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Lemchen or Lämmchen Herzenberg

Male Abt 1780 - 1840  (~ 60 years)


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  • Name Lemchen or Lämmchen Herzenberg 
    Born Abt 1779/80  of Ventspils (Windau), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Died 1840  of Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I3948  Petersen-de Lanskoy
    Last Modified 27 May 2021 

    Father Joseph or Jossel Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1750, Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 1815, Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 65 years) 
    Mother Taube,   b. Abt 1751, , Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1811, of Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 61 years) 
    Family ID F1622  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Schore,   b. Abt 1778, of Ventspils (Windau), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1842, Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 65 years) 
    Married Bef 1798  of Ventspils (Windau), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. Levin Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1800, Ventspils (Windau), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1867, Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 67 years)
     2. Leah Herzenberg,   b. 1802, Ventspils (Windau), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1871, of Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 69 years)
     3. Elias or Eliahu Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1804, Ventspils (Windau), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1888, Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 84 years)
     4. Aaron-Arye Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1806, Ventspils (Windau), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location
     5. Balkan Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1808, Ventspils (Windau), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location
     6. Joseph or Yosef or Jossel Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1809, Ventspils (Windau), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1877, Kuldiga (Goldingen), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 69 years)
     7. Laser or Leiser Herzenberg,   b. Aft 1821, of Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1907, of Ventspils (Windau), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age < 84 years)
    Last Modified 28 May 2021 
    Family ID F1887  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • RESEARCH_NOTES:
      1. Archival Research Paper about Herzenberg Family prepared for Kerry Petersen 28 Feb 2011 and is report no. Nr. 3-P-272, 2816, 1927 N, by Latvijas Valsts Vestures Arhivs (Latvian National Archives), Slokas iela 16, Riga, LV-1007. Complete transcript is in the notes of Edouard/Elias Ocipovitch Herzenberg and the following is but a partial transcript:
      "The recruits' enlistment registers of the Jewish families belonging to Pilten for 1842, 1848, 1854, 1871, the revision lists of the Jewish families belonging to Pilten, set up on August 15 of 1851, the merchant's lists of Goldingen for 1868, 1874, 1875 contain the following information about Herzenberg family (we would like to draw your attention to the fact that very often the age of person was determined by their outward appearance and was stated in some documents rather approximately):
      1. Joseph Herzenberg, his sons:
      1.1. Elias, son of Joseph Herzenberg, born in ca 1774 (aged 68 in 1842), died on May 22 of 1844. His wife Chiene, born in ca 1780 (aged 62 in 1842). They had children.
      1.2. Chone, son of Joseph Herzenberg, born in ca 1792 (aged 50 in 1842). His wife Schore, born in ca 1792 (aged 50 in 1842). They had children.
      1.3. Lemchen, son of Joseph Herzenberg, born in ca 1779/1780 (aged 54 in 1834), died 1840. His wife Schore (the age is not stated). Their sons…"

      2. The Latvian Archives is online and I have reviewed all Registers for Pilten. Registers are in German and I indicate what I don't understand. I extracted all Herzenbergs of which the following excerpts apply to this family:
      A. http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/en/menu/lv/13/ig/13/ie/5507/book/30313.html
      -Image 47: "Lemchen Joseph Herzenberg" is title of an entire return page at Pilten 22 Sep 1811 containing:
      -Lemgen Joseph Herzenberg, 33 (Side comment: Lemgen [Lemchen] Joseph [son of Joseph] Herzenberg was registered under oklad Number 38 in Windau in September of 1811, lived in the house Nr. 9.)
      -his wife Sorre, 33
      -their sons:
      -Lewin, 9
      -Elias, 6
      -Leyser Abraham, (no age). (Comment on side: Father-in-law of Lemchen [father of Sorre, in German - Schwiegervate])- Leiser Abraham, aged 80, blind, see the lists of invalids.)
      -Chasse, (female) 16 (maid)
      Residents in the same home:
      -Zoddach Abraham Pabst, 29
      -Beile (female), 36
      -Sorre (female), 1
      -Behr Josell Schwalbe, 28
      -Reÿline (female), 18
      -Moses Marcus, 19
      -Image 69: "Lemchen Joseph Herzenberg" is title of an entire return section at Pilten 22 Sep 1811 containing:
      -Lemgen Joseph Herzenberg, (no age)
      -his [brother?] Chonne Joseph Herzenberg, 18 [Has relational and other comments needing translation; most likely fraternal.]
      -his wife, Sorre, 18
      -his daughter, Riffke, 1
      -his mother, Taube, 60 [This is a big find - wife of the original Joseph.]
      -his [?] Lewin Wulf Edelstein, 17
      -his wife, Schoene, 15
      B. <http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/en/menu/lv/13/ig/13/ie/5507/book/30316.html>
      -Image 17. Has two columns of ages after the name with the first being 1834 and the second 1842; presumably if missing in the second column then probably deceased in the interim. Family #38:
      -31 Lemchen Joseph Herzenberg, 54, - (Died in 1840 at age 61.)
      -his wife Schore (no ages)
      -32 his son Leiser, 13, 21
      -33 his son Joseph, 25, 33
      -34 his son Ruben, 8, 16
      -35 his son Laser, 5, 13
      -36 his son Jacob, 4, 12
      -Image 73. Has two columns of ages after the name with the first being 1834 and the second 1848; presumably if missing in the second column then probably deceased in the interim. List # 33, Family #10:
      -31 Lemchen Joseph Herzenberg, 54, - (Died in 1840.) [Also additional comment needing translation with the year 1846 in it.]
      -32 son Laser, 13, 27
      -33 son Joseph, 25, 33
      -his wife Zippe
      -34 his son Ruben, 8, 22
      -35 son Laser, 5, 19
      -36 son Jacob, 4, 18

      3. Transcription from Peter Bruce Herzenberg's website on the Herzenberg (Website no longer active as of 2007):
      "The Early Herzenbergs.
      Joseph I appears as a patronymic only in:
      (1) the 1811 census as the father of Lemchen (39) born 1772 and as father of Elias (40) born 1771.
      (2) the Latvian Archives Appendix 1 of 1842 as the father of Elias (68) b. 1774.
      (3) Appendix 2 confirms this date.
      From this we learn that Elias and Lemchen were brothers and very close in age.
      Lemchen from the above was born in 1772
      From the Feigmanis report, we have the 1818 list of Piltene Jews made for taxation purposes. This is numbered 96-1-433a of the Latvian State Archives. Lemchen son of Joseph appears as being 17 years old, therefore born in 1801. This represents a huge discrepancy. Elias appears as 40 years old, thus born in 1778, another new date for Elias although fairly close to those above. Also mentioned is Chone son of Joseph (the Yiddish for Elchanan and the civil name Elkan) - he appears to have been born in 1884 [Kerry's note: assume this is typo for 1784.]
      The question [asked of Peter Herzenberg] is: were there two contemporary Josephs born of whom had sons named Elias and Lemchen, or is one of the dates for Lemchen patently wrong?"

      4. Website of Peter Bruce Herzenberg of London, England (since relocated to South Africa). Website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007:
      "In the case of the Herzenbergs the starting point is the family information that Alexandrs Feigmanis found in the Censuses from 1811 and 1815. from 1811 we have Eliahu the son of Joseph b. 1771, from 1815 we have Lemchen the son of Joseph b. 1772. Also from 1815 we have Levin (Leib) son of Lemchen b. 1798. As a generation is usually considered to be between 25 and 30 years on average the latter Lemchen (the father) would have been born around 1768 - 1773. My conclusion was that both Lemchens were called after a common grandfather and made him the apex of the family."
      "Leonardo H. introduced Lemchen as his starting point and gives a birth date of 1790. This by itself is correct as the tree can start with anyone or usually with the earliest known person. This entry has unintentionally shrouded an otherwise obvious fact, and the clue is there. Leonardo makes no mention of Osher! We know by his grave, that Lemchen existed as well as a second Lemchen, his brother known as Osher, Lemel (Lemchen) b Joseph. It is the birth date of the second Lemchen that Leonardo records, but attaches this to the first Lemchen, hence unintentionally confuses the two when later viewed in this context. Based purely on the assumption that the entry was correct, Len Yodaiken was forced to introduce other entities by the process of extrapolation as explained above. In other words, if the son's name mentions his father by name, then you need to enter that person, even if there are no records to prove his existence. Common sense really! This resultant duplication of the Josephs who by Len's own calculations were born in 1695, 1745 & 1748 respectively, splits the family into two definite branches at a point prior to any known records, namely from the supposed Joseph born 1695. In order for the two later grandsons named Joseph (1745 & 1748) to appear he had to invent their fathers and hence we have another duplication in the name Lemchen and Elias, both shown as born around 1720, allowing for the rule of thumb of 25 years when working backward for the previous generation. The physical records show only one Joseph born in 1750~ which accounts for the 1745 & 1748 as being the same person. To reiterate, since Leonardo makes no reference to Osher in his records, he could not have known he had misplaced Lemchen. Now with two proven Lemchens, if put into the right date order, many things become apparent. Immediately, Len's need for extrapolation becomes redundant as all the fathers are already present in the tree. This causes Joseph of 1695 and his 'supposed' sons Lemchen and Elias of 1720 to exit from the tree. Importantly all known names now fit the tree. More importantly, this changes the position entirely, making for one trunk...hence demonstrating that we are descendant from one family after all."

      5. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
      Aizpute-Hasenpoth
      Jelgava-Mitau
      Kuldiga-Goldingen
      Liepaja-Libau
      Piltene-Pilten
      Talsi-Talsen
      Ventspils-Windau

      6. Data from a copy captured of Peter Bruce Herzenberg's website of London, England, since relocated to South Africa (website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007). See more on his research and data in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg in this database. Sources for this individual are LA is Latvian Archives. In regards to this individual:
      Name variations: Lemchen, Lemchen b. Joseph.
      LA018 shows b. 1772 in Piltene Kurland.

      7. Received 30 Apr 2009 a copy of the following from Irene Gottleib Slatter entitled "Archival Reference about Brenson Family. It was prepared for Nina Kossman Dec 2006 and is report no. 3-K-7622; 7794N by Latvijas Valsts Vestures Arhivs (Latvian National Archives), Slokas iela 16, Riga, LV-1007. The following is only a partial transcript concerning this individual; please see the notes of Isidor Brenson within this database to see full and complete transcript including sources and documentation:
      "The records of the archival fonds "Collection of Passports of Riga Prefecture," "Riga City House Registers," the birth records of the Jewish community in Mitau for 1854-1855, 1857-1858, 1862, 1864-1883,1886-1889, 1892, 1895, 1900, 1902-1904, the marriage records of the same community for 1854, 1856-1868, 1872-1873, 1875, 1884, 1886-1887, 1889-1891, 1893, 1895-1897, as available at our archives (the birth marriage and death records for other years have not survived), the birth marriage and death records of the Jewish communities in Riga for 1854-1905, the revision lists of the Jewish families belonging to Mitau for 1834, 1858, 1887, the recruits' enlistment register of the Jewish families belonging to Mitau for 1845, 1875, for Pilten for 1848 contain the following information:
      "..We suppose that Klara's father was Robert (Ruben), son of Joseph (Jossel) Herzenberg a merchant from Pilten, born in ca 1826 (aged 22 in 1848, see Appendix No. 4) and mother Emilie (Amalie), daughter of David Kahn, born in ca 1830, died in 1903. Robert Herzenberg lived in Mitau and had his firm 'Robert Herzenberg,' he died before 1887 (the death records of the Jewish community in Mitau, as available at our archives do not contain information on his death).
      Ruben had at least two brothers Laser and Jacob (unfortunately, females (daughters) were not registered in the recruits's enlistment registers of Pilten). His parents: father Joseph (Jossel), son of Lemchen Herzenberg was born in ca 1809 (aged 39 in 1848), mother Zippe (the age is not stated). His grandparents: Lemchen, son of Joseph Herzenberg, born ca 1780, died in 1840. He belonged to the Jewish community in Pilten at least since 1834, his wife Schore (the age is not stated)...
      REFERENCE:
      fond 5024, inventory 2, files 331, 351, 375, inventory 1, file 88.
      fond 2942, inventory 1, files 4109, 2130.
      fond 630, inventory 2, files 220, 221.
      fond 4349, inventory 2, file 6.
      fond 445, inventory 1, files 2035, 2038.
      fond 2996, inventory 9, file 520, inventory 12, field 14498, inventory 7, files 25343, 25280, inventory 2, files 41162, 41163, 41164, 41171, 41175, 41185, 41186, inventory 15, file 4449, fond 472, inventory 5, files 628, 826, 1574.
      Enclosure: genealogical table - 1 table, copies of the documents - 26 sheets.
      Director: N. Rizovs, Head of Department: I. Veinberga., Researcher: J. Polovceva."

      8. As of 4 Dec 2011, the Latvian Archives maintains a digital database online of some of their documents, which they entitle "Raduraksti." One of these documents is the revision lists for Piltene of 175 images. It seems to be from about 1811 to 1817. Images 172 and 173 has a list of individuals from about 1816/17 on which I find the name "Lemchen Hertzenberg." No other Herzenbergs found on these two pages. I can't translate the page but there is a several columns with various numbers.

      MARRIAGE:
      1. Date and place are unsubstantiated guesses only by Kerry Petersen.

      SOURCES_MISC:
      1. Leonardo Herzenberg http://www.herzenberg.net/