Chris & Julie Petersen's Genealogy

Chiene or Hanna

Female Abt 1780 - Aft 1842  (~ 63 years)


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  • Name Chiene or Hanna  
    Born Abt 1780  of Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Female 
    Died Aft 1842  Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I3968  Petersen-de Lanskoy
    Last Modified 27 May 2021 

    Family Elias or Eliahu Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1774, of Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 22 May 1844, Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 70 years) 
    Married Bef 1805  of Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. Hirsch Israel Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1805, of Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1843, Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 38 years)
     2. Joseph or Jossel Elias Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1816, of Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 4 Oct 1881, Liepaja (Libau), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 65 years)
    Last Modified 28 May 2021 
    Family ID F1893  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • RESEARCH_NOTES:
      1. The Latvian Archives is online and I have reviewed all Registers for Pilten. Registers are in German and I indicate what I don't understand. I extracted all Herzenbergs of which the following excerpts apply to this family:
      "<http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/en/menu/lv/13/ig/13/ie/5507/book/30316.html>
      -Image 56. Has two columns of ages after the male names with the first being 1834 and the second 1842; one column for female names probably 1842. Family #287:
      -325 Rabbi Elias Joseph Herzenberg. 60, 68 [Has comment; Feigmanis translates as "Died 22 May 1844."]
      -his wife Chiene, 62
      -326 his son Jossel, 17-1/2, 25-1/2
      -Image 102. (Refer to item g above.) Has two columns of ages after the name with the first being 1834 and the second 1848; presumably if missing in the second column then probably deceased in the interim. List # 286, Family #160:
      -325 Elias Joseph Herzenberg. 60, - [Comment needing translation but appears to be death in 1842.]
      -326 his son Jossel, 17, 31
      -413 [Marinauter?] Hirsch Israel, 29, - [Comment needing translation but appears to be death in 1843.]"

      2. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. Sources are LA for Latvian Archives and FA for Aleksandrs Feigmanis (Latvian researcher hired by Harold Hodes). In regards to this individual:
      Name variations: Chiene, Hanna.
      LA009 shows b. 1780, last domicile Piltene.
      FA002 shows b. 1780.
      LA015 shows b. 1780.
      Peter also notes: Chiene - Latvia Archives (LA) documents give the birth date as 1780 and the newly introduced date 1783/4 requires verification.

      3. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007. Copies of much of his data from the website in my possession. Sources are LA for Latvian Archives and YL is Len Yodaiken (Israeli researcher hired by Harold Hodes). In regards to Chiene's son Hirsch Israel:
      Name variations: Hirsh Israel
      LA013 shows b. 1803/5 and d. 1843.
      YL
      Peter also notes: Hirsh Israel - This is the first time the name Hirsh appears. The annexation of the name Israel points to the mother. At this time Rabbi Mendel Israelsohn took over as Rabbi in Libau. Subsequently, we find the name Mendel repeated in this branch, suggesting the Rabbi's daughter may have married Chone H. [KP: Chone is erroneous and needs to be corrected to Elias Joseph H.] There may have been a previous Hirsh or, this may be an abbreviation of Herzenberg as pointed out by previous researcher (Herzenberg = Hirsh enberg).

      4. Archival Research Paper about Herzenberg Family prepared for Harold Hodes 23 Mar 1999 and is report no. Nr. 3-H-2962, by Latvijas Valsts Vestures Arhivs (Latvian National Archives), Slokas iela 16, Riga, LV-1007, copy of only page 1 in my possession but evidently other pages exist:
      "In reply to your application please be informed that the recruits enlistment registers of the Jewish families belonging to the Jewish community in Pilten for the years 1842, 1848, 1854, 1871 (see app. No. 1-4), census lists of the Jewish families belonging to Pilten for the years 1898, 1899 as well as the birth records of the Jewish community in Libau (now Liepaja) for the years 1836-1853, 1854, 1857-1905, marriage and death recods of the same community for years 1854-1905, as available at our archives, contain the following information:
      Rabbi Jossel (or Josiph) Herzenberg was a son of Elias Herzenberg from Pilten. He was born in ca 1815-1816, possible in Pilten. Since our archives keep birth, marriage and death records of the Jewish communites for the time period from 1854, when they started to be kept officially, it is impossible to confirm the dates fevore 1854.
      Jossel's father - a Rabbi Elias - son of Joseph Herzenberg, born in ca 1774, died in 1842.
      Jossel's mother - Chiene Herzenberg (maiden name not stated), born in ca 1780.
      Jossel's wife - Dine (Dinne, Diene) née Iddelson (birth date is unknown).
      They had children:
      -son Hirsh, born in ca 1836,
      -son Lämmchen, born in ca 1843,
      -son Elkan (Elkann), born in ca 1850,
      -daughter Sheine, born on August 31 of 1857 in Libau (see App. No. 6),
      -daughter Meriam, born on June 15 of 1859 in Libau (see App. No. 7).
      Elkan - son of Jossel Herzenberg married Doris (Dobra, Doba) daughter of Aizik Dreyer, born in ca 1852. The marriage records of the Jewish community in Libau for the years 1870-1875 do not contain information on their marriage. The... [end of 1st page and my copy]"