes have the same, if Agnes die before marriage or without lawful issue, then to Joan, Agnes, Alice my daughters and their lawful issue. Agnes Chalkelin at her marriage 3 acres of land in Borden Dane, if she die before then to my three daughters. If my daughters die then after the death of my wife, son Stephen have my tenement in which I dwell with all lands, the croft of Post Harts barn with pasture etc, 7 acres abutting on the Towns Mede, and to his lawful issue. After death of Matilda 8 acres in Sayerfield be sold the money to the painting of the Rood loft in Midelton church. The money for 1½ acres against Clifford's Mill to the Guild or Fraternity of St. James in the church for ever. The money from 1½ acres at the Hawthorn in Sayerfield, for the keeping of an Obit by' my Feoffees in the church for ever, and Stephen my son have supervision of the Obit whilst he lives, then the Vicar of Midelton and his successors have the land for ever to keep the Obit.1 After the death of my wife, then Agnes Thomas my daughter have 5 acres of land in Put Wood and to her lawful issue, paying to the Wardens of Sedingborne to buy one Antiphonar 16-8d. After the death of my wife Joan Chiche and Alice Wodeward have 5 acres in Norkis field and to their lawful issue. Joan my sister 6 acres in West land. Matilda my wife shall pay all my debts, legacies, etc, and find a secular priest to pray for my soul and friends for four years. Witnesses :—Dom. William Petyte vicar of Midelton [1487-1507], Dom Robert Tomson, Thomas Sole. [Probate 17 December 1488.] (A. Vol. 5, fol. 26.)" C. Mention in 1490 of Thomas Clenche per website Archaeologia Cantiana - Vol. 46 (1934) http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Pub/ArchCant/Vol.046%20-%201934/046-04.pdf> accessed 9 Feb 2016: Milton Wills (next Sittingbourne), by Arthur Hessey: "John Seman. 25 June 1490. Buried in the churchyard. Wife have my tenement to give or sell as it pleases her. Residue disposed for my soul by wife Joan my Ex'or. Witnesses :-Dom. John Perot, Thomas Clenche, John Flawne. [Probate 25 Sept 1490.] (A. Vol. 5, fol. 242.)" D. Mention in 1507 of Thomas Clenche per website Archaeologia Cantiana - Vol. 44 (1932) page 92 "Robert Burdon, of Chalkewell. 1 Feb. 1506-7. Buried in the churchyard. To the Wevars torches when they be disposed to make them 2/-. John Day my cousin and servant various household things. Daughters, Katherine and Agnes 20/- each. Lowes Burdon 40/- to find him to school. Residue after debts paid to wife Margaret who with sons Thomas and John my Ex'ors. Wife have tenement in which I dwell with two gardens in Chalkwell for life if she does not marry, then to sons Thomas and John and their lawful issue, in default to my next heirs. Son William a tenement bounding to the lands of the heirs of Clenche. Whoever have my tenement to keep for 20 years one Obit of 2/- yearly for my soul, parents, all the faithful departed. Witnesses :—Dom John Bryne curate, John Triple, William Raynolde. [Probate 20 May 1507.] (A. Vol. 10, fol. 246.)" 7. Jack Cade's Rebellion of 1450: A Database of Names of those Receiving Pardons, taken from Calendar of Patent Rolls Henry VI 5 (1909) pp. 338-374 accessed from https://familysearch.org. This spreadsheet of about 3449 persons was created by Merton Historical Society in September 2014, and is accessible at http://www.mertonhistoricalsociety.org.uk/index.php?cat=morden&sec=!rebels For more detail on this listing and the event see http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Pub/ArchCant/007%20-%201868/007-03.pdf Clinch: Thomas Clenche, Borden, Kent 8. The following extraction was made from the "Index to the Kent Lay Subsidy Roll of 1334/5," by H.A. Hanley, B.A. and C.W. Chalklin, M.A., B. Litt Clenche, Thos., 165 (Bailiwick of West in Middeltone [West in Milton]: Tenth). 9. Clenches mentioned in medieval real estate transactions. The first transaction lists a William and Agnes Clench with land in Hucking and Hollingbourne in 1492. These two parishes are 8 or so miles from Milton. Additionally we know that Thomas and Katherine of Milton had a son William who was married to Agnes (she later marries William Brett). Thomas' will is dated 1495 at which time we know William is dead and Agnes is remarried. I think it is a strong probability that this is the same couple and this transaction occurred just before William dies. The second transaction with the Bugges and Thomas Clench is also intriguing. Katherine, the wife of Thomas Clench, names a Katherine Bugg as a god-daughter in her will of 1503. I am not quite sure what to make of the term godchild in this instance. Did England ever follow the Continental practice (i.e. Lutherans) of having baptismal witnesses for whom the baby was named for? If not, does godchild denote some level of kinship? I think I have seen it before as a "grandchild" but I am not sure if that is a firm rule. Could then Felice Bugg of the transaction then be a possible daughter of Thomas and Katherine? The two transactions: A. http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_117A_345.shtml#116. CP 25/1/117A/345, number 116. Link: Image of document at AALT County: Kent. Place: Westminster. Date: Two weeks from St Hilary, 7 Henry VII [27 January 1492]. Parties: Peter Buntan', querent, and William Clenche and Agnes, his wife, deforciants. Property:1 messuage, 1 garden, 16 acres of land and 10 acres of pasture in Holyngbourne and Hokynge. Action: Plea of covenant. Agreement: William and Agnes have acknowledged the tenements to be the right of Peter, as those which he has of their gift, and have remised and quitclaimed them from themselves and the heirs of Agnes to him and his heirs for ever. Warranty: Warranty. For this: Peter has given them 20 marks of silver. Standardised forms of names. (These are tentative suggestions, intended only as a finding aid.) Persons: Peter Bunton, William Clench, Agnes Clench Places: Hollingbourne, Hucking B. http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_116_330.shtml#13. CP 25/1/116/330, number 13. Link: Image of document at AALT County: Kent. Place: Westminster. Date: Two weeks from St Michael, 2 Edward IV [13 October 1462]. Parties: John Bugge and Thomas Clenche, querents, and William Bugge and Felice, his wife, deforciants. Property: 1 messuage and 3 acres of land in Middelton' and Bo[rde?]n'. Action: Plea of covenant. Agreement: William and Felice have acknowledged the tenements to be the right of John, as those which John and Thomas have of their gift, and have remised and quitclaimed them from themselves and the heirs of Felice to John and Thomas and the heirs of John for ever. Warranty: Warranty to John and William [sic] and the heirs of John. For this: John and Thomas have given them 20 marks of silver. Standardised forms of names. (These are tentative suggestions, intended only as a finding aid.) Persons: John Bugg, Thomas Clench, William Bugg, Felice Bugg Places: Milton Regis, Borden SOURCES_MISC: 1. https://sites.google.com/site/ourkentishgenealogy/surnames/clinch accessed 11 Feb 2016. | Clench (I5099)
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| 5086 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This file is a catch-all file for general articles concerning Graybill origins. 2. FHL book 929.273 G795k "History of a John Graybill Family in America 1681-1981," by Spencer L. Kraybill and Noah L. Zimmerman, 2nd Edition, 1982, Baltimore, includes the following article entitled: "Studies on the Origin and Ancestry of the Graybill Family," by Edward Earl Reeves-Graybill - Spencerville, Maryland. This article does not deal directly with our branch of Graybills, but it does give a macro-view of the general Graybill migration from Switzerland into the Palatinate then to America. The following is more specific to the Pennsylvania Graybills: "The Graybills of Pennsylvania and Virginia and the later migrations to the South and West are the descendants of the Deutsche Schweiz (German-speaking Swiss), who being non-conformists were persecuted for their Anabaptist-Mennonite faith. They took refuge in the Palatinate, settling near the town of Mannheim, in the fertile and beautiful country on the bank of the Rhine. In the reign of Louis XIV, King of France, that country was devastated; during the winter of 1688-89 the French general ordered the peaceful settlers to leave their homes. In the meantime, William Penn had visited Germany, conferring with the Elector or Count Palatine about colonizing America. Through the efforts of Penn a large number of German and Swiss exiles migrated from the Palatinate to America, and settled in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, during the latter part of the 17th and early in the 18th century. Research on the original form and spelling of the surname "Graybill" has confirmed the family traditions that our ancestors were originally Swiss, later exiling themselves to the Palatinate, Germany; coming from there to Pennsylvania. The name undergoing a metamorphosis with each migration and change of culture. Levi Oscar Kuhns in his work, "Studies on Pennsylvania-German Family Names", gives an alphabetical list of current Pennsylvania-German names with both their German and their Anglicized forms. Graybill is Kraehenbuehl. The name Kraehenbuehl is found in Switzerland today and was used at the time of our ancestors as today with several variations: Kraehenbuehl, Kreyenbuehl, Krachenbuel, Krachenbuehl, Kreyenbuel, Krayenbuehl, Kreienbuehl, and Crayenbuehl. However, they all have the same literal meaning -- crowhill. Kraehen = crow, buehl = hill. Also from "Studies in Pennsylvania-German Family Names" by Kuhns, reprinted from Americana Germanica, 1902, I find on p. 15 (313) "... as the large part of Pennsylvania-German names are of Palatinate or Swiss origin, it may be assumed that the original bearer of the name was a native of one of the places given in Switzerland or the Palatinate." On p. 17 (315) place name - Kraehenbuehl, village in Aargau, Switzerland; pp. 32, 36 (330-34) Graybill = Kraehenbueh, Krehbiel, Kraehenbuehl; Krayenbuehl = Graybill, Grabill; Kraehenbuehl = Krayenbuehl, village in Aargau, Switzerland. In I. Imobersteg's Das Emmenthal nach Geschichte, Land und Leuten, Bern, Huber & Co., 1876; pp. 240-48, deals with families of the Emmenthal Valley region. Here the author classifies family names on the basis of their origins. Among family names derived from place of sojourn, residence, or home he lists Kreyenbuehl, Kraehenbuehl, from Krayenbuehl at Hoechstetten (p. 244). The only other reference in the chapter to the Kruehenbuehl family is on p. 247, where it is listed among the largest families in the community of Signau. From the "Lancaster County, Pennsylvania Historical Society," vol. 21, 1917, pp. 23-28; "The Homeland of the First Settlers in Lancaster Co." by Prof. Oscar Kuhns,[1] these notes: Krayenbuehls lived in the Canton of Bern, the beautiful valley of the Emmenthal, with the river Emme flowing between the green hills and by the flourishing villages of Langnau, Sumiswald, Lutzenfluh and others. This valley the ancestral home of thousands of our Lancaster County citizens -- Brechbuehls (Brackbills) came from a little place by the same name in the parish of Eriswyl; the Fluckigers came from Fluckigen, in the parish of Rohbach; Aeschlimann (Eshlemann) from Aeschlen, in the parish of Diessbach; Zurcher, from Zuerich; Neuenschwander (Newswanger) from Neuenschwand, in the parish of Eggiwyl; Krayanbeuhl (Graybill) from Krayenbuehl, in the parish of Huechstetten; Frankhauser from Frankhaus, in the parish of Trub, etc. The Swiss Reformed clergyman, Ernst Mueller, in his "Geschichte der Bernischen Taeufer," Frauenfeld, 1895, mentions on p. 80 Hans Kraehenbuehl of Signau (about 12 miles East of Bern) as one of the participants in the official disputation of Bern in March, 1538 which the "Swiss Brethren" (original name for the Swiss Anabaptists[2]) requested from their government. It is more than likely that Kraehenbuehl of the Bern disputation of 1538 belongs in the direct ancestry of the American Graybills. One who more than 400 years ago fought for one of the "four freedoms" even against a supposedly Swiss democratic government. Notice the changes in spelling of the name[3] as seen in the "Palatinate Mennonite Census Lists 1664-1774," which were edited from the originals in the State Archives at Karlsruhe, Baden, Germany by Harold S. Bender and printed in five parts from January 1940 to January, 1941 in "The Mennonite Quarterly Review," vols. xiv and xv. "The reason for the taking of the census is as follows: So far is known, all the Mennonites of the Palatinate originally immigrated into that region from Switzerland after the year 1650. In fact nearly all of them came after the year 1664. In that year (August 4, 1664) Elector Karl Ludwig granted a 'Concession', permitting Mennonites to settle in his territory under certain restrictions. The Mennonites were to pay an annual tribute of 6 florins per family. In order to determine whether the restrictions were being observed, and the tribute paid it was necessary to have frequent enumerations taken. The lists herein published are the official reports of these enumerations, so far as they have been preserved in the state archives. A summary discussion of the Mennonite migration into the Palatinate after 1664 and the status of the group is given by Dr. Correll (now at American University) in his book, "Das Schweizerische Taeit/ermennonitenutm," Tuebingen, 1925, pp. 75-100. See also the discussion in Dr. C. Henry Smith's book, "The Mennonite Immigration into Pennsylvania in the Eighteenth Century," Norristown, 1929, pp. 29-54. "In addition to the official census lists two similar lists of 1673 and 1731, prepared however by the Mennonites themselves for their brethren in Holland, have been added from the book by Ernst Mueller, "Geschichte der Bernischen Taeufer," published at Frauenfeld, Switzeland, in 1895." 1685 Peter Kreybuehl, so eine Frau mit 5 Kindern, 4 Soehne und 1 Tochter. (p. 15) 1685 Weierhof: Peter Greyenbuehl hat 8 Kinder, worunter 6 Soehne; 2 sind bei ihm verheirater, davon der eine Soehn, namens Ulrich 3 Kinder, der zweite, namens Peter, hat un Kind. (p. 19) 1717 Oberamt Olzey: Johann Krayenbuehl. (p. 20) 1717 Cro nau: Ulrich Crayenbuehl u. Hans Hoffen. (p. 21) 1724 Johannes Krehbill, ebenfalls ein Erbbestaender von Kloster Enkenbach, hat nichts Eigenes u. ist mit allen mit obigem gleichen Zusrandes und wohmen beide im Klosterhof. (p. 26) List of names from Ernst Mueller: "Geschichte der Bernischen Taeufer", pp. 209-212; "Taufgesinnte Gemeinden in der Oberplaz oberhalb Mannheim in November, 1731." (pp. 31-33) Kuechelhof: Peter und Jacob Kraehenbuehl, Mich. Kraehenbuehl, Diakon zu Dreschklingen. Mesingen: Samuel Kraehenbuehl. 1738 Schultheissere 'Alsenborn: Johannes Kreibuehl. (p. 39) 1739 Schultheiserey Alseborn: Johannes Kraibuehl. (p. 72) 1740 Schultheussery Alsebom: Johann Kraibuehl. (p. 76) 1742 Finden sich zu Alsenborn: Johannes Greybuehl. (p. 79) 1752 Eppstein: Jost Krehbuehl. (p. 177) 1759 Eppestein: Jost Krehbuehl. (p. 245) Translation of the article "Krehbiel" from Mennonitisches Lexikon, Christian Hege & Christ. Neff, editors, Frankfurt am Main und Weierhof (Pfals), 1937, vol. 2, p. 565: Krehbiel, a family name which is still today numerously found in many places among the Mennonites in Germany and in America. Originally it was written Crayenbuehl or Krachenbuel. The family originated from the parish Grosshoechstetten in Canton Bern in Switzerland. From there they emigrated in part during the time of persecution at the end of the 17th century. In the year 1682 Peter Krehbiel settled on the Weierhof near Bolanden, which at that time belonged to Kurpfalz. A Jost Krehbiel in 1709 bought the estate Pfrimmerhof in the community of Sippersfeld. A grandson of his emigrated to Galioia (Poland) in 1770 and fifteen years later from there to Russia, from which place his descendants in 1792 emigrated to America. In the later years descendants of the above mentioned Peter Krehbiel of the Weierhof also emigrated to America. Extract and translation from article: "Geschichtliche Beitraege aus den Pfaezer Mennonitengemeinden" by I. Sembach and published in "Christlicher Geemeinde Kalender," herausgegeben von der conferenz de sueddeutschen Mennoniten, Kaiserslautern, 1905, pp. 143-44: 24. No doubt the most comprehensive family history is that of the Krehbiel tribe (Crayenbuehl, Kraehenbuehl, originating from the parish Grosshoechstetten). For our purpose particularly those of Pfrimmerhof need to be considered. It was there that Jost Krehbiel settled in 1709. His descendants consist of two branches: Jacob or Michael branch and Johann Jacob or the branch of Jost. Of the latter there was also a line in the Deutschof-Geisberger community, which has died out in the meantime. The Michael's branch to this day continues strong on the original homestead, while the others carry on their lines of descendants in America and also in the church through three sons in different localities. Christian first married a woman by the name Eymann, then by his second marriage an Eichelberger on the Lohuehle thereby founding this line. Jacob was married first to a woman of the Flory family of Eisenberg, and by his second marriage with a Stauffer of Roxheim; his descendants have, with the exception of the Sembach line migrated to America. Heinrich married someone of the Wartenberge Mill, but died early. The oldest of his three sons remained at the mill, the second of them married someone of the original home at Pfrimmerhof and the third married someone at Obersuelzen. Of all three of these there are still descendants in those places. Two sons of the above named branch, Johannes and Joseph, had married at Weierhof. To Wartenberg and to the Eichenbach Mill there came about 173[torn] two bearers of this name from Weierhof. The latter of the two, Joh. Nikolaus, married a Wohlgemuth, his son married a Fellma; but his son and others of the grandchildren failed to prosper and had to give up their home. Brotherly love led his brethren in the faith to build him a little house in Rohrbach. His decendants in our church have practically died out. Another son of the Eichenbach moved to Fischbach, and of his descendants, some have migrated and others have died out. Of the first Krehbiel of Wartenberg three sons are known: Peter, who married a lady born Zuercher of Dimrotherhof (his line died out); Johannes, the just mentioned older, was married to a Brennemann of Friesenheim, but left no male offspring; Heinrich remained at the mill and was married to a Base. Five daughters and one son sprang from this union, but the son could not bear staying in Wartenberg. He removed to Neuwied, and died soon after his marriage at Stahlmuehle near Niederbiber. Then the above Heinrich Krehbiel of Pfimmerhof married someone of the mill. An additional Weierhof branch is our family Krehbiel in Potzbach; this branch originated from Donnersberg. Over and over again in our family one comes upon the name Kreibill of Alteiningen. This branch, which first migrated about 1710, and evidently from Eggiwyl, Switzerland, at the first settled in Eisenberg, from which place the founder of the Leininger line originated. The Leininger branch continues strong on the female side in the congregation at Obersuelzen as Krehbiel, while the other offshoots of the line have for the most part emigrated or have died out. H. P. Krehbiel in his "History of the Mennonite General Conference of North America," St. Louis, 1898, on p. 428 states: "Prominent among those to whom the General Conference is indebted is Christian Krehbiel. He was born on Oct. 18, 1832 at Weierhof, a small village romantically located at the foot of the Donnersberg in the Bavarian Palatinate. His parents, well to do farmer people, were John and Katherine Krehbiel. The ancestry like that of most Mennonites in Southern Germany, traces back to Switzerland. Under pressure of persecution one Jost Krehbiel (Kraehenbuehl) left Switzerland about 1671 and settled in Southern Germany. To him in the sixth generation Christian Krehbiel traces his descent." (Other Krehbiel sketches given in the same work.) "An interesting illustration of the way in which many names received an English form is seen in the 'Pennsylvania Archives,' second series, vol. xvii, which contains a list of German and Swiss settlers in Pennsylvania during the eighteenth century, the names of the vessels in which they came, and the dates of their naturalization. Often there are two lists given, one called the 'original list', which apparently was made by an English-speaking person, who took down the names as they were given to him orally, and who spelled them phonetically. These duplicate lists threw a great deal of light on the pronunciation of the names by the immigrants themselves. "Again when the German came to be naturalized many of them could not write their names, and the clerk of court had to take them down according to his own phonetic methods. Of course the spelling in such cases differed with the accuracy of hearing of the writer. "Sometimes the change was gradual, and we may trace many intermediate steps between the original name and its present form. Thus for Krehbiel we have Krehbill, Grebill, Grabill, and finally Graybill."[4] Thus we understand that after the settlement in the Palatinate the name was altered to Krehbiel, finally reaching the stage Graybill in Pennsylvania. Dean David B. Kraybill of West Virginia Institute of Technology had a biology professor at Franklin and Marshall College who was born and educated in Germany and who gave this meaning: "The name Krehbiel means wooded hill top where the crows gathered." Graybill has no meaning, but is a phonetic spelling of the orginal form Kraehenbuehl. In "A Century of Population Growth in the United States 1790- 1900," published by the U. S. Bureau of the Census in 1909, the following variations and statistics of the name appearing in the first census of 1790 are given on p. 242, "Nomenclature, dealing with names represented by at least 100 white persons, by states and territories:" "Graybill, Grabble, Grabell, Grabill, Grable, Graybil, Grabble, Grebill, Greble, Greybill, Grobil, Grubble." Average size of family 6.5; Heads of families 35; all the other members 193; Pennsylvania 27; Maryland 4; Virginia 3; North Carolina 1. "As a curious example of patronymical metamorphoses, the two names Coyner and Grabill[5] are cited. The former has been written in at least fifteen forms, namely: Coiner, Coynanr, Coyner, Kalinath, Kainath, Keinath, Keinodt, Keinet, Keynet, Kiner, Koinath, Koiner, Konet, Koynat, Kyner; the latter has been transformed even more frequently, and has appeared with the following variations: "Crabill, Creabill, Crebil, Crybile, Grabill, Graybill, Grebill, Grehbihl, Greebil, Gribel, Gribeler, Griebil, Grebil, Krabil, Krebill, Kreble, Krebull, Krehbiel, Krebiel, and Kriebel." To Waylands list and the census list of variations I might add the following: Crabel, Gaible, Grabel, Graybeal, Graybell, Graypiel, Graybiel, Greybil, Grebiel, Gribil, Krabill, Kraybill, Krebil, Krayebiel, Krebuel, Krebril, Krieble, Kribell, Kreibihl, Kriebiel, and Kriebihl. I have discovered about fifty modifications of the name in examining ecclesiastical, state and county histories, cemeteries, courthouse records, and oath of allegiance lists. All of the above variations and phonetic spellings of the name are not necessarily related or even had a common ancestor. It is especially well to keep in mind the old Swiss noble family of Grebel/Grebell. Conrad Grebel, 1498-1526, was educated in Basel, Vienna, and Paris. He was a co-worker with Ulrich Zwingli, and was an outstanding leader in the organization of the Swiss Brethren (Mennonites) in Zurich, Switzerland. Grebel and Kraehenbuehl are two entirely different Swiss families. Also the Schwenkfelder Kriebel-Krieble[6] has no connection. These early Krahenbuhl (Graybill) ancestors were members of the various religious sects of Anabaptists, Swiss Brethren, Mennonites, and German Baptist Brethren (Dunkards or Tunkers), now Church of the Brethren. The ecclesiastical records and histories of these peace churches all contain data on the Graybill family. The family it not only represented in the above faiths, bur has affiliated in most of the other great historical churches during the past one hundred and twenty five years. Extracts from Henry Frank Eshlemann's monumental work, "Annals of the Swiss & German Pioneer Settlers of South-Eastern Pa., and of their Remote Ancestors, From the Middle of the Dark Ages, Down to the Time of the Revolutionary War," Lancaster, Pa., 1917. 1538 Hochstetten & Signau Demand Another Religious Debate. "In Feb. and Mar. of 1538 says Muller (p. 79) a discussion on religion was demanded by the above towns... The minutes of this discussion are still extant in two copies in the State Archives in Bern... There were also present ... Hans Krahenbuhl (Graybill) ... all of Signau. Among these we find many names today familiar in Eastern Pa. All of which shows us where our ancestors were even before Columbus sailed on his voyage of discovery." (p. 48) 1621 Mennonite Families of Langnau, Switzerland. "Ernst Muller (p. 119-20) gives us the following list of Mennonites living at this time in and about Langnau. The names of these Mennonite ancestors of many of our present day Lancaster Co. and Eastern Pa. Swiss and German descendant families were: ... Anna Kreyenbuel or Graybill… "Among these it is not necessary to do more than call attention to the familiar Eastern Penna. Swiss names we f ind viz: Baumgardner; Probst or Brobst; Ruch, Yost, Raeber or Reber, Kreyenbuel or Graybill; Bixler, Gibbel; and Garber. Langnau is a city with a population of 7,000, about 18 miles directly east of Berne in the Emmen Valley, which valley extends from the northeast to the southeast of Berne." (p. 79) 1710 Scattered Items on Attempted Deportation to America. "It seems that two places where the Mennonites had been imprisoned were the 'Upper Jail' and on the 'Island'. Among those mentioned are... Christian Krayenbuhl of Norben... "These and other people were not able to do galley service, and therefore Berne asked the Baptist Chamber to see that they were sent to the East or West Indies and Penna." (p. 162) 1711 Joyous Swiss Mennonites into Holland. "A list of the prisoners incarcerated on Sept. 29, 1710, contains the following names: "In the upper hospital, men: ... Hans Kreybuhl ... (Muller, p. 294)." (p. 173) 1711 Exodus into Holland (Continued) "Hans Krenbuhl, hired man, of Diesbach, who had been imprisoned; ... also Peter Krahenbuhl, of Diesbach, thirty-seven years of age, Reformed, bis wife, Anna Wenger, thirty-eight years old, Baptist, and three sons from six to three years of age respectively. All these arrived in Amsterdam." (p. 186) Emigrants of 1711 Exodus Reach Lancaster Co. Eventually. "We have in a previous article given a description of the transportation of the Berne Mennonites down the Rhine in 1711. Kuhns[7] in his work (p. 46), calls attention to the fact that the names of many of those Swiss emigrants are identical with our Lancaster Co. names and those who went down the Rhine in 1710 are identical with our Lancaster Co. prominent names also. Among them he mentioned ... Krahenbuhl. All of these names -- which, more or less changed, are common throughout the state and county today -- are of Bernese origin. "This would argue that (while Muller does not trace any of these emigrants of 1711 to Lancaster Co.) many of them eventually reached this county." (p. 19) 1727 More Lands Taken Up By Our German-Swiss Brethren in the Susquehanna Valley. "... and Christian Graybill[8] were recommended by several old settlers to have land to settle upon at Conestoga ... all of these persons received the land which they asked for very shortly after their request." (p. 226) 1731 Names of Swiss Mennonites in Upper Rhine Valley This Year. "Muller (p. 209 et seq.) gives the following persons as those constituting the Swiss Mennonite congregations above Mannheim in the Palatinate in the year 1731: "The congregation on the Buechelhoff two and a half hours from Wempen on the Neckar to the northwest: ... Peter and Jacob Kraehenbuehl ... Nich Krahenbuhl, deacon at Dreschkilngen. "The congregation in Wesingen two hours from Dudack eastward ... Samuel Kraehenbuehl." (p. 237-38) 1745 Swiss Wanderings in Germany and France. "At the bottom of p. 247 (Muller) says also, speaking of the year 1745, that on the 22nd of February in Perry, which seems to be a town in the Palatinate near the French border, there were fifteen Swiss families at that time, who had migrated from Switzerland. "Among others were ... and Witley Grenhenbuhl (Graybill) in Trauschenwald." (p. 293) 1750 Mueller on Origin of Weaverland District. "Ernst Mueller, historian, whom we have mentioned so frequently, seems to have kept track of the movement of the Mennonite Church in America, and seems to have studied the history of it carefully. Page 368 in his book he says in the Weaverland District, Christian Burkhold was in 1750, the first bishop; and we also find ... Krebill[9] (Krahenbuhl) among the pioneers of that district." (p. 310) Hans Jacob Lew's "Schweitzerisch Lexicon," Zurich, 1756, contains the following reference to Kreyenbuel in theile XI on p. 209: An extinct family in Lucerne, out of which is Hans A. 1573, prefect of Malter. Extract from "Historisch-Biographisches Lexikon der Schweiz," Nerenburg, 1927, vol. 4, p. 545 (German edition) or "Dictionnaire Historique et Biographique" de la Suisse, Neuchatel, 1928, vol. 4, p. 398 (French edition): Kreyenbuhl-Kraehenbuehl -- families originating in the Lucerne region (14th century), from Sursee region (15th century), from Willisa region (16th century); also from Muri (Aargau) and Wiggwil. Anton Kreyenbuehl, surgeon, was mayor of Lucerne in 1424 Alexander Hans Kreyenbuhl of Meienberg (Lucerne) was a stained glass painter (1551). Vincenz Kreyenbuhl, 1836-1925, was priest in 1864, editor of the "Monats Rosen," "Vaterland," "Lucerner Volksblatt." He was a canon at the "Hof," the Abbey of Lucerne. Footnotes: 1. See also the excellent articles by Kuhns entitled "Switzerland Plays a Part in the Founding of the American Nation," "Some Lancaster County Names From the Canton of Bern;" in the National Genealogical Quarterly, vol. viii, no. 3, Oct. pp. 33-34, 39-41; "A Genealogical Trip to Switzerland," "The Emmenthal Canton Bern;" from the Pennsylvania-German, vol. vii, 1906, pp. 311-312; vol. xi, 1910, pp. 372-376. 2. Anabaptist. Eccl. Hist. One of a party arising in 1523 in Zurich, Switzerland which rejected infant baptism, held the church to be composed of true Christians baptized on confession of faith, and advocated separation of church and state. 3. John Horsch in his book, "Mennonites in Europe," Scottdale, Pa., 1942, pp. 383-384; "Names of Swiss Mennonite Refugees in the Palatinate after 1664 who also came to Pennsylvania" -- Crayenbuehl, Kraybill, Kreybuel. 4. "Origin of Pennsylvania Surnames" by Levi O. Kuhns, Lippincott's Magazine, vol. 59, March 1897, p. 396. 5. John W. Wayland: "German Element of the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia," Charlottesville, 1907, p. 101. 6. Elmer E. S. Johnson, Custodian of the Schwenkfelder Historical Library has stated: "To the best of our knowledge we cannot find any connection between the Graybill, Krehbiel, etc. families and our Schwenkfelder Kriebels. The families you mention in every instance are of Mennonite or Dunker persuasion, and so far as my knowledge goes, have had no connection with the Silesian Schwenkfelder Kriebel family." 7. "The German & Swiss Settlements of Colonial Pennsylvania: A study of the So-Called Pennsylvania Dutch," Henry Holt & Co., New York, 1901. 8. See Pennsylvania Archives, vol. 19, 3rd series, p. 751. 9. Among the first Mennonites in Snyder and Juniata Counties (Pa.) was John Graybill (Krahenbuhl) 1774. (Muller: chapt. 22, "Schweizerische Mennoniten in Nordamerika.") 3. FHL book 929.273 G795k "History of a John Graybill Family in America 1681-1981," by Spencer L. Kraybill and Noah L. Zimmerman, 2nd Edition, 1982, Baltimore, pp. 44-45, provides the following background information on the Mennonites, Amish, and the migration influences leading from Switzerland to Pennsylvania. This portion of the book deals with an ancestor of the authors named Jacob Hofstedler, which is of no interest to us even though the general pattern gives us a big picture into which our Graybill may fit: "The Mennonites .... opposed infant baptism, and the news from Muenster was hailed with joy by the Anabaptists throughout Switzerland; but they soon learned their mistake. Except baptism the Muenster people had nothing in common with Menno Simon and his adherents. On the contrary, they attempted to establish a church by force of arms, and in their fanaticism committed crimes too horrible to mention. After a desperate resistance they were crushed, but the event was most unfortunate to the Taeufer for many years. It so prejudiced many well-meaning people against all Anabaptists that their persecutions were sanctioned for a long time. After the Reformed Church had been fully established in Holland, the Mennonites, as they were called, were tolerated, and later under William, Prince of Orange, received full protection. That government and other countries along the Rhine sometimes interceded with the authorities of Switzerland in behalf of these unfortunate people who from time to time left Switzerland, sometimes being driven away, and settled in Alsace, Hessia, as well as in Holland, until the settlement of America attracted their attention. The Amish The Amish church derives its name from Jacob Amman of the Bernese Alps, who lived over one hundred years later than Menno Simon, and believed that the church should return to earlier and stricter customs and practices, from which many in his time had departed. Especially did he urge a stricter observance of the ban, or the "avoidance" and "shunning" of those who had been excommunicated by the church. Amman and his followers were opposed by Hans Reist, who defended the usages of the church. There were many earnest discussions between these parties through the Oberland and Emmanthaler regions. Amman introduced among his followers the full beard and the using of hooks and eyes instead of buttons on men's clothes, as had been the custom in the time of Menno Simon, especially in Belgium. The feeling between these two parties was very bitter, and as late as 1711, when many of both parties were driven out of Switzerland, they refused to use the same boat in the journey down the Rhine. In 1700 Amman and some of his followers wrote to Reist to secure a reconciliation, and among the signers are the names Isak Kauffman and Christian Black, family names very common among the Amish of today. The division between the followers of Amman and Reist have never been healed, but has been transplanted to America and other countries. The Amish church originated in the Canto of Bern and from there its members went into Alsace-Loraine and the Palatinate, and from these places many of the members of that church have come to America. Our ancestor, Jacob Hochstetler, was of the Amish church, but it is not known whether he came to America from the Palatinate, or from Switzerland through the Palatinate or Rhine provinces. The accounts among the descendants of his son Christian state that our ancestor "was born in the Highlands of Germany along the Rhine." Settlement in Pennsylvania After William Penn had purchased, in 1682, from the British Crown the province of Pennsylvania, he went to the mainland of Europe to solicit settlers for his colony and found most ready acceptance from the Mennonites, whom he had previously visited as a representative of the Quakers. He visited Holland and the countries along the Rhine, where he found many Mennonites and Amish longing for a change. The inducements held out to them prompted many to emigrate to America, likewise many other Germans. The first Swiss Amish to settle in America had years before emigrated to Alsace, Hessia and the Palatinate. Some of the Jotters (Yoders), Oeschs, Gingerichs, Schlabachs and others, when coming to America spoke the Hessian dialect, but were originally Swiss. After about the year 1700, the Swiss Amish sometimes made their way direct to our country. Traveling at that time was tedious and crossing the ocean hazardous and a journey from Switzerland to America required the greater part of a summer, an average ocean passage requiring about fifty days. The Registration Law So successful were the efforts made by the proprietors of Pennsylvania to secure settlers and so ready were the oppressed Mennonites of Europe to avail themselves of the advantages offered in America that many thousands found homes in the new land. The Germans, Swiss and Palatinates came in such numbers that the Provincial authorities became uneasy and finally, September 27th, 1727, passed an ordinance requiring the captains of ships to report the names and ages of their passengers, the place from which they came and state whether they came with intentions of becoming good citizens of the Province. They also required the men over sixteen years of age to sign a declaration of allegiance to the Province. This law makes it possible for many thousands of American citizens to know the name and date of arrival of their immigrant ancestors. These lists have been published in the Pennsylvania Archives, Series 2, Vol. 17, also in Rupp's Names of 30,000 immigrants. Many of these lists are preserved in the department of Archives, in the State library at Harrisburg. Unfortunately the printed lists are not always accurate. Our Ancestor From the year 1728 for about nine years was a period of quite active persecution of the Amish and Mennonites both in Switzerland and the Palatinate. It is not known whether our ancestor left the old world as a direct result of these persecutions, or whether he joined the steady line of immigrants that came to better their conditions in America. Nor do we know the place from which he came. When he declared his allegiance to the Province, the entire company of 151 men were said to be from the Palatinate, upon the Rhine and places adjacent. The term Palatine was used to include the Swiss who had come down the Rhine through the Palatinate or Rhine Province. The captain of the ship reported that his vessel began its voyage at Rotterdam in Holland. One naturally inquires whether there are at Rotterdam any records of the previous residences of immigrants who there embark. The American Consul there wrote in answer to inquiry, that such records are now kept, but go back only about fifty years..." | Graybill (I5201)
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| 5087 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This individual and marriage per Family Tree accessed 22 Apr 2013 per contribution of John Erik Nystrup Sundahl of Denmark E-mail address lds@johnsundahl.dk. | Christensdatter, Cidsel (I1015)
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| 5088 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This individual has the following entries in the Ancestral File: Katrina Micklesen (AFN:BBPQ-2K) and Katrena Mickelsen (AFN:CCQZ-58); they are incorrect as compared to information which is derived direct from parish records. BIOGRAPHY: 1. Also known as Mikkelsen. BIRTH: 1. Helligsø Parish Records, Danish Microfiche C124.4 plate 2 page 64, Viborg, Denmark Archives. Copy in files. CHRISTENING: 1. Viborg, Denmark Regional Archives; Helligsø Parish Records; microfiche C124.4 plate 2, p. 64. Sponsor: The wife of Peder Sondergaard Else Jensdatter; smallholder Jeppe Lauritsen and his wife Kirsten Christensdatter; farmer Poul Madsen; pensioner Poul Norgaard; all from Helligsø. Parents Michel Christensen and Ane Kirstine Madsdatter. MARRIAGE: 1. Helligsø Parish Records; Notes Poul Pedersen as one of the witnesses. Copy in files. DEATH: 1. Per 11 Aug 2003 email from Fred Westergard BURIAL: 1. See death citation. | Mickelsen, Maren Catherine (I2634)
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| 5089 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This individual has the following entry in the LDS Ancestral File: Karen Maria Christensen Westergard (AFN:3RPB-8L) and Karen Marie Christensen Westergard (AFN:1JDW-BS). BIRTH: 1. FHL film # 053243; Visby Parish Record, 1814 - 1872, book 3, p 70. 2. Viborg, Denmark Regional Archives; Visby parish records; microfiche C118.3 plate 3 page 70. CHRISTENING: 1. FHL film # 053243; Visby Parish Record, 1814 - 1872, book 3, p 70. DEATH: 1. FHL film # 053243; Visby Parish Record, 1814 - 1872, book 3, p 214. 2. Viborg, Denmark Regional Archives; Visby parish records; microfiche C118.3 plate 7 page 214. BURIAL: FHL film # 053243; Visby Parish Record, 1814 - 1872, book 3, p 214. SOURCES_MISC: 1. Archive Record Family Group Sheet submitted by Fermen J. Westergard, 2059 Van Buren Ave., Ogden Utah 84403. He references: "Film 9025 9024 Census paper 1840, 1845, 1850, 1855, and Fam. Rec." 2.Per gedcom dated 6 Jan 1999 of Wayne Westergard, 785 W 1300 South, Woods Cross, Utah 84087,(801) 295-2906. | Christensdatter, Karen Marie (I2633)
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| 5090 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This individual is created solely as a repository for my research notes into the possible ancestry of the Winners and other very early New Jersey Winners. In reviewing these notes, be aware that Ocean county was created from the lower half of Monmouth county in 1850. Atlantic was created from the southern half of Gloucester in about 1830. Camden was also created from the northwest part of the remaining Gloucester County. Hudson was created from the southern part of Bergen county. Burlington was a wedge between Monmouth and Gloucester counties with the Atlantic tip eventually becoming part of the newer Ocean county. 2. We have results of DNA testing comparing the southern NJ Winners to Dutch Winnes which confirms the two families are not related! Some emails on the subject: A. 7 May 2012 email from Roger Winner, a direct descendant of Pieter Winne, has who had done a DNA test. He notes: "I have spent much time researching all early Winners but in particular my Pieter Winne lines. In all of my research I have not found anything suggesting a common ancestor for the two lines. ... I am in the direct male line descending for Pieter ..." B. 9 May 2012 email from Roger Winner C. From an ancestry.com message board http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.winne/231.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx of 2009 from a Judith Winner: "Family cemetery in Pike Co,Illinois shows John Winner (b Jan. 18, 1787, d Aug. 9, 1860). DOD may be Aug 18,1860. Family history says he was from Hamilton, Ohio. Married Hester Mason, etc. My husband Richard Winner has a 37 dNa marker match with Maurice D. (Mike) Winner, Jr., from Gloucester Co., NJ. His line is Maurice D. Sr 1904-1974, Lawrence C. - 1874-1943, James R. - 1850-1929, Joseph Winner - 1822 - 1895." D. 19 Sep 2012 email from Judy Winner Richard's line is: John Winner (1787-1860) Samuel Winner (10-13-1810 10-15-1882) Thomas Winner (7-5-1849/after 1920) Samuel Eaves Winner (12-24-1873 - 1918-1920?) Warren Thomas Winner (6-25-1903/7-28-1988) Richard D. Winner (1947 -) I have emails from Roger rlwhershey@att.net who we shared dNa results which I will forward. [See above email from Roger dated 9 May 2012] Asked Richard's 70+ sister where her father lived (Warren) and she said on Dutch Creek. This is in Pike Co, IL where the Winner Cemetery is located. [Copy of DNA certificate and results in image file. Test results for Richard D. Winner by Family Tree DNA dated 9 Jul 2008. DYS #/Allele: 393/13, 390/24, 19-394/14, 391/11, 385a/11, 385b/13, 426/12, 388/12, 439/12, 389-1/13, 392/13, 389-2/29, 458/17, 459a/8, 459b/10, 455/11, 454/11, 447/24, 437/15, 448/19, 449/29, 464a/14, 464b/15, 464c/17, 464d/17, 460/10, H4/10, YCA-11a/19, YCA-11b/23, 456/15, 607/16, 576/17, 570/17, CDYa/38, CDYb/38, 442/12, 438/12] E. Email from Kris Winner, F. 19 Sep 2012 email from me to Judy, Roger, Kris, and Karen Winner: "Your husband's DNA tests against Maurice Winner and Roger Winner confirm my research. I have no DNA tests to add since I am not of the Winner surname, but I do have extensive historical research which anticipated and surmised what you have found. Many have suspected, but I believe I am the first to come to the firm conclusion that the southern NJ Winners come from Bucks Co., PA and not the Dutch Winne line... Your second email today notes that Roger Winner, a confirmed descendant of Pieter Winne, has compared his DNA and it does not match your husband's, which I would have expected... Finally we have proof that the lines are not the same even though dozens of researchers have spent lifetimes on the subject. There continues to be much bad reporting connecting these two lines. We can now move beyond all that. Your exact match to Maurice Winner is no surprise to me... Kris has not provided me an exact ancestral line; however, you mention on your board posting: "His line is Maurice D. Sr 1904-1974, Lawrence C. - 1874-1943, James R. - 1850-1929, Joseph Winner - 1822 - 1895." The 1822 Joseph is a generation or two removed from the earliest Winners I connect, but he is definitely in our mix. I believe he may be the son of Joseph Winner, b. 1803, who had a brother John and Amos. Their father is in turn John Winner who married Millicent Mapes (and also married Hannah Carr before Millicent). This John is my database and has probably 3 brothers and 1 sister (all of which you will see on my database). Their father, I believe, is our first surmised ancestor Isaac Winner (1733-1781) who married Rebecca ___, all of Bucks Co. Of John's brothers, one was Isaac (Jr) (1755 Bucks Co., PA - 1819 Monmouth Co., NJ) who married twice. He is the progenitor of the all the Southeast NJ Winners. His first wife was Hannah Searls, who had several children including your John Winner who married Hester Mason ... The fact that your husband's DNA and Maurice's match would put the common ancestor at the original Isaac Sr. of Bucks Co. - who is the earliest ancestor I have surmised thus far. Now that the linkage is more certain, it would be good for you to continue to compare with other Bucks Co. Winner descendants. Isaac Sr. had another son James who stayed in the area and has numerous descendants in Lycoming Co., Pennsylvania. I would be great to test against that major branch and proof would be outstanding icing on the cake. I have emailed Karen Winner of the James Winner line with a copy of this email (she has also reviewed my research paper) and perhaps she can locate a suitable candidate on her branch for DNA testing." G. 19 Sep 2012 email from Roger Winner (of the Winne line). He gives me his DNA test results which were done by Ancestry.com. Location/value: 19a/14, 19b/-, 385a/11, 385b/11, 388/12, 389-I/13, 389-II/30, 390/25, 391/11, 392/13, 393/13, 426/12, 437/15, 438/12, 439/12, 441/14, 442/17, 444/12, 445/12, 446/14, 447/24, 448/19, 449/30, 452/31, 454/11, 455/11, 456/16, 458/16.2, 459a/9, 459b/10, 460/11, 461/12, 462/11, 463/25, 464a/15, 464b/15, 464c/17, 464d/17, 464e/-, 464f/-, GGAATI-B07/10, YCA-IIa/19, YCC-IIb/21, Y-GAFA-A10/15, 635/23, Y-GATA-H4.1/22. Also notes that he is of the paternal haplogroup R1b. 3. "The Ancestry & Descendants of James Winner of Sussex Co., N.J. & Lycoming Co., Pa.," first edition; Editor: Ernestine Siegel, 1906 Watrous Avenue, Tampa, Florida, 33606; 1969; revised 1970; privately printed with copy in my possession, Preface, pp. 1-15, and Bibliography. She has collected a tremendous amount of information and identified the early Winners centered around Bucks County in Southeast Pennsylvania near Philadelphia and in the adjoining western counties of New Jersey just across the the state line formed by the Delaware River. She gives some generic information on the antiquity of the Winner name before providing a comprehensive listing of what is known to date on all early Winners in our targeted geographic area. I believe she has probably found all of them; however, the connections between each of them is obscure and subject to speculation. Like myself, she has concluded that there is no connection to the Dutch New York Peter Winne family. Even though there is no proof, she has taken the premise that the family legend of an original Capt. James Winner (of the "Wasp") has merit and that he had at least four sons/branches (John, James, Joseph, and Thomas) and potentially a fifth son/branch (Samuel). From there she develops some of these branches while just placing some "strays" where perhaps they may eventually fit subject to additional research. Some of the Winners are too late to be of interest to us except as perhaps a DNA pathway back when more DNA-tested Winners are available. As for our earliest ancestor, Isaac Winner who married Rebecca, Ms. Siegel cannot identify his precise parents, but she places him as a "stray" on the John Branch with the caveat that he seems associated with the Samuel who may be a separate fifth branch (perhaps as a brother or son?). Even though speculative, she has generally done a better job than anything else in print at providing some potential order to the early Winners. She acknowledges that many vital NJ records were destroyed in the Revolutionary War. She also recommends that: "Straightening out the Winner family tree will be a long tedious job for someone, for only by extensive search of colonial church records in both Pa. and N.J. can the various relationships be settled." The transcript: "PREFACE. The Winner Family Tree on the following pages is a compilation from many sources, as can be seen by the Bibliography. However, my personal interest began when I inherited a handwritten manuscript of Harold Collins, who died in 1927 in Williamsport, Pennsylvania. Later, my Winner relatives around Williamsport sent me copies of two manuscripts, one written by Rev. Jackson Winner in 1928, and one written by Mrs. Mabelle Winner Harrington in 1947. The information contained in these three manuscripts is found in Part II of this book [which deals exclusively with James Winner who married Mary Parker and Mary Kester and his descendants]. To my knowledge, there has never been a complete Winner genealogy printed, although the earliest emigrant is said, by legend, to have been in the Delaware River area by 1700. One of our greatest handicaps in researching this family has been the fact that so many colonial records in Now Jersey were destroyed during the Revolutionary War... PART I. The WINNERS of BUCKS CO., PA and NEW JERSEY. Origin of The Name. The Rev. Charles A. Bardsley in his "English Surnames", London, 1898, stated that the indigenous English Winner name was shortened from WINNOWER, meaning a person who separated the chaff from the grain. Thus it is classified as an occupational name. It is rare in England and America - today there are only 12 Winners listed in the London Directory, and most probably they are not all of English origin. The London Society of Genealogists lists only one Winner will - that of Henry, yeoman of Kent in the 1500s In England in the 1500s, there were other Winners of both German and French origin, the latter being an anglicization of VYNER, VINER, WINER, meaning those engaged in the occupation of grape growing and brewing. According to Prof. J.K. Brechenmacher's "Etymologies..." Germany, 1957, the German WINNER comes from the middle-high German WUNNE, and a Kuntz Winner was recorded as early as 1404 at Immenstaad, Uberlingen. The German WUNNER was derived from WUNRE, and a Detman Wunner was recorded 1440 as Presbyter to Barth.) At the time of the 1790 census in the United States, there were Winners in America of English, Dutch and German origin. Generally speaking, the "Dutch" Winners stem from the WINNIE, WINNE family of New York, the emigrant ancestor being Peter Winne who was born in Flanders and came to America in 1648. One claim has been made that he was of English origin since there were Winnes in England in the early 1600s. Another is that he was descended from the Dutch Van Wynnes (a place name). It is more likely that Peter Winnie's ancestors were Germans who had migrated on the advent of Protestantism. According to Brechenmacher, the German WINNE is a derivative of WINMar, and a Heintz Winne was recorded 1357 at Astheim, Hesse. The first record of WINMar is John Winmari at Kassel 1298. (The name WINEMar is found in the Domesday Book of England.) Many German Winners in America today stem from still other names, such as WENNER, WENNAUR, WEINER, WEIGNER in colonial Bucks Co., Pa., and Northampton, Northumberland, and Lancaster Cos. It should also be mentioned here that the Welsh WYNNE, WINNE family which came with William Penn is often confused with the Dutch Winne family; however, I have never seen a case where a Welsh Wynne changed his name to Winner. In the case of the Dutch and German families, the adoption of the spelling WINNER after migration to America was simply an anglicization of the name, aided on by English scribes. Adding to the confusion of the present day genealogist, the DAR Patriot index lumps together under the English surname WINN (meaning field), various Revolutionary soldiers who stem from the Dutch Winnie family, the Welsh Wynne family, the English Winner family, etc. The precedent for this practice is found in English general armories which have in the past gathered together - because few people used them - an arbitrary conglomeration of rare names such as WINNER, WINNERAWE, WINNEROE, WINNARD, WINART, WYNER, WINNERY, WHINNERAR, WINNERE, etc., regardless of meaning or national origin. Frankly, it saved paper, ink and time to do so. For instance, WYNER in addition to meaning grape brewer, can also mean "a friend"; WHINNERAH a place name, etc. The family to whom these pages are devoted is classified English. The ancestor of James Winner of Lycoming Co. was by family tradition one Capt. James Winner (that spelling), a privateer who sailed from England to the Delaware River about 1700 and settled on the New Jersey shore across from Philadelphia in the Rancocas Creek (Burlington Co.) area. Descendants have consistently used the spelling Winner and they did not use Dutch or German Christian names for their children as did the descendants of the WINNIE and WENNER families up to and beyond 1800. They displayed English "life style". Since the information on Page 11 concerning Abraham Winner of Mt. Holly, N.J. conflicts with the DAR use of his service record for Abraham Winnie of Essex Co., N.J., I am including the Winnie Line in part: 1. Peter Winnie, d. 1693, married 2. Tanneke Adams 2. Martin Winnie, b. 1657, married Margaret Van Horn 3. Peter Winnie, b. 1698 married Leah Spier 4. Abraham Winnie 1728-1786 married Helletie Jerolman 5. Nicholas Winner married Sara Francisco. This is a good example of continued use of Dutch Christian names. COAT of ARMS. The English Winner coat of arms is found in the Victorian County Histories, Volume 6* (*Obviously incorrect, as furnished by International Ancestry Guild, London) for County Essex. It was granted in 1612 to Capt. John Winner of Thaxted, Essex Co., England - a gold shield with three blue scallops indicating a sea faring family. A search of the parish records of that time shows no Winner man, indicating that John Winner must have attended either the Baptist or Quaker church in Thaxted. The OriginAL Immigrant - CAPT. James WINNER of NEW JERSEY. Capt. James Winner was also a sea-faring man, engaged in the then legal business of privateering, commanding a small craft named the "Wasp". According to family legend he settled on the Jersey side of the Delaware River across from Philadelphia about 1700, and died in his seventies about 1725. His surviving wife is remembered to have burned his ship's log and papers upon his death, and one wonders if she was not a second wife, since the act obviously created a stir among his children. As far as can be determined, he had four sons - John, James, Joseph, and Thomas - and possibly a fifth, Samuel. Straightening out the Winner family tree will be a long tedious job for someone, for only by extensive search of colonial church records in both Pa. and N.J. can the various relationships be settled. The New Jersey Winners trekked to Pennsylvania, and the Pa. Winners went back to New Jersey, generation after generation. Members of the same family were Quakers, Baptists, Episcopalians, Dutch Reformed Church, etc. BRANCH ONE - The MIDDLETOWN and MAKEFIELD WINNERS. John WINNER of MIDDLETOWN TOWNSHIP, BUCKS CO., PA. On May 24, 1725 a bill of charges was levied against a certain person for "unlawfully removing John Winner's mare and selling her at Bristol Pound." The bill was levied at Middletown - another source states Winner was living at Newtown at the time. We believe this John Winner is the same man who in 1743 as a Quaker in Philadelphia Co., Pa. stated his allegiance to the Pa. Government to become a naturalized citizen. John Winner of Middletown was a weaver by trade and died there in 1746. His estate settlement dated October 14, 1748 - Bucks Co. File 625 - mentions his son John Jr. and daughter Didwell. Didwell, widow of Benjamin Field of Middletown Twp. was named administratrix, with John Woolston as fellow bondsman. Inventory was made by Euclyous Longshore and Joseph Wa1ker. (Benjamin Field had been a Pa. Assemblyman between 1738 and 1745.) John WINNER II of LOWER MAKEFIELD TOWNSHIP. This John Winner moved to Lower Makefield Twp., Bucks Co., Pa: and was taxed there in 1779 as the owner of 10 acres. He died in 1791, leaving a will - Bucks Co. File 2356 - dated 3rd day of 1st month, 1791, showing his Quaker affiliation. The will mentions his daughter Didwell, wife of John Smith; his daughter Rachel, wife of Jacob Watson; two grandsons, Levi and John Terry, sons of John Terry "formerly of Middletown"; and five sons - Samuel, John, David, Joshua, and Moses. Sons Samuel and John were executors; witnesses were John Loon, Richard Lelle and Peter Van Horn. Samuel WINNER of LOWER MAKEFIELD. In 1775 Samuel was recorded in Lower Makefield Twp. as a singleman, and a "non-associator", being a Quaker whose church did not allow him to bear arms. He had the choice given by the government to furnish a substitute or pay fines, but he could be disowned by his church for doing either. (Pa. Arch. Ser. 2, Vol. 14, p. 242.) The same year an older Samuel was living in Middletown Twp. - more of this Samuel later. The 1790 census of Pa. shows Samuel Winner of Lower Makefield as a married man with Children. It also shows a younger Samuel there. John WINNER III (called Jr.) of LOWER MAKEFIELD. This man was taxed in Lower Makefield Twp. as a singleman in 1782 and 1783. In 1789 he is taxed in Middletown Twp. on a house and lot. It would seem that this would be the John Winner shown on the 1790 Pa. Census. Genealogical Society of Pa. Publications Vol 12, p. 163 shows Ursula Winner, "daughter of John of Middletown", marrying at Newtown in 1826 to Richard Bateman, s/o John Bateman. DAVID and JOSHUA WINNER of LOWER MAKEFIELD Both these brothers appear as weavers on the 1789 tax list of Lower Makefield Twp. David was listed as a non-associator in 1781-3 - it should be remembered that 16 year old boys were eligible for service in the Bucks Co. Associator Companies. David and Joshua appear as heads of families on the 1790 Pa. Census in Lower Makefield. MOSES WINNER of LOWER MAKEFIELD Moses appears as a singleman in 1789 on the Lower Makefield tax list. According to "The Kirk Family" by Roberts, 1912, Moses married Elizabeth Twining and they were disowned by the Quakers in 1792. They wore reported to have had a large family, Moses does not appear on the 1790 census. OTHERS WINNERS IN The MIDDLETOWN-MAKEFIELD AREA. James WINNER of LOWER and UPPER MAKEFIELD. This man is closely associated with the above listed Winners all his life, but we are not sure that he belongs to the same branch. Since he named his son Joseph and since he served as a soldier in the Revolutionary War, he may belong to the branch of Joseph of Bristol. This James is first found August 19, 1775, serving as a private in the Lower Makefield 3rd. Associators Co. under Capt. Peter Van Sant (Pa. Arch. Ser. 2, Vol. 14, p.151). Thus if he had been born in the Quaker church, he would have been disowned for performing military service. In 1787 he is taxed as a married man in Lower Makefield. On the 1790 Pa. Census, he appears as a married man in Upper Makefield Twp. He died in 1795 in Warwick Twp - Bucks Co. File 2656. On December 31, 1796, his widow Sophia renounced her right to be administrator of his estate and recommended Nathaniel Huston of Middletown to be administrator. Patrick Hunter and Daniel Martin of Newtown were fellow bondsmen. Job Winner of Upper Makefield and Joseph Houghton were witnesses. The estate was settled in 1798, appraisers being Joseph Barton and William Lee. Inventory mentions a Sara Winner, Isaac Hicks (a J.P.), William, Joseph, Samuel and John Lovett and others. On May 4, 1794, a petition had been filed in Orphans Court - File 1070 - wherein Joseph Winner, a minor above the age of 14, son of James, chose Peter Booz as guardian. JOB WINNER of UPPER WAKEField This man is recorded in the Docket of Isaac Hicks, J.P. Bucks Co., as living in Newtown Twp. and marrying on May 17, 1795 to Margaret Brister of Newtown. In 1796 he appears as a witness on the estate of James of Warwick and thus may have been his brother. In 1819 "Mr. Job Winner of Bucks Co, Pa, was married at Trenton, N.J. on April 5th to Miss Mary Roberts of Bucks Co." In 1825 George Winner, "son of Job of Upper Makefield" was married at Newtown, Pa. to Rebecca Loree, d/o William Loree of Lower Makefield, according to Gen. Soc. of Pa. Publications, Vol 12, p. 163. On the 1850 Bucks Co. Census, George Winner age 45 was farming in Rockhill Twp. with wife Catherine, daughter Maryann, sons John and Levi. A Matilda Soliday was also living on the farm. Also living in Rockhill Twp. in 1850 is the family of John W. Winner age 23, wife Anna Margaret and son Allen. By the time of the 1850 census, only two Winners were living in Lower Makefield: Sara age 40, a housekeeper in the home of Charles White. (She is said to have married White and survived him upon his death in 1871.) A child Elizabeth Winner age 10 was living in the home of Joseph and Martha Neeld, ages 76 and 68 respectively. In 1850 in Upper Makefield were two Winner families: William age 37 with wife Anna Eliza and children Lydia Ann, Abner, Christopher, and Samuel. Also Elias age 27 with wife Ann, children William and Margaret, and a Samuel Winner age 12. SAMUEL WINNER of MIDDLETOWN - A SEPARATE BRANCH? The elder Samuel Winner of Middletown Twp., Bucks Co., Pa. seems more closely associated in records with the Abraham, Isaac and Jacob branch of the family than with the branch of John of Middletown. Since the Abraham, Isaac, Jacob branch seems to originate in New Jersey, there is a good possibility that Samuel also came from New Jersey to Middletown. In 1775 Samuel, Isaac; and Jacob are listed as non-associators at Middletown. Abraham is known to have remained in New Jersey and served as a soldier there. The younger brother James served as an associator at Middletown, Pa. in 1775. Thus this family was divided in its beliefs concerning service in the Revolutionary War. It is believed that the Quakers Isaac and Jacob had moved from New Jersey to Pa. at the outset of the war, as the Pa. government was more lenient in its attitude toward the sect than was the New Jersey government, and of course, Pa. did not suffer as much destruction during the war as did New Jersey. Isaac and Jacob's marriages are recorded in the New Jersey Archives, and Stryker lists Jacob as a New Jersey Revolutionary soldier, although the Archives cannot furnish a service record for him, In 1779 Samuel Winner of Middletown is taxed along with Isaac Sr, and Isaac Jr. In 1783 he is taxed there with William Winner, singleman, possibly a son. Both Samuel and William disappear from the tax lists after 1784. In 1781, William Winner had served as a private in Capt. Robert Patterson's Co., 2nd Regt. of Foot, Bucks Co. Militia. Isaac WINNER of MIDDLETOWN and NEW JERSEY. In 1775 Isaac Winner was recorded as a non-associator of Middletown Twp., Bucks Co., Pa. In 1776 a marriage is recorded in New Jersey on November 9th of Isaac Winner of Bucks Co. to Hannah Searl of Bucks". In 1779 both Isaac Sr. and Isaac Jr. are taxed at Middletown. In 1781, Isaac Winner, weaver, is taxed there and this is the last of the Isaacs on the tax lists. An Isaac Winner died in Burlington Co., N.J. in 1866. Jacob WINNER of MIDDLETOWN and SOUTHHAMPTON Jacob Winner was married at St. Mary's Church, Burlington Co., N.J. on Sept. 29, 1774. In 1775 he is listed as a non-associator of Middletown Twp., Bucks Co. Pa. He died in 1778 in Southampton, Bucks Co., Pa., his widow Elizabeth (Hellingh) surviving him. (Bucks Co. File 1563). His occupation was that of a weaver. Dirck Hogeland of Southhampton and Amos Lubers of Northhampton were fellow bondsmen. William Mannington was witness, inventory by Phineas Paxton and Joseph Van Pelt. Samuel WINNER of SOUTHHAMPTON. Bucks Co. File 5444 a contains the estate proceedings of Samuel Winner of Southhampton Twp., dated April 8, 1825. His wife Alice was administrator. The inventory mentions dowry to his daughter Margaret Lefferts, and also names Abraham, James and John Lefferts. Alice Winner was later buried at the Dutch Reformed Church of North and South Hampton, born October 28, 1790, died October 9, 1833. Her daughter, Ann L. Winner, is also buried there, born May 4, 1817, died Dec. 18, 1890. On the 1850 census of Northhampton Twp., Ann Winner is found living in the home of Charles and Elizabeth Spencer. Also on the census is Adriana Lefferts age 72 living in the home of James and Jane Richardson. John and Helena Lefferts were living in Southhampton Twp. Abraham and James WINNER of SOUTHHAMPTON. These two families are found here on the 1850 census: Abraham age 29 living with wife Emily, children Susanna and Samuel. James Winner age 26 heads a separate household with wife Sarah and daughter Elizabeth, and an Alice Winner age 59. On an 1856 map of Bucks Co., Abraham Winner is shown living in Northhampton Twp., and Thomas Winner at Newportville. The Southhampton Baptist Church records the burials of John E. Winner, born Dec. 10, 1816, died April 11, 1897 - his will is Bucks Co, File 20188 - and of Lizzie B. Winner who died Oct. 17, 1879 age 20. The records of Neshaminy of Warwick Church shows that John Winner of Northhampton married Mary Ann Rutherford of Warwick on April 9, 1857. On an 1876 map of Northampton Twp., John Winner had 20 acres a mile north of Richboro; "J." Winner had 19 acres one mile northwest of Richboro, and Thomas Winner had his home at Newportville facing Neshaminy Creek. Solebury Presbyterian Church records show Nathan C. Winner, adult, baptized April 6, 1846, and his wife Mary Winner baptized November 11, 1845. Nathan Winner transferred in 1846 to Zion Church, Cecil Co., Md. Samuel WINNER of WrightSTOWN. On the 1850 census a Samuel Winner age 27, blacksmith, is living at Wrightstown with wife Louise, and daughters Mary and Martha. Also at Wrightstown are the families of Arthur and Charles Lefferts. A James Winner died at Wrightstown in 1872. According to the History of Bucks County by Davis, 1905, Vol 3, William Paulin Winner was born August 26, 1852 on a small farm north of Wrightstown, son of Samuel and Sarah Ann (Wood) Winner. Sarah Ann died two days after the birth of her son. Bucks Co. File 6988, Orphans Court, shows that Cornelius Slack was appointed guardian. William's aunt Elizabeth took him to Philadelphia. In later years William P. resided at Quakertown, serving in the Pa. State Legislature between 1898-1902. He married Dec. 23, 1879 to Mary Magdalene Simons. The 1850 census in Buckingham Twp. shows a Samuel Winner age 31 living on the farm of George and Elizabeth Walton. The name Samuel is also a popular Winner name in New Jersey. BRANCH TWO James WINNER II of BUCKS CO., PA. The second James Winner settled in Bucks Co., Pa. before 1745, according to records which show him a soldier there. In 1756 Pvt. James Winner served with the Newtown, Pa. Infantry. Obviously, this man was not a Quaker. In 1779 the estate of James Winner including 50 acres was taxed in Falls Township, Bucks Co. BRANCH THREE Joseph WINNER of NEW JERSEY. We know practically nothing about this man, other than he probably lived in Burlington Co., N.J. He is nevertheless considered the progenitor of the Bristol and Philadelphia branches of the Winner family. His second wife and widow, Sara, died at Bristol in 1753, leaving a will dated June 8th - Bucks Co. File 833 - which gave her estate to her son Anthony Hooper, by her first marriage. Joseph Smith was executor. Joseph WINNER II of BRISTOL. By tradition, this man was born in New Jersey about 1735 and was third generation in America. He came to Bristol in the 1750s and served in the colonial wars. He was a tailor, and was taxed at Bristol in 1779 as owning one acre. In 1783 Benjamin Winner, a singleman, was taxed at Bristol but disappears from the tax list the next year. Across the river in Gloucester Co., N.J., one Benjamin Winner married Eliza Barrett on February 12, 1824. A later Benjamin Winner was born 1837 at Middletown Point, New Jersey, son of Reuben and Lanned Winner. This Benjamin died March 21, 1860, age 23, single. Joseph Winner of Bristol had a daughter Sara born 1758 who was still living in Bristol at the time of the 1850 census. She was then 92, the Widow Van Horn, living with her daughter Mary Van Horn age 50, Ann Twining age 73, and Thomas Winner age 50, a carpenter. There are some indication that Joseph of Bristol had two sons, Septimus and William, who were administrators of the will of John Gaskill of Burlington Co., N.J. In 1794, a William Winner died 1813 in Waterford Twp., Gloucester Co., N.J. - File 2973H. Jesse Winner was administrator. At Bristol in 1801 died a Joseph Winner, probably fifth generation, who left his estate to his mother, the Widow Rebecca Winner who had remarried to Thomas Barton. Joseph WINNER III of PHILADELPHIA. This Joseph was born in Bristol 1776 and died in Philadelphia 1815. He married Elizabeth Evans 1784-1842, d/o Rev. Sold. Capt. Nathan Evans of Welsh descent. Joseph and Elizabeth are buried at the 2nd Baptist Church Philadelphia. (Also buried there is Abram Winner, very probably the Rev. Sold. of New Jersey.) Two of their sons were Joseph, a violin maker, and William, a painter. In 1800 a John Winner married Alice Winner at the Baptist Church in Philadelphia. In 1835 a Mary Winner married William Mathes of Philadelphia. William E. WINNER of PHILADELPHIA. This man was a portrait and genre painter in Philadelphia in the 1840-60 period. He was a member of the Pa. Academy of Fine Arts 1847-60 and a member of the National Academy of Design 1844-50. One of his better known portraits is that of Edgar Allen Poe. His daughter, Margaret F. Winner born 1866 was also a painter and member of the Pa. Academy. Joseph WINNER IV of PHILADELPHIA. This Joseph, the violin-maker, married Mary Ann Hawthorne d/o William Hawthorne of New York. Their children were Septimus, Julia, Margaret Aim, Sarah Jane, Anna Ross, Sivori, and Joseph Eastburn Winner. About 1840 this family moved to Lycoming Co., Pa.. near Williamsport, but moved back to Philadelphia before the 1850 Lycoming Co. census was taken. (This census does show a Seth Winner of Porter Twp., Lycoming Co., Pa., wife Rebecca, who may be Joseph's brother.) SEPTIMUS WINNER of PHILADELPHIA Septimus was born in Philadelphia May 11, 1827, and was a well-known American composer, most famous for his tune "Listen to the Mocking Bird". Septimus was subject of a book entitled "The Mocking Bird" published by C. E. Claghorn in 1937, Septimus kept a music shop in Philadelphia between 1847-57, and was a member of the Music Fund Orchestra. He married a Miss Hannah (Guyer). Joseph EASTBURNE WINNER of PHILADELPHIA. This Joseph was born 1836, married twice, the second time to Florence Elizabeth McGregor. His son Hawthorne Winner is an accountant of Philadelphia today. BRANCH FOUR - Thomas WINNER of BURLINGTON, N.J. This man is buried in the Quaker Burial Ground at Burlington, N.J., although the church records do not give his death date, he is nevertheless the eldest of the New Jersey branch of the Winner family. His wife was Hannah and one of their sons, Samuel, died August 21, 1743. Thomas and his brother Joseph were the progenitors of Winners living in Burlington, Gloucester, Camden, and Atlantic Cos. The MT. HOLLY - NORTHHAMPTON WINNERS In the 1780s at Mt. Holly was living Stephen and his wife Mary Winner, who had a son Samuel. Also living there was Abraham Winner, the tavern-keeper. Abraham WINNER, REV. SOLD. of NEW JERSEY. C. S. Boyer's "Old Inns and Taverns of West Jersey" mentions "Abraham Winner whose house was located on the north side of Gaskill's lane (now Woodland, near the old Quaker Meeting house. On May 22, 1776 he gave a mortgage to Joseph Butterworth on his property, which had probably then been discontinued as a tavern." On Sept. 3, 1869 Abraham Winner had married Mary Hatcher, according to the register of St. Mary's Church, Burlington Co. The New Jersey Archives and History Bureau furnishes his war record: "Purchaser of Forage, Foragemaster General's Dept., stationed at Mt. Holly, Burlington Co., N.J., January l780 … contractor for Burlington Co. March 25 to December 15, 1782; delivered provisions and forage to the State Troops and Militia April-July 1782; boarded and nursed Capt. Jacob Cooper of Burlington Co. … 1782." On Oct. 27, 1780, Abraham Winner was bondsman on will of John Little, Galloway Twp., Gloucester Co., N.J. Sara Little was administratrix. In 1788 he was bondsman of Joseph Borden Jr. of Burlington Co. Witnesses were Joseph and Mary Potts. In 1787 Abraham Winner was listed as a voter in an election for the Assembly. (It is believed he died age 74 in Philadelphia in 1807 and is buried at the 2nd Baptist Church there.) On May 1, 1779 Amos Winner married Rebecca Cooper. On April 1, 1776 John Winner of Northhampton, Burlington Co, married Hannah Carr of Mt. Holly, d/o Quakers Caleb and Sara Carr. Hannah was born 1759, died 1778 and is buried with her child Samuel Winner in the Mt. Holly MM burial ground. Samuel Winner, born Mt. Holly 1835, s/o Stephen and Mary died December 8, 1861, a farmer of Southhampton Twp., Burlington Co., N.J. On March 25, 1862 Mary N. Winner, age 61, died in Southhampton Twp., born Ellisburg, N.J., d/o Samuel and Labylle (Thorn) Winner. The GLOUCESTER CO., N.J. WINNERS [KP note: this John Winner who married Millicent Mapes is in my database as one of the sons of Isaac and Rebecca Winner.] 1787 - The will of Joseph Mapes of Great Egg Harbour, Gloucester co., N.J. mentions his daughter Melicent Winner, his grandson Joseph Winner, and his son in law John Winner. 1793 - The will of Melscent Winner of Great Egg Harbour mentions her two sons, Amos and John Winner. 1803 - Joseph Winner married Millicent Caveller on February 2nd. 1806 - On the estate of Yelverton Doughty, John Winner, Sr. is executor, with Joseph Winner a witness. 1806 - On January 1st, Joseph Winner was appointed postmaster at Somer's Point, Gloucester Co. 1810 - John Winner Jr. was appointed postmaster at Somer's Pt, July 1st. 1811 - Joseph Winner was appointed postmaster, Somer's Pt. 1812 - John Winner married Abigail Doughty May 9th 1813 - Samuel Winner married Mary Thorn March 30th 1813 - William Winner died in Waterford Twp., Gloucester Co., leaving a will - File 2973H. 1816 - Abigail Winner married Joseph Venable February 23 1823 - John Winner Jr. died - File 2393H. 1824 - Benjamin Winner married Eliza Barrett February 12. 1832 - At Egg Harbour Twp., Abby Winner had 3 children between 4 and 16 years in school. 1837 - Atlantic County was formed from Gloucester Co. 1841 - Abraham Winner of Millford, N.J. married Eliza Ann Gaunt on December 9th. At Zion Methodist Church in Bargaintown, Atlantic Co. are buried Thomas D. Winner 1818-1868 and wife Margaret D. Winner 1829-1864. Their son Thomas S. died 1855 age 15 mo., their son John died 1859 age 9, and their daughter Margaret died 1912 age 52. At the Methodist Cemetery in Williamstown, Gloucester Co. is buried Joseph Winner 1822-1898 and wife Mary B. Van Horn Winner 1824-1895. Their son Daniel 1844-1863 served in the Civil War. Their son James 1850-1929 married Mary A. Dawson. Their daughter Sara 1853-1910 married Daniel Dawson Jr. A Samuel Winner born 1817 enlisted in 1881 as a N.J. Civil War soldier. At Berlin, N.J. is buried a David Winner, 1826-1909, Civil War veteran, wife Maryann M. Winner 1831-1889. 1790 FEDERAL CENSUS, FOR BUCKS County, Pennsylvania (Not returned by townships - however, localities can be determined by neighbors names.) John WINNER, shown as 2 white males over 16, 2 white males under 16, 2 white free females, no slaves or indentured people. (Identified as John of Middletown Twp.) James WINNER, shown as 1 white male over 16, 1 white male under 16, 2 free white females, no slaves or others. (Identified as James of Upper Makefield Twp.) DAVID WINNER, shown as 1 white male over 16, 2 white males under 16, 1 free white female. No slaves or others. (Identified as David of Lower Makefield.) Samuel WINNER, shown as 3 white males over 16, 2 white males under 16, 2 free white females, no slaves or others. (Identified as Samuel of Lower Makefield.) JOSHUA WINNER, shown as 1 white male over 16, 2 free white females, no slaves or others. (Identified as Joshua of Lower Makefield.) Samuel WINNER, shown as 2 white males over 16, 1 white male under 16, 1 free white females, no slaves or others. (Identified as Samuel Jr. of Lower Makefield) 1850 CENSUS BUCKS CO. PA.: Bristol Twp.: Thomas WINNER, age 50 carpenter, living in household SARA (Winner) VAN HORN age 92, with Mary VAN HORN age 50 and Ann TWINING age 73. Buckingham Twp.: Samuel WINNER age 31, laborer, living in home of George and Elizabeth Walton. Lower Makefield Twp: SARA WINNER age 40, living in Charles White's home. (She is said to have married White and survived him as a widow.) Elizabeth WINNER age 10, living in home of Joseph Neeld age 76 and wife Martha age 68. Upper Makefield Twp: William WINNER age 37, carpenter; Ann Eliza age 32, Lydia Ann age 10, Abner age 8, Christopher age 6, Samuel age 2 mo. Elias WINNER age 27, shoemaker; Ann age 37, William H. age 6, Margaret age 1, Samuel age 12 mo. Northhampton Twp.: Ann WINNER age 33 living in home of Charles and Elizabeth Spencer. Rockhill Twp.: John WINNER age 23 blacksmith, Anna Margaret age 25, Allen age 1 mo. George WINNER, age 45 farmer; Catherine age 36, Maryann age 15, John age 12 mo., Levi age 3 mo., and Matilda Soliday age 34. Southhampton Twp.: James WINNER age 26 carpenter, Sarah age 27, Elizabeth age 5, Mary age 1, Alice Winner age 59. Abraham WINNER age 29 farmer, Emily age 26, Susanna age 2, Samuel age 2 mo. Wrightstown Twp.: Samuel WINNER age 27, blacksmith, Louise age 24, Mary age 4, Martha age 2. BUCKS CO., PA. Wills & ADMINISTRATIONS: 1748 John WINNER, weaver, Middletown Twp. File 628 1753 Sarah WINNER, widow of Joseph, Bristol Twp. File 833 1778 Jacob WINNER, weaver, Southhampton Twp. File 1563 1791 John WINNER, Lower Makefield File 2356 1796 James WINNER, Warwick Twp. File 2666 1805 Joseph WINNER, Bristol Twp. File 3313 1825 Samuel WINNER, Southhampton Twp. File 5444. 1852 Sarah WINNER 1871 Mary WINNER 1872 James WINNER 1889 Sarah WINNER 1897 John WNNER [Others not transcribed from 1908 to 1939.] [Author continues with a part II, pp. 15-58, which is specifically on her ancestor James Winner (who married Mary Parker and Mary Kester) and his descendants. James was the son of Isaac and Rebecca Winner. This portion of the overall transcript is contained in the notes of James Winner. There are two excerpts, however, that I include as follows in which the author seems to identify (or assume) some relationships with James which if correctly surmised may impact James' father Isaac, who is our earliest documented ancestor, i.e. that Jacob was a brother of James and also that he was cousins or a nephew with the individuals in the John Winner and Joseph Winner branches of the supposed original Capt. James Winner:] "Coming from a family that was only half Quaker, James Winner in his earlier years had several times found his beliefs running contrary to those of the Quaker church. Consequently, while serving apprenticeship as a teenage boy in Middletown Township, Bucks Co., Pa. in 1775 - learning to become a weaver - James had served a term as soldier in the Bucks County Associators, although his brothers Isaac and Jacob, as Quakers, did not. (James' elder cousin, James, son of John of Lower Makefield, had already moved to Lower Makefield Township with his brother John Jr. and served as an associator there in the same year.) Again, during later years in New Jersey, James Winner married his first wife out of meeting, as well as his second wife. However, he always returned to the church and brought up his children to be Quakers. "...By legend, at the time [1801] James Winner migrated to Lycoming County, he had only two brothers still living, one in New Jersey, and one in Bucks County. Also by legend, he is said to have named his three sons for his three brothers. His elder brother was Abraham Winner of Mt. Holly, Burlington Co., New Jersey, an innkeeper and a New Jersey Revolutionary Soldier. The second brother Isaac was taxed at Middletown Township, Bucks Co., Pa. as early as 1779, although it is believed he was born in Burlington Co., N.J. The third brother, Jacob Winner, died in Southhampton Township, Bucks Co., Pa. in 1778. (Both Isaac and Jacob were weavers.) Dirck Hogeland signed bond for the estate. The father of James is considered to be Isaac Sr. who was also taxed in Middletown Twp., Bucks Co., Pa. In 1779 but then disappears from the tax lists. The mother of James is said to be Rebecca. His birth record eludes us as it is not known which side of the Delaware River he was born on. (His cousin James mentioned before, died in Warwick Township, Bucks Co, Pa. In 1796.) The marriage records of Isaac Jr. and Jacob Winner are found in the New Jersey Archives. The Winner family in Lycoming Co., Pa. has always been tied to the Winner family of Philadelphia, which included William Winner, the artist, and Septimus Winner, the composer. After James served his apprenticeship in Middletown Twp., he moved to Bristol Township where his uncle Joseph Winner lived. James was taxed there as a weaver in 1781, probably living in the home of Joseph. By tradition, this Joseph Winner of Bristol was third generation in America, born 1735 in New Jersey, son of Joseph, grandson of Capt. James. Joseph of Bristol was taylor, and had served in the Indian Wars in the 1750s. While James was in Bristol, one of Joseph's younger sons, Joseph born 1776 was only a small child. This 4th generation Joseph moved to Philadelphia and married Elizabeth Evans. His son Joseph, 5th generation, moved to Lycoming County in the 1840s, but had moved back to Philadelphia by 1850. However, on the 1850 census in Lycoming County is one Seth Winner, age 64 (born 1786) living in Porter Township with his wife Rebecca and son Robert. This family probably belongs to the Philadelphia branch also. After spending a year at Bristol, James Winner, the weaver, moved to Falls, Pa. and was taxed there in 1782 on two cows and a horse. Previously, in 1779 his uncle James' Estate was taxed at Falls. This elder James Winner served as a soldier in 1745, and again is listed as a soldier at Newton in 1756. From Falls, James Winner moved across the river to Oxford Furnace in Sussex County and married Widow Mary Collins, probably in 1785. She was born Mary Parker, Jr., daughter of Humphrey Parker, Jr., a Welsh Quaker from Gwynned, Pa., and his wife, Tamar Scott, whom he had married at the First Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia in 1744..." BIBLIOGRAPHY: [Note that some of these sources relate exclusively to the descendants of James and Mary (Parker) Winner.] Manuscript of Harold Collins, Williamsport Pa. 1915 Manuscript of Rev. Jackson Winner, Nov. 20, 1928 Manuscript of Mabell Jeanette Winner Harrington, 1947 Bible of Jacob Winner, published by Friends, 1831 Bible of William Collins, pub. 1868 Bible of Benejah Reeder, New Test. pub. Phila. 1834 Publications of Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania New Jersey Historical Society Proceedings Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and National Archives Records of Society of Friends, Muncy Monthly Meeting, Pa. Records of Hardwick Monthly Meeting, N.J. Records of Kingwood Monthly Meeting, N.J. Records of Mt. Holly Monthly Meeting, N.J. Officers & Men of N.J. in the Rev. War, Stryker Pa. 1790 Census, 1850 Census of Lycoming and Bucks Co., Pa. The Kirk Family, Roberts, 1912 The Lundy Family, Armstrong, 1002 History of Bucks Co., Davis 1905 The Mocking Bird, Claghorn 1937 Bucks Co. Wills, Administrations and Orphans Court Proc. N.J. Marriage Record Books, H. Stanley Craig Pennsylvania Magazine Hist. Gen. Miscellany, Stillwell, 1906 Compendium of American Genealogy, Virkus National Encyclopedia of American Biography Early Pa. Births, Fisher, 1947 Encyclopedia American Quaker Genealogy, Hinshaw History of Lycoming Co., Meginness, 1892 Family of William J. Collins, Jr., Siegel, 1967." 4. Sep - Nov 2011, I reviewed various history and genealogical books concerning Winners in pre-1800 Bucks County, Pennsylvania, at the Allen County Library in Fort Wayne, IN, New Jersey State Archives in Trenton, and the FHL in Salt Lake City. Bucks county is often credited as the source of early Winners who were in adjoining southern New Jersey. My research has led to concurrence with this. Possible variant spellings also checked: Weimer, Wenner, Winer, and Winne. My findings: A. Deeds 1684-1763: -John Winner, witness to a deed in 1731. -Sarah Winner, widow of Jacob, deed 1753 to Mary Martin. -Joseph Smith of Bristol Twp., 1753, to Mary Martin, widow, property sold in 1743 to William Hooper, who died intestate and sheriff sold land to Mary Martin and Sarah Winner, formerly Sarah Hooper. B. Orphan's Court 1685-1800: -John Subert/Subers, Middletown Twp. Mentions Sarah, eldest daughter, wife of David Winner, 1789. -James Winner, son Joseph over age 14 petitons for guardian in 1795. C. Tax Records 1693-1778 (year, township, name, ₤ value, tax s-d): -1754, Middleton, Isaac Winner, 10, 1-8, married. -1754, Middleton, Samuel Winner, 6, 1-0, single. -1757, Middleton, Isaack Winner, 6, 1-0, married. -1757, Middleton, John Winner, 6, 1-0, married. -1760, Middleton, Isaac Winner, 4, 1-0. (Listed next to Joseph below.) -1760, Middleton, Joseph Winner, 4, 1-0. -1760, Middleton, Sam'l Winner at Joh. Winr., -, 9-0. -1762, Middleton, Isaac Winner, 4, 1-0. (Listed next to Joseph below.) -1762, Middleton, Joseph Winner, 4, 1-0. -1762, Middleton, Samel Winner, 4, 1-0. -1766, Bristol, John Winer, 18, 4-6. -1775, Lower Makefield, John Winner. -1775, Lower Makefield, James Winner. -1778, Middleton, Isaac Winner Sr., 4, 2-0, married. -1778, Middleton, Isaac Winner Jr., 4, 2-0, married. -1778, Middleton, James Winner, 6, 3-0, single. -1778, Middleton, Samuel Winner, 2, 2-0, married. (Listed next to John below.) -1778, Middleton, John Winner, 3, 1-0, married. -1778, Lower Makefield, Jacob Winner, 2, 1-0, married. -1778, Lower Makefield, John Winner, 2, 1-0, married. -1778, Lower Makefield, Samuel Winner, 3, 3-0, single. -1778, Bristol, Jos. Winner, 1, 0-10, married. D. Will abstracts 1685-1785: -1753, Sarah Winner of Bristol Twp., son Anthony Hooper. Joseph Smith, executor. -1754, Mentions land in Newtown on which "Joseph Winner lives after decease of wife." Principal of will, David Lavell, appears unrelated. -1772, John Winner witness to will of Joseph Wilson of Lower Makefield. -1777, Susan Winner witness to will of Jacob Shouch of Haycock. E. Index of Wills and Administrations 1684-1850 [with townships noted]: -1748, John Winner, weaver, Middletown, adm., #628. Administration only with no will. -1753, Sarah Winner, Bristol, will, #833. Sarah Winner of Bristol Twp., son Anthony Hooper. Joseph Smith, executor. [Widow of Jacob Winner.] -1778, Jacob, weaver, Southhampton, adm., #1563. Couldn't find but was administration only. -1791, John Winner, Lower Makefield, will, #2356. John Winner of Lower Makefield Twp., Bucks, weaver. January 3, 1791. Proved January 23, 1791. Sons Samuel and John exrs. Ch. Rachel wife of Jacob Watson, Didwell wife of John Smith, Samuel, John, David, Joshua, and David [Moses?] Winner. Gdsns. Levi and John Terry sons of Joshua Terry. Wits: James Moon, Richard Neeld, Peter Vanhorn. Witnesses Amos Gregg and Amos Gregg, Jr. -1796, James Winner, Warwick, adm., #2666. Couldn't find but was administration only. -1805, Joseph Winner, Bristol, will and adm., #3313. Joseph Winner, Bristol, Bucks Co. Mother Rebecca Burton, now wife of Thomas Burton. Appoints mother and Thomas Burton as adm. Dated 11 Sep 1801. Proved 18 Mar 1805. -1825 Winner, Southhampton, #5444. [Did not look up due lateness of date.] -Next Winner entries are 1852 Sarah Ann Winner, 1871 Mary Winner, 1872 James Winner, and so forth. F. 1779 Tax List: -Isaac Winner, Sen., Middleton. -Isaac Winner, Jun., Middleton. -James Winner's estate, Falls. -John Winner, Lower Makefield. -Jos. Winner, Bristol. -Samuel Winner, Middleton. G. Oaths of Allegiance: -1772, James Winner, Lower Makefield. -1772, Jacob Winner, Southampton. -1785, Joshua Winner, Bensalem. -1788, John Winner (weaver), Plumstead. H. Pagenweb Bucks Co. accessed 21 Nov 2011 "Middletown Township Property and Tax Records 1779," transcribed by Patricia Woodruff January 2001 (Name -Acres-Horses-Cattle-Servants), married men: -Isaac Winner, Jr.-0-0-1-0 -Isaac Winner, Sen.-0-0-1-0 -Samuel Winner-0-0-1-0 I. Pagenweb Bucks Co. accessed 21 Nov 2011 "Bristol Township Property and Tax Records," transcribed by Patricia Woodruff February 2002 (acres - horses - cattle - servants), married men: a. 1779: -Joseph Winner-1-1-1-0 b. 1781 -James Winner, weaver - 0-0-2-0 -Joseph Winner, taylor - 0-1-1-0 J. Pagenweb Bucks Co. accessed 21 Nov 2011: a. "Falls Town Township Property and Tax Records 1779": "James Winner's est." b. "Lower Makefield Township Property and Tax List 1779": "John Winner" K. Pagenweb Bucks Co. accessed 21 Nov 2011 "Middletown Township Property and Tax Records," transcribed by Laura VanSant 2003 (Name-Acres-Horses-Cattle-Servants): a. 1781: -Isaac Winner, weaver, 0-1-1-0 b. 1782: -Samuel Winner, 0 0 2 0 c. 1783: -Sam'l Winner 2.10 [Not the assessment - probably the tax amount of 2 sh. 10 d.] L. 1790 US census for Bucks County, PA (not returned by township, however, FHL film 893700 "Four Lycoming Co., Pa. Families," by Miss Ernestine Siegel, Chairman, part of the "Genealogical Collection of the Desoto Chapter, D.A.R., Tampa Florida, Jan. 1972, vol. 2, has identified individuals and localities as determined by neighbors' names), numbers are males over 16, males under 16, and females: -John Winner (Middletown Twp.), 2-2-2. -James Winner (Upper Makefield Twp.), 1-1-2. -David Winner (Lower Makefield Twp.), 1-2-1. -Samuel Winner (Lower Makefield Twp.), 3-2-2. -Joshua Winner (Lower Makefield Twp.), 1-0-2. -Samuel Winner (Samuel Jr. of Lower Makefield), 2-1-2. 5. I visited the New Jersey State Archives in Trenton 24 Sep 2011. I looked at all probate records for Winners and Winnes. The book (3 volumes) "State of New Jersey. Index of Wills, Inventories, Etc.," by S.D. Dickinson and J.B.R. Smith, 1912, reprinted 1969 has a comprehensive index for wills available in the N.J. Archives (or FHL film in Salt Lake City). I start first with abstracts I made and then follow with summaries of proposed families. From this study, it is apparent to me that our Winners are not descended from the Dutch Winnes of the northern New Jersey counties of Bergen, Essex, and Hudson, which is contrary to many postings found on Internet databases such as Worldconnect. On the other hand, connection of our Monmouth and Ocean Winners to the southern New Jersey (Gloucester, Burlington, Camden, Atlantic counties) Winners is more likely but very much undetermined. Also it is confirmed that Jonathan Winner left no probate if he died in New Jersey nor is he mentioned in other Winner probate records; also George King Winner is not mentioned in any probate - which supports their moving away from the area. A. Probate abstracts: a. BERGEN CO. WINNES: i. 3258B: Lavinus Winner of Bergen, Bergen Co., will dated 8 Jan 1802. Mentions: wife Annatie; son Martin Winner; son Eder and his wife Attie; daughter Antia, wife of Cornelius Buskirk; and son Peter. "Items" bequeathed include "negro woman Gin, girl Peg, and boy John." Eder receives Bergen homestead and Martin receives other lands in Bergen. Will signed by a mark. Witnesses: John Dedrix, Daniel Van Winkel Jun., and Sylvester Van Buren. Executors Martin Winner and Peter Sip sign affidavit 9 Jul 1802. ii. 3656B: John Winne, farmer of Bergen, Bergen Co., will dated 29 Apr 1796, proved 4 Oct 1813, mentions: son Martin; dau. Antia, wife of Daniel Van Winkle; Jannetie, wife of Garret Van Rype; and brother Levines Winne (in describing adjoining land; probably the Lavinus deceased 1802). Witnesses: Lanah Parine and John Anderson. Executors: Martin Winne and Daniel Van Winkel. "Items" bequeathed included a "negro man Tom" and standard farm implements. He signed with a mark and notes "my three children." A codicil dated 3 Sep 1808; it mentions Jane, wife of Garret Van Rype, and grandson John Winne; witnessed by Sylvester Van Buren and Elihu Ayres. Inv. was 7 Dec 1813 by Jacob van Wagenan and Cornelius Van Ruypers(?). Affidavits of executors dated 15 Jun 1814. iii. 4404B: Edo Winner of Bergen Co. Inventory dated 25 Jun 1832. Administered by Nicholas Vreeland and John H. Zabriskie on same date. b. ESSEX CO. WINNES: i. 2313-2316G: Peter Winne of Newtown, Essex Co., dated 8 May 1755 and proved 10 May 1756. Mentions: oldest son Marte Winne; second son John Winne when he is 21 years; youngest son Abraham; two daughters Catherine and Margaret, and wife Leah. Executors are wife and sons-in-law Abraham Van Riper Jun. and Ganebrant(?) Ganebrantson. Witnesses William Dow and Jonathan Sorjont(?) signed affidavit 4 May 1756. ii. 4225-4228G: John Winne of Newkirk (unclear - perhaps Newtown), Essex Co., administration only. Administrators are Hannah "Winner," James Joraleman, and Henry Joralemon, who all sign affidavits 9 Mar 1773. iii. 5713-5720G: "Martha Wenne" of Newtown, Essex Co., dated 6 Jun 1769. Mentions unnamed wife and sons Peter and John (both minors). Executors are friend Abraham Van Ripe and son Peter. Witnesses are William Dow, Joseph Keen, and John Sip. Signed "Marta Winner." Affidavits signed 20 Apr 1782. Inventory 25 Mar 1783. Abraham renounces admin. 17 Mar 1783 witnessed by John "Winner" and Jacob Kneeland (Vreeland?); Jacob Kidney replaces him and that document witnessed by John "Winner" and Peter "Winne." iv. 6476-6480G: Abraham Winner of Second River, Essex Co., will dated 3 Jul 1776. Mentions wife Hellih Winne and two minor children Nicholas and Leah Winne. Executors: are wife and friends William King of Second River and Abraham Speir of Poverethon(?) both of Essex Co. Witnesses: William Dow, Thomas Keen, Leah Winne. Affidavits by executors and witnesses signed 18 May 1786. Henry Rutan and Leah Winne of Essex Co. are appointed 21 Feb 1786 as guardians fo the two minor children (Nicholas and Leah) who are both over the age of 14. v. 11153G: Henry Winne of Newtown, Essex Co. Will dated 17 Dec 1817. Executors are friends Nathaniel Brewer and Moses F. Davis. Mentions sister Mary Kidney (given land bordered on west by John Winne, north by Abr'm and John King...), father "Petre Winne (who appears to be living with Henry), and "Petre Kidney (son of sister). Henry appears to be unmarried without Children. c. Hudson (CREATED from BERGEN) CO. WINNERS: i. 1700I: Belina Winner. Inv dated 1872. Did not review due to date and that it was an inventory only. ii. 3714I: John Winner. Inv. dated 1881. Did not review due to date and that it was an inventory only. d. GLOUCESTER (with ATLANTIC and CAMDEN CREATED from GLOUCESTER) CO. WINNERS: i. 2627H: Melicent Winner, wife of John Winner of Great Egg Harbor, Gloucester. Will dated 18 Apr 1791. Mentions real estate left to son Amos Winner, husband John Winner, "all my children" (unnamed). Mentions land given her by her father Joseph Mapes. Signs as "Melscent Winner." Witnesses: Daniel Leeds, John Dole, and David Scull(?). Codicil 1 Dec 1793 replaces son Amos if he dies with son John Winner; witnessed by Sam'l Delancey, John Dole, and Joseph Sharp. Affidavit of executor dated 12 Aug 1806. ii. 3493H: John Winner Jr., "late of township of Egg Harbor," Gloucester Co. Inventory dated 27 Oct 1823. Adminstrator: Abigail Winner who signs as "Abbigail Winner." Proved 1 Nov 1823. iii. 2973H: William Winner of Waterford Twp., Gloucester Co. Inv. appraised 15 Oct 1813. Administrator Jesse Winner's affidavit dated 26 Oct 1813. iv. 28A: John Winner of Egg Harbor, Atlantic Co. Inv. dated 5 Dec 1839 and proved 24 Dec 1839. Administratrix: Harriet Winner. All inventory items are farm related. v. 417A: Thomas D. Winner of Egg Harbor, Atlantic Co. Will dated 6 Mar 1868 and proved 13 Jun 1868. Inventory dated 13 Jun 1868 and includes standard household and office items. Executor David B. Somers. Mentions: wife Ann Winner (receives 1/3), son Thomas Winner (1/3 of 2/3), "little daughter Margarett Winner" (1/3 of 2/3), and son George and daughter Mary (shares 1/3 of 2/3). Will mentions "his four children"; makes wife Ann guardian of children Thomas and Margaret who are under age 14. Mentions his desire for tombstones for him and "Margaret Winner deceased." Executor: "friend David B. Somes." Witnesses: George Anderson and Elijah Townsend. Affidavits signed 13 Jun 1868. vi. 1304A: Thomas D. Winner of Atlantic Co. Inventory dated 22 Jul 1893. Administrator George S. Winner. vii. 1818D: Joseph T. Winner of City of Camden [Camden Co.]. Will dated __ Oct 18__ and proved 25 Nov 1879. Mentions wife Sarah S. Winner and son Frank S. Winner (executor). Witnesses: Julia S. Gillett, Lizzie L. Chesnut; affidavit dated 5 Nov 1879. e. MONMOUTH CO. WINNERS: i. 12865M: Reuben H. Winner of Matawan Twp., Monmouth Co. Inventory only dated 14 Jul 1871 and filed 30 Aug 1871; contains normal household stuff (no seafaring items). Administrator Gordon D. White. No will. B. Analysis based only on above probate to create proposed family groups: a. Bergen/Essex Counties Winnes of (Dutch) Albany, New York, ancestry. The following two family groups are from the same root as shown in the article "The Winne Family" in the publication "The Dutch Settlers Society of Albany Yearbook, 40 (1964-1966), 6-28. Family #1 connects back to Peter1 Winne, the founder of this line, by Peter's son Marten2; the Peter below is son of Marten2. As for Family #2, John and Lavinus are sons of Marten3 (Levinus2, Peter1). Family #1: -Peter Winne (-1756) and wife Leah -Martin [aka Marte or Martha] (-1782) and wife ___ -Peter (minor in 1769) -Henry (-1817) -Mary wife of ___ Kidney -Peter (bef. 1817-) -John (minor in 1769) -John (-1773) and wife Hannah -Abraham (-1786) and wife Hellih. Children: -Nicholas (minor over age 14 in 1786) -Leah (minor over age 14 in 1786) -Catherine (m. to Abraham Van Riper by 1755) -Margaret (m. to Ganebrant Ganebrantson by 1755) Family #2: -___ Winne -John (-1813) -Martin -John -Antia, wife of Daniel Van Winkle -Jannetie (Jane), wife of Garret Van Rype -Lavinus (-1802) and wife Annatie -Martin -Eder/Edo (-1832) and wife Attia -Peter -Antia, wife of Cornelius Buskirk -Unnamed daughter (will says "my daughters" but only lists Antia) b. Gloucester/Atlantic/Camden Co. Winners: Family #1 (Egg Harbor): -John Winner and Millicent Mapes (-1806), dau. of Joseph Mapes -Amos -John, Jr. (-1823) and wife Abigail (probate administrator) -Possibly others (will states "all my children") Family #2 (Egg Harbor): -John (-1839) and wife Harriet (probate administrator) Family #3 (Egg Harbor): -Thomas D. Winner (-1868) and wife Ann -Margaret (-bef 1868) -George S. -Mary -Thomas D. (under age 14 in 1868; d. 1893) -Margaret (under age 14 in 1868) Family #4 (Camden, Camden Co.): -Joseph T. Winner (-1879) and wife Sarah S. -Frank S. Family #5 (Waterford, Gloucester Co.): -William Winner (-1813) -Jesse Winner (probate adminstrator) [probable brother based on 1793 tax lists] c. Miscellaneous Winners: Family #1 (Matawan, Monmouth): [Brother of George King Winner and son of Isaac of Dover Twp.] -Reuben H. Winner (-1871) Family #2 (Delanco, Burlington Co.): [This is the Rev. Isaac Winner.] -Isaac C. Winner (-1868) -John Ogden -Ann Eliza (-bef 1868), wife of L.L.(?) Cowper -unnamed Child -unnamed Child -Josephine P., wife of Dr. Banks -Wm. W. -Isaac C. -Issaiella, wife of ___ Bergen 6. From tax lists and early censuses, there are other Winners in other areas of New Jersey including: A. SOUTHERN NEW JERSEY: -Abraham (Winnor and Winner): Northampton, Burlington Co. Various Lists: 1774, 1787. -Jesse: Northampton Burlington Co. 1793 Tax List -Septuan: Northampton Burlington Co. 1793 Tax List -William: Northampton Burlington Co. 1793 Tax List -John: Great Egg Harbor, Gloucester Co. Various Lists for 1774, 1780, 1781 (Winer), 1782, 1783, 1785 | Winner (I3046)
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| 5091 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This individual is derived from Joyce Cupit. SOURCES_MISC: 1. Joyce Cupit's website | Christensen Dybdahl, Laurits (I3431)
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| 5092 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This individual is derived from Joyce Cupit. SOURCES_MISC: 1. Joyce Cupit's website | Lauritsen Dybdahl, Christen (I2877)
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| 5093 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This individual is derived from the Danish system of patronymics. | Christen (I3432)
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| 5094 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This individual is derived from the Danish system of patronymics. | Peder (I3430)
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| 5095 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This individual is derived from the Danish system of patronymics. | Oluf (I3428)
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| 5096 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This individual is derived from the Danish system of patronymics. | Peder (I2878)
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| 5097 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This individual is derived from the Danish system of patronymics. | Niels (I1471)
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| 5098 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This individual is derived from the Danish system of patronymics. | Palle (I1131)
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| 5099 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This individual is derived from the use of the Danish system of patronymics. | Christen (I2857)
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| 5100 | RESEARCH_NOTES: 1. This individual is difficult to completely figure out. The last name Gordon appears in temple work done shortly after her death in the 1930's by Utah Stoker relatives. This work gives specific a birth date and place and only a death date. The death date coincides with the death date found in Oregon. In all censuses found so far, the first name is Minnie; however, one entry for her daughter Gertrude shows her mother being Rasmine Damgaard. Dangaard is from sketchy Ancestral File entry. 2. Reviewed 6 Jun 2002 Rootsweb.com Worldconnect; no info except as noted below for daughter Gertrude. 3. Censuses: 1880 US: Can't find. 1900 US: Union, Union, Oregon, p. 32 of 35, 19 Jun 1900, 333/337: James Stoker, Mar 1843, 57, md. 14 years, IL, Unk Unk, day laborer. [This is Jared.] Minnie, wife, Sept 1853, 46, md. 14 years, 3 total children all living, Den Den Den. immigrated 1874 with 26 years in the US. Gertrude, dau., Dec 1888, 11, IA IL Den. George, son, Nov 1889, 10, IA IL Den. Harry, son, Apr 1891, 9, IA IL Den. 1910 US: Precinct #1, Union, Oregon, p. 177b, dwelling 163, family 168: Jared S. Stoker, head, 67, married once 25 years, IL NC NC, farm laborer. Mine, wife, 56, m. once 26 years, Den Den Den, 4 total children with 3 living. Gertrude, E., dau., 24, single, IA IL Den, teacher. George W., son, 20, single, IA IL Den, farm laborer. Harry D., son, 18, single, IA IL Den, farm laborer. 1920 US: Minnie not in 1920 Union Precinct #1 census. 1930 US: 4th Ward, Baker City, Baker, Oregon, p. 52b, 2616 7th St., dwelling 195, family 202: George Stoker, Head, 40, single, IA IL Den, mechanic for motor co. Minne, Mother, 76, widow, Den Den Den, immigrated 1873. Harry D., Brother, 37, single, IA IL Den, mine laborer. Note daughter Gertrude E. Tulley is in Eugene, Lane, OR 1930 census, p. 6a, no birthplace given. 4. Three Children: A. Social Security Death Index: George Stoker, b. 9 Nov 1889, d. Sep 1975, last residence Baker City, Baker, OR, ssn 542-52-4363. Harry Stoker, b. 26 Apr 1891, d. Apr 1967, last residence Baker City, Baker, OR, ssn 543-10-5252. Gertrude Tulley, b. 28 Dec 1887, d. Sep 1985, last res. Eugene, Lane, OR, ssn 540-32-7148. B. Oregon Death Index on Ancestry.com: George Wil Stoker, b. Nov 1889, d. 22 Sep 1975 in Baker Co., OR, death cert. #75-13530. Harry D. Stoker, d. 6 Apr 1967 in Baker Co., death cert. 4741. Gertrude Elv Tulley, b. 28 Dec 1887, d. 20 Sep 1985, d. cert. 85-17247, Lane County, husband Harry. C. World Connect: Gertrude E. Stoker, b. 28 Dec 1887 in or near Council Bluffs, Pottawattamie, IA., d. 20 Sep 1985 in Eugene, Lane, OR., m. 28 Dec 1910 in Union, Union, OR to Henry Melvin Tulley, b. 5 Feb 1883. Parents noted as Jared Stoker and Rasmine Daamgaard. D. Ordinance Index: George Stoker, b. 1890, Council Bluffs, Pottawattamie, Iowa. Bap. and End done 2001 and 2002. Harry D. Stoker, b. 26 Apr 1891, Council Bluffs, Pottawattamie, Iowa. Bap. and End. done 2001 and 2002. BIRTH: 1. From Ordinance Index work of the 1930's from shortly after her death done by a Stoker relative. CHRISTENING: 1. Family Tree accessed 23 May 2013. MARRIAGE: 1. Marriage assumed to be before 1887 in Pottawattamie County when daughter Gertrude is born there. DEATH: 1. Ancestry.com Oregon Death Index: "Minnie Stoker, Baker County, d. 4 Nov 1936, certificate #176, J. Stoker spouse." BURIAL: 1. Per Internet site ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/or/union/cemeteries/union-m-z.txt which is a listing of Stokers in the Union Cemetery of Union, Union, OR: Earl M., d. 1 Sep 1893. Minnie E., b. 1853, d. 1936, age 83. Michael J., 22 Jul 1922. Jared S., b. 1843, d. 7 Dec 1912, age 69. W.M., b. 1834, d. 1929, age 95. Cora, b. 1846, d. 19 Jul 1928, age 82. | Dangaard or Damgaard or Gordon, Minnie E. or Rasmine (I353)
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