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- RESEARCH_NOTES;
1. Censuses:
1790 US: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyherkim/census/mohawk1790.html; 1790 Census, Montgomery County, MohawkTown:
1st No.-Free white males over 16 years 2nd No.-Free white males under 16 years 3rd No.-Free white females 4th No.-All other free persons 5th No.-Slaves
*illegible
Brittain, Abraham - 1-2-5-0-0 [Abraham Brinton?] Frederick, Francis - 1-3-3-0-0 Frederick, Peter - 1-3-5-0-0 Frederick, Philip - 1-0-1-0-2
Marlet, Michael - 1-1-4-0-0 Mower, Hendrick - 1-1-1-0-0
VanHorn, Cornelius - 2-2-5-0-0 VanHorn, Thomas - 1-1-5-0-*
1800 US: Minden, Montgomery, New York, p. 10 of 19, these two were next door neighbors and related by marriage, the columns are first male then female 0-9, 10-15, 16-25, 26-44, 45+:
Francis Frederick: 1-0-1-1-0; 1-1-0-1-0
Thomas Van Horne: 2-1-0-1-0; 1-1-0-1-0
2. FHL book 974.761D2G "Early Families of Herkimer County New York, Descendants of the Burnetsfield Palatines," by William V.H. Barker, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1986, preface and p. 319: "Thomas Van Horne - - born Hunterdon Co., New Jersey 14 May 1748 (son of Mathias Van Horne and Nelly Crumm); died Springfield, NY 26 Feb 1841; m. Caughnawaga NY 21 Oct 1779 Maria Frederick dau. of Philip Frederick and Sophia Saltz. A Lt. in the Col. Frederick Fischer's 3rd Tryon Co. militia in the Revolution. Other Van Hornes in Fischer's unit included an Abram, Cornelius, Henry, and John. Thomas lived at Otsego Co. NY and his children were baptised at St. Paul's Luth. Church in Minden, NY. Had fourteen children, as given in Van Horne book, Mathias, Leah (bp. 1781, m. Robert Davis), Philip (b. 1784, m. Margaret Eckler), Sophia (b. 1786, M. John Eckler), Eleanora (b. 1788, m. George Shaul), Eve (b. 1789, m. Jacob I. Young), Anna (b. 1791, m. John G. Shaul), Cornelius (b. 1793, m. Catherine Shanhultz), Magdalena (b. 1795, m. John E. Eckler), Elizabeth (b. 1797, m. William Van Horne), Abram (b. 1799, m.1. Dorothy Shanhultz), Thomas (b. 1802, d.y.), Maria (b. 1804, m. John Wyckoff), and Francis (b. 1809, d.y.)"
3. Birth, marriage, and father of Maria is mentioned in the following from Heritage Quest online copy of the American Revolutionary War pension file no. W.18210, 16 pages, for Thomas Van Horne whose spouse is Maria. Notes he died 26 Feb 1841; Maria is listed as a widow with continuing pension issued 13 Sep 1844. A later date also shows 27 Jun 1853. At the time of the application, he is listed of Otsego Co., NY. He was a private in the Company commanded by Col. Fisher in the Tryon County NY Militia Troops. Also served under Captains Harmanus Mable and Joseph Yeomans.
Original testimony for the pension papers are from an 16 Oct 1832 court appearance in which he states he is 87 years old living in Springfield, Otsego Co., NY. At the commencement and during the War he resided in Warren's Bush, now the town of Florida, south of the Mohawk River, about two miles within the now County of Montgomery. He was enrolled as a private in Capt. Samuel Pettingill's company in a regiment commanded by Col. Frederick Fisher. His first engagement was a year before Independence was declared in responding to an alarm from "Cognawaga about 5 miles distant." During the year of Independence he was at Johnstown District when Gen'l Schyler was there and they disarmed the Tories. He was "out to Johnstown, Sochnedaga, Caunewaga, and various other places that summer." That winter, he was in Johnstown. During the summer of 1777, he was in Capt. Pettingill's company under Gen'l Herkimer and Col. Cox, in pursuit about 70 miles of Indians under the Indian chief Joseph Brant. On their return, they were called out to Fort Stanwix and he was present at the Oriskany Battle when Gen'l Herkimer was mortally wounded and Capt. Pettingill was killed. Lieut. Snook was appointed Captain and Thomas was made 1st Lieutenant. That summer they were constantly called upon. He and a part of the company were "on the way to Saratoga at the time Burgoine was taken but stopped at Schenectady on hearing by express that he had surrendered." He was at Ticonderoga in the winter of the building of the bridge across Lake George, an expedition of three weeks. His service continued every year of the War but he could not recall all of the places. Sometimes they were called out for a day, a couple of days, sometimes a week, and sometimes a couple of weeks. He was a Lieutenant the entire war. He was at Fort Plain, Fort Plank, German Flatts, Stone Arabia, Little Falls, and various other places many times. He could not recall all the places and times. He guarded the "batteaux" with provisions up the Mohawk River to Fort Stanwix and another time guarded to the same place a drove of cattle. He was at Cherry Valley immediately after the burning and murrders done at that place. That on these occasions he went "uniformily armed, with six days provisions." From home, he was "at all times liable to be called out at a moment's warning and was constantly prepared for alarms." He "did not pretend to do but little business - that whatever was raised was liable at all times to be destroyed and burned." The settlement within a half of a mile of where he lived was entirely burnt off by the Indians. As an officer, he was constantly scouting abroad or protecting himslef, family and neighborhood at home. He signs his name in full: Thomas Vanhorne.
The next court affidavit states that "he was born in the year 1745 - that he never has had any record of his age but has always understood there was a record thereof upon the Church Book in Hunterdon County, New Jersey where he was born. After the Revolution he moved to a place called Osuago in the town of Minden, Montgomery Co. - now the town of Stark in the County of Herkimer. He resided there until about 19 years ago when he moved to the town of Otsego now the town of Springfield in the County of Otsego where he now resides. Local Rev. John Swain's name is given as a reference. This latter affidavit signed 7 Jun 1833. Later it is stated that he did not receive his written commission as a First Lieutenant until much later on 8 Mar 1781.
An affidavit dated 29 Jun 1841 is included from Maria Van Horne, aged 83 years, of Springfield, Otsego, New York, that her husband is deceased. She further declares that she was married to Thomas Van Horne at her father's house (Phillip Frederick) in the town of Florida, Montgomery Co., NY, by the Rev. Thomas Romeyn 21 Oct 1779. The said Thomas Romeyn being the pastor of the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Caughnawaga. Confirms her husband died on 26 Feb 1841 at Springfield. That the Church record attached is correct as regards to the marriage. Signed with an "x".
An affidavit from Jacob D. Fonda confirming the above referenced church marriage record.
An affidavit from Leah Davis, dau. of Thomas Vanhorn, dated 17 Feb 1853 of Ontario Co., NY asserting her rights to prosecute a claim against the pension of Thomas Vanhorn.
In a 1940 letter to Peggy A. Rainey of Decatur, Iowa, the Pension office recites all of the above and adds that in 1841, their third Child, Phillip Van Horne, was a resident of Springfield, New York, and aged 57 years.
4. Http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Enymontgo/montgaz1.html: "Caughnawaga, it is well known, was once an Indian Village, a principal Town of the Mohawk Indians. The name signifies 'a Coffin,' which it received from the circumstance of there being, in the river opposite that place, a large black stone, [still to be seen,] resembling a coffin, and projecting above the surface at low water. Of this name, as of many others of Indian origin, it may be here remarked, that this orthography, which seems to come the nearest to the pronunciation, according to the ear or fancy of one person, may not do so to the ear of another. There is no such thing as a rule, applicable to cases of this kind, only to simplify the word, and modernise it, so far as may be consistent with a due preservation of etymology. There are few, perhaps no Indian sounds or words, which different persons would represent by the same English letters. The difficulty is also farther increased by the synonyma of rude dialeuts. In that of the Mohawks, the same expression is used for Coffin, Death, Destruction, &c., and they have traditions of many lives being lost on this Rock, now not in the main channel, and only visible at low water. In like manner they use one and the same expression for youth, morning, spring, east, &c.,- To my ear, hearing an old Mohawk speak Cahnawaga, his expression seems to me better represented by these letters, than by adding ug, and I am always rather inclined to shorten words, when I can without detriment. This Tribe was always called the Mohawks, by the other Tribes of the Confederacy of Aganuschioni, or United People; and there is good evidence that between them and the Onondagas, there was for ages a contest for supremacy, as long and as bloody as that between the rival houses of York and Lancaster, in our English Father-land."
5. Some family histories among LDS descendants of the Fredericks list a Mary Frederick born to Philip and Maria Sophia (Saltz) Frederick. I believe this to be erroneous and recopied and recopied among the LDS histories. I find no documentation of a Mary through christenings, marriages, etc. for Mary. I believe some have confused her with Maria who married Thomas Van Horne.
BIRTH:
1. The Philip Frederick Mill dates from 1750 according to the New York state historical highway marker sign. Maria Saltz's father lived just down the road. This would help us surmise that all of their children were born at "Millpoint" within the modern boundaries of Florida township in Montgomery County. Millpoint still shows up on modern-day maps and was probably named after the Frederick Mill. See Philip's notes for more on this mill and its present-day location.
2. In the pension of her husband, she states she was 83 years old in 1841 which would put her birth in 1758, which in turn conflicts with the 1761 Christening (and presumably birth) of Margarita as noted in the Church Records as cited in her notes above. Not sure what is correct unless the baptism was performed 3 years after the birth.
CHRISTENING:
1. Records of the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Caughnawaga, now the Reformed Church of Fonda, in the village of Fonda, Montgomery County, N.Y. New York, unknown, 1917, 748 pp.: Magdalena, dau. of Philip Frederick and Sophia Saltz, baptism record 13 Sep 1761 with sponsors Willem Jong and Eva Jong.
2. From the book "Compendium of Early Mohawk Valley Families," by Maryly B. Penrose, v. 1, p. 282, Birth/Baptism:
"Frederick, Phillip and Sophia (Salts):
Margarita, bapt. 1758 (DRC:2) Sponosrs: Pieter Jong and Margariet Jong.
Magdalena, bapt. 13 Sep 1761 (DRC:6) Sponsors Willem Jong & Eva Jong.
Catrina, bapt. 1764 (note: parents names crossed out in record) (DRC:12) Sponsors Philip Frederick and Sophia Frederick.
MARRIAGE:
1. Marriage records of "Records of the Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Caughnawaga: now the Reformed Church of Fonda, in the village of Fonda, Montgomery County, N.Y.," New York, 1917, 748 pp.:
Lodewyk Frederick and Alida Miller, 21 Mar 1774.
Frans Frederick and Susanna Cosaadt, 30 Dec 1774.
Frans Cosaadt and Nancy Johnson, 20 Jun 1777.
Thomas Van Horne and Maria Frederick, 21 Oct 1779.
Peter Frederick and Elizabeth Marlet, 21 Oct 1779 [same time as Thomas Van Horne.]
(Illegible) Mair? and the daughter of Philip Fredrick, 23 Jan 1788. [Could this be Hendrick Mower and Elizabeth Frederick?]
Christian Plank and Hannah Frederick, 1 Jan 1801.
George Frederick and Caty Cag, 21 Feb 1803.
2. From a typescript in the Frederick family file at the Montgomery Co. NY Archives: "St. Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church, Schoharie, Schoharie Co., NY, Marriages:
July 29, 1779, N.B. These are here only proclaimed by me:
Peter Friederich and Elisabeth Melead
Thomas Van horen and Maria Fredrich"
DEATH:
1. From my visit to the Montgomery County, NY, Archives Sep 2007, the following typescript was in the Van Horne Family file, author and date unknown, pp. 44-51:
Widow's Pension, 18210: Maria Van Horne, aged 83, of Springfield, NY, widow of Thomas Van Horne applied, 29 June 1841, for pension based on service of her said husband, stating that he died in Springfield, 26 Feb. 1841, to begin 27 Feb. 1841. Maria also filed for difference between private's pension and officer's pension, which was allowed.
True copy signed by Jacob D. Fonda, Pastor, 1841, who stated that the marriage record of Thomas Van Horne and Maria Frederick on registry books of Reformed Protestant Dutch Church of Caughnawaga and the date is expressed in 'far legible' as follows: '1779 Oct. 21 by Rev. Thomas Romeyn, Pastor.'
29 Jun 1841, Philip Van Horne, aged 57, of Springfield, NY, he is the third son of Thomas and Maria Van Horne. [Second son?]
Last payment to the widow appears in Book O, page 112, file National Archives, 1845, Albany Agency; Act of 1836. Her date of death not given. 17 Feb 1853, Leah Davis, of Ontario County, NY, a daughter of Thomas and Maria Van Horne filed for anything due. Various persons requested information between 1893 and 1939: Harold N. Moyer, E.F. Dutton, H.O. Rosencrants, Mrs. Owen Bowman and Peggy-Ann Rainey, their places of residence being included.
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1761 - Abt 1845 (~ 83 years)