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Lemchen Elias Herzenberg

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  • Name Lemchen Elias Herzenberg 
    Born Abt 1843  Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Person ID I3972  Petersen-de Lanskoy
    Last Modified 27 May 2021 

    Father Joseph or Jossel Elias Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1816, of Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 4 Oct 1881, Liepaja (Libau), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 65 years) 
    Mother Rebecca Dine Iddelson,   b. Bef 1817, of Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1881, Liepaja (Libau), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age > 64 years) 
    Married Bef 1836  of Liepaja (Libau), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID F1903  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • RESEARCH_NOTES:
      1. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. Sources are LA for Latvian Archives and FA for Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes). In regards to this individual:
      Name variations: Lämmchen, Lemchen, Lemchen Elias.
      LA 009 shows b. 1843 in Libau.
      LA 012/014 shows b. 1843.
      FA002 shows b. 1843.
      Peter also notes: Lemchen Elias - Initially this name seems inconsistent with other siblings when considering "extrapolation," as it suggests he may have been the son of Elias H. He is entered here as the son of Josiph. There are precedents elsewhere showing joint names and suggest this is such a case. Due to the many Lemchens in the family at that time, this would have seemed an obvious choice of names for one of Joseph H's sons. Besides, all the LA documents support the name, his birth date, whether as Lemchen, Lämmchen, or Lemchen Elias H.

      2. The Latvian Archives is online and I have reviewed all Registers for Pilten. Registers are in German and I indicate what I don't understand. I extracted all Herzenbergs of which the following excerpts apply to this family:
      "<http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/en/menu/lv/13/ig/13/ie/5507/book/30316.html>
      -Image 177. Has two columns of ages after the name with the first being 1850 and the second 1854; presumably if missing in the second column then probably deceased in the interim. I believe the Archives indicates they had a 1851 revision list, which may be what they call the first column; however, it appears more like 1850 in reality age-wise. List # 156, Family #49:
      -210 Jossel Elias Herzenberg, 33-1/2, 37-1/2
      -his wife Dinne
      -211 son Hirsch, 14, 18
      -212 son Lemchen Elias, 7, 11
      -Image 260. Has two columns of ages after the name with the first being 1858 and the second 1871. List #217, Family #45:
      -188 Jossel Elias Herzenberg, 41-1/2, 54-1/2 [Has extensive notes needing translation.]
      -his wife Diene
      -189 son Lämmchen, 15, 28
      -190 son Elkann, 8, 21"

      3. Ancestry.com's "Latvia: Courland Registers and Family Lists, 1845-1874" in partnership with JewishGen lists the following from Piltene. The information below fits the age of Lemchen except it is reported he was in Piltene whereas one source Peter uses above shows him born in Liepaja. I suspect the correct interpretation is that later he moved to Liepaja, but was born in Piltene and lived there until at least 1871. His father and mother are in the same registration (see their notes):
      A. Lämme Herzenberg, age 28 in 1871, b. abt 1843, registration town Piltene, Recruit's Enlistment register, Fond #630, family number 54, Oklad (tax reference) # 230.

      4. Archival Research Paper about Herzenberg Family prepared for Harold Hodes 23 Mar 1999 and is report no. Nr. 3-H-2962, by Latvijas Valsts Vestures Arhivs (Latvian National Archives), Slokas iela 16, Riga, LV-1007, copy of only page 1 in my possession but evidently other pages exist:
      "In reply to your application please be informed that the recruits enlistment registers of the Jewish families belonging to the Jewish community in Pilten for the years 1842, 1848, 1854, 1871 (see app. No. 1-4), census lists of the Jewish families belonging to Pilten for the years 1898, 1899 as well as the birth records of the Jewish community in Libau (now Liepaja) for the years 1836-1853, 1854, 1857-1905, marriage and death recods of the same community for years 1854-1905, as available at our archives, contain the following information:
      Rabbi Jossel (or Josiph) Herzenberg was a son of Elias Herzenberg from Pilten. He was born in ca 1815-1816, possible in Pilten. Since our archives keep birth, marriage and death records of the Jewish communites for the time period from 1854, when they started to be kept officially, it is impossible to confirm the dates fevore 1854.
      Jossel's father - a Rabbi Elias - son of Joseph Herzenberg, born in ca 1774, died in 1842.
      Jossel's mother - Chiene Herzenberg (maiden name not stated), born in ca 1780.
      Jossel's wife - Dine (Dinne, Diene) née Iddelson (birth date is unknown).
      They had children:
      -son Hirsh, born in ca 1836,
      -son Lämmchen, born in ca 1843,
      -son Elkan (Elkann), born in ca 1850,
      -daughter Sheine, born on August 31 of 1857 in Libau (see App. No. 6),
      -daughter Meriam, born on June 15 of 1859 in Libau (see App. No. 7).
      Elkan - son of Jossel Herzenberg married Doris (Dobra, Doba) daughter of Aizik Dreyer, born in ca 1852. The marriage records of the Jewish community in Libau for the years 1870-1875 do not contain information on their marriage. The... [end of 1st page and my copy]"

      SOURCES_MISC:
      1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/