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- RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Censuses:
1820 US: Johnstown Twp., Fulton, NY, p. 6 of 25, taken in alphabetical order including all of the following Fredericks (males to 10, 10-16, 16-18, 16-26, 26-45, 45+; females to 10, 10-16, 16-26, 26-45, 45+):
Eve; 000000; 00010.
Philip; 000100; 10100.
Jacob; 000100; 10100.
William; 330010; 21110.
Lewis; 300010; 21010.
Philip; 000101; 00001.
George; 210010; 22010.
Jacob; 000100; 10010.
1850 US: Johnstown Township, Fulton, New York, p. 108 of 148, 5 Sep 1850, household 1761:
Family 1845:
Phillip Fredrick, 78, farmer, NY.
Gitty, 87, NY.
Family 1846 in same household:
Wm. G. Fredrick, 36, farmer, $9500, NY.
Jane A. Fredrick, 26, NY.
Henry G. Miller, 29, Lab., NY.
2. Montgomery County, NY, Archives 19 Sep 2007 visit: Mentioned in the book "Abstracts of Wills of Montgomery County, 1787 - 1831": "Frederich[k], Jacob, of Johnstown, will dated 1-13-1815; probated 5-24-1821. Mentions, - sons Lodowick and Phillip; grandson Jacob Goodemoot. Administratrix appointed, Margaret Frederick. Witnesses: Benjamin Rowland, David I. and Elizabeth Conn."
3. The booklet on the Frederick family by Mrs. Alida Reed of Gloversville, NY, 1957 (she died Dec 1966) with copies at the Montgomery Co., NY, Archives and a microfilmed copy on FHL film 1312457, item 4). Alida descends through Hans Jacob Frederick and Margaret Young:
"Philip, b. 7 Mar, 1772, d. 30 May 1857, age 85; md. Gertrude Miller. Children:
Jacob, b. 8 Mar 1794. Sp. Jacob Frederick and Margaret Young (grandparents).
Hannah, b. 25 Dec 1797.
Eva, b. 29 Apr 1802.
Both Philip and his wife Gertrude (Gitty) are buried in Hillebrandt Cemetery."
4. The book "Compendium of Mohawk Valley Families," by Maryly Penrose, p. 282: "Jacob, b. 8 Mar 1794 to Philip and Gertraut (?) Friderich. LTC, Sa." [I assume this is Lutheran Trinity Church, but I am unsure was "Sa" stands for.]
5. Various church records received 30 Jul 2003 from Frederick descendant and researcher Mary Lou Spaulding, 1502 Haney Dr., Hays, KS 67601, 785-628-6465 with the following transcription and notes prepared by her:
1802 entries from the Geissenburg - Lutheran Church per FHL film 0017756:
299: Infant: Anna, b. 2 May 1797, bp. 14 May 1797; parents: Friedrich Brunner und Frau Elizabeth; Testes/Witnesses: Philip Friedrich und Christina Federly.
1105: Infant: Abraham Carnio, b. 27 Nov 1802, bp. 26 Dec 1802; parents: Philip Friedrich und Frau Catharina; Testes/Witnesses: Jacob Friedrich und Frau Eva.
1274: Infant: Susanna, b. 27 Apr 1804, bp. 21 May 1804; parents: John Callemell and Frau Caty; Testes/Witnesses: David Friedrich und Rebecca Carmo.
1360: Infant: Susanna, b. 8 Oct 1804, bp. 18 Nov 1804; parents: Philipp Friedrich und Frau Catharina; Testes/Witnesses: parent.
186: Son: Heinrich Audoph, b. 31 May 1834, bap. 16 Jul 1834; parents: August Frederick und Frau Maria; Testes/Witnesses: Audolph Roge und Frau Mutter Maria.
Note: If you will notice when they list the wife, she is listed as und Frau (and wife). Please take note there are both Philip and David Friedrich listed as Testes/Witnesses. Both these names also are in the Records of Rev. John Calvin Toll.
I found one listing as (not in the same church):
5795: Infant: Catharina, b. 27 Jun 1785, bp. 16 Aug 1785; parents: Francis Frederick und Frau Susanna Gresaart; witnesses: Philip Frederick und Catharina Schuyler. I believe this is why the name of Catharina Schuyler was mistaken as the wife of Philip Frederick. She is listed as a witness but not necessarily the wife of Philip. [Kerry's note: It should also be noted that the Philip of the generation most assign Schuyler to as a wife would have only been about 7 years old at this time.]
Note: Introduction found in the beginning pages of the Geissenberg Church: It is a difficult matter to obtain authentic historical data, concerning a church which ceased to exist as a Congregation in 1836, and whose house of worship was demolished before 1860. The difficulty is increased, owing to the fact that the volume herein transcribed, is not by any means a complete church record, because in the earlier part, it has been copied from an older book as will be seen from the note on page 31. Another church record belonging to the Congregation probably still exists; whether it contains the marriage record of this, the Geisenberg Church, or whether it relates to the Otsquago Church, cannot be determined until the record is found. During the ministry of the Rev. John C. Wieting, and probably for some years later, the Geisenberg and the Otsquago Churches were one ministerial charge, and it is probably that the records were not kept entirely separate from each other. Although the meager historical data obtained leaves the matter in doubt. I am of the opinion that the Otsquago Church is sometimes mentioned in the records, as the Church at Danube or Stark; it was in union with the New York Ministerium, until 1830, after which the name disappears.
The churches to which primarily is due, the passing away of the Geisenberg Church, are the Lutheran Church of Freysbush, organized June 28, 1834, the Lutheran Church in Ford's bush, incorporated, Canajoharie, organized in Feb. 1835, by the Rev. John Eisenlord Jr., the last pastor of the Geisenberg Church.
The Church was probably supplied from Schoharie or Stone Arabia.
The town of Minden was organized on March 2, 1798, being taken off from Canajoharie. On April 7, 1817, the town of Danube was taken off from Minden and annexed to Herkimer County.
Note: Also in this church you will find seven children of Thomas Van Horn and Maria Frederick. Geisenberg Church is also known as Saint Paul's Lutheran Church - at Minden. Geisenberg is now known as Hallsville.
1806: Rev. John Calvin Toll (per FHL film 0017760) Records of Births and Baptisms performed by Rev. John Calvin Toll of the Reformed Dutch Church at Middletown (Mapletown), Westerlo (Sprakees) and Canajoharie, N.Y., by Mrs. Frank N. Becker, of Amsterdam, NY. Indian Castle of Nisketone. From Dec. 5, 1803 to Nov. 25, 1844 with alphabetical index. New York Genealogical and Biographical Society.
Child: Caty; parents David Frederick and Polly Sybal; b. 26 Jan 1806, bp. 18 May 1806. [Kerry's note: Polly is probably the same as Maria since Polly and Maria are usually interchangeable. This would then make her Maria Seibel whose marriage we also have in this note.]
Child: Mary Ann; parents: Phillip Frederick and Caty Germon; b. 16 Apr 1806, bp. 18 May 1806. (From Osquak)
Note: I believe this David Frederick could be the brother of Phillip Frederick. Both David and Philip appear in the Geissenburg records if you will notice in the above entries. This child, Mary Ann, would fit numerically in the order of children in our Philip's family group.
1793: Minden, Montgomery County, New York - Church Records (Lutheran) (FHL film 1294886 [KP note: this is the wrong film number; film is 17640 and are the transcribed records of "The Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Caughnawaga, now The Reformed Church of Fonda, in the village of Fonda, Montgomery, NY; the actual marriage transcription reads "Octbr. 29, 1793, Philip J. Frederick to Gertruyde Miller" without the added commentary below.]):
Philip J., b. @1768, son of Francis Frederick and Susanna Cossadt, of Fonda or Glen, Montgomery Co, md. 22 Oct 1793 at Fonda, Gertrude Miller of Montg. Co., b. @ 1772.
Hannah Frederick, b. 25 Dec 1797 at Mohawk, Montgomery Co., N.Y., daug. of Philip Frederick and Gertrude Miller.
1805: German Reformed Church - Minden, Ft. Plain, Montgomery, NY (FHL film 1435720). Pages missing/record missing from Oct. 1796 thru to Dec. 1804. The first part of Vol. 1 has been torn out and all the pages of Baptisms for 1809 are missing. Ft. Plain Church began 18 Mar 1788. Marriages 1805: June 2nd: David Frederick and Maria Seibel of Osquack, by John J. Wack. V.L.M. pro tempore. Note: most likely the marriage of Philip and Catherine is among the missing pages."
6. Received 30 Jul 2003 from Frederick descendant and researcher Mary Lou Spaulding, 1502 Haney Dr., Hays, KS 67601, 785-628-6465:
FHL film 9513920 mentions Philip Frederick and Gitty (another name for Gertrude). You will also find in the same film the name of Peter Crosset, which is probably the same family as Susannah Cossadt, in the same church (Reformed Dutch Church, Caughnawaga) where she is married you will find several young men who seem to be all one family. The name is spelled several different ways on different records, but I feel they are all the same family."
BIRTH:
1. The actual birth place is unknown. Both Jacob Frederick and Margaret Young were of Warrensbush (now Florida Township) in Montgomery Co. They both did eventually end up in Johnstown, which is about 10 miles max from Mill Point and north across the Mohawk River. When they moved is not known except that they did buy land there at Keck Center in 1792. They may have been paying quit-rent on the property before then since it was about the early 1790 when many of the landowners were finally selling the quit-rented land. Alida Reed in her booklet already referenced elsewhere in these notes indicates she believes they moved there shortly after the birth of their first child Peter. She is confident that it may have been no later than when Margaret was born in 1785 because the sponsors at Margaret's birth were Jacob Bossert and his wife Margaret. She says, "In the genealogy of the Bossart family (sometimes spelled Boshart and Bushart) we find the first of that family did live in the section of Johnstown that leads to Fonda. So they were probably neighbors." I currently use "of Warrensbush."
BURIAL:
1. 4 Nov 2007 website http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyfulton/cemeteries/HillabrandtCem.html: "This cemetery is located just north of the Old Hillabrant Farm in the town of Johnstown. These inscriptions were copied September 11, 1947 by Dr. R. M. Palmer, Former Fulton County Historian. This transcript can be found at the Johnstown Historical Society, William Street, Johnstown, New York. It was sent in to the Fulton County GenWebsite by James Morrison, archivist for Johnstown Historical Society and was transcribed by Linda Jasztal, March 8, 2000:
Ira Frederick. Died May 17, 1881. Aged 49 yrs., 1 mo. and 17 days
Dearest Ira though hast left us Thy loss we deeply feal; [sic] Tis god that hath bereft us He can all our sorrows heal.
Philip Frederick. Died May 30, 1857. Aged 85 yrs., 2 mo. and 23 days.
Gitty Frederick, wife of Philip Frederick. Died - - y 1, 185 - . Stone broken."
SOURCES_MISC:
1. Per family group sheet submitted by Mrs. Nellie Pearson Lang (2 ggdau), Duchesne, Utah. She references: "LDS Temple records of St. George; LDS Ward records of Monroe, Huntington, UT; Huntington Cemetery Rec. Utah, p. 973 v22 no 513; Historian's office Patriarchal Blessing, vol. 11, pg. 231." Copy in files of Kerry Petersen.
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Chris & Julie Petersen's Genealogy
1772 - 1857 (85 years)