| Notes |
- RESEARCH_NOTES:
1. Isaac Sr., who first appears in the tax records of 1754, would probably be about 21 before showing up in tax records. This would give a birth date of no later than 1733.
2. On 10 Sep 2011, I reviewed various history and genealogical books concerning Winners in pre-1800 Bucks County, Pennsylvania, at the Allen County Library in Fort Wayne, IN. Bucks county is sometimes credited as the source of early Winners who were in adjoining southern New Jersey. I have not found anything that specifically connects to our George King Winner. Possible variant spellings also checked: Weimer, Wenner, Winer, and Winne. My findings:
A. Deeds 1684-1763:
-John Winner, witness to a deed in 1731.
-Sarah Winner, widow of Jacob, deed 1753 to Mary Martin.
-Joseph Smith of Bristol Twp., 1753, to Mary Martin, widow, property sold in 1743 to William Hooper, who died intestate and sheriff sold land to Mary Martin and Sarah Winner, formerly Sarah Hooper.
B. Orphan's Court 1685-1800:
-John Subert/Subers, Middletown Twp. Mentions Sarah, eldest daughter, wife of David Winner, 1789.
-James Winner, son Joseph over age 14 petitons for guardian in 1795.
C. Tax Records 1693-1778 (year, township, name, ₤ value, tax s-d):
-1754, Middleton, Isaac Winner, 10, 1-8, married.
-1754, Middleton, Samuel Winner, 6, 1-0, single.
-1757, Middleton, Isaack Winner, 6, 1-0, married.
-1757, Middleton, John Winner, 6, 1-0, married.
-1760, Middleton, Isaac Winner, 4, 1-0. (Listed next to Joseph below.)
-1760, Middleton, Joseph Winner, 4, 1-0.
-1760, Middleton, Sam'l Winner at Joh. Winr., -, 9-0.
-1762, Middleton, Isaac Winner, 4, 1-0. (Listed next to Joseph below.)
-1762, Middleton, Joseph Winner, 4, 1-0.
-1762, Middleton, Samel Winner, 4, 1-0.
-1766, Bristol, John Winer, 18, 4-6.
-1775, Lower Makefield, John Winner.
-1775, Lower Makefield, James Winner.
-1778, Middleton, Isaac Winner Sr., 4, 2-0, married.
-1778, Middleton, Isaac Winner Jr., 4, 2-0, married.
-1778, Middleton, James Winner, 6, 3-0, single.
-1778, Middleton, Samuel Winner, 2, 2-0, married. (Listed next to John below.)
-1778, Middleton, John Winner, 3, 1-0, married.
-1778, Lower Makefield, Jacob Winner, 2, 1-0, married.
-1778, Lower Makefield, John Winner, 2, 1-0, married.
-1778, Lower Makefield, Samuel Winner, 3, 3-0, single.
-1778, Bristol, Jos. Winner, 1, 0-10, married.
D. Will abstracts 1685-1785:
-1753, Sarah Winner of Bristol Twp., son Anthony Hooper. Joseph Smith, executor.
-1754, Mentions land in Newtown on which "Joseph Winner lives after decease of wife." Principal of will, David Lavell, appears unrelated.
-1772, John Winner witness to will of Joseph Wilson of Lower Makefield.
-1777, Susan Winner witness to will of Jacob Shouch of Haycock.
E. Index of Wills and Administrations 1684-1850 (did not look up individual documents):
-1748, John Winner, Middletown(?), adm., #628.
-1753, Sarah Winner, Bristol, will, #833.
-1778, Jacob, Southhampton, adm., #1563.
-1791, John Winner, Lower Makefield, will, #2356.
-1796, James Winner, Warwick, adm., #2666.
-1805, Joseph Winner, Bristol, will and adm., #3313.
F. 1779 Tax List:
-Isaac Winner, Sen., Middleton.
-Isaac Winner, Jun., Middleton.
-James Winner's estate, Falls.
-John Winner, Lower Makefield.
-Jos. Winner, Bristol.
-Samuel Winner, Middleton.
G. Oaths of Allegiance:
-1772, James Winner, Lower Makefield.
-1772, Jacob Winner, Southampton.
-1785, Joshua Winner, Bensalem.
-1788, John Winner (weaver), Plumstead.
H. Pagenweb Bucks Co. accessed 21 Nov 2011 "Middletown Township Property and Tax Records 1779," transcribed by Patricia Woodruff January 2001 (Name -Acres-Horses-Cattle-Servants), married men:
-Isaac Winner, Jr.-0-0-1-0 -Isaac Winner, Sen.-0-0-1-0 -Samuel Winner-0-0-1-0
I. Pagenweb Bucks Co. accessed 21 Nov 2011 "Bristol Township Property and Tax Records," transcribed by Patricia Woodruff February 2002 (acres - horses - cattle - servants), married men:
a. 1779:
-Joseph Winner-1-1-1-0
b. 1781
-James Winner, weaver - 0-0-2-0 -Joseph Winner, taylor - 0-1-1-0
J. Pagenweb Bucks Co. accessed 21 Nov 2011:
a. "Falls Town Township Property and Tax Records 1779": "James Winner's est."
b. "Lower Makefield Township Property and Tax List 1779": "John Winner"
K. Pagenweb Bucks Co. accessed 21 Nov 2011Middletown Township Property and Tax Records," transcribed by Laura VanSant 2003 (Name-Acres-Horses-Cattle-Servants):
a. 1781:
-Isaac Winner, weaver, 0-1-1-0
b. 1782:
-Samuel Winner, 0 0 2 0
c. 1783:
-Sam'l Winner 2.10 [Not the assessment - probably the tax amount of 2 sh. 10 d.]
3. The case for a relationship of the early New Jersey residents Isaac Winner of Dover Township in Monmouth Co., Abraham Winner of Northampton Township in Burlington Co., and John Winner of Great Egg Harbor in Gloucester Co. to Isaac Winner Sr. of Bucks Co., Pennsylvania. Prepared 22 Nov 2011 by Kerry Petersen .
There are two basic groups of Winners circa the Revolutionary War and post era in New Jersey. The oldest are the Winnes of northern New Jersey who derive from the Dutch immigrant Pieter Winne of New Amsterdam and eventually Albany, New York. Their genealogical descendancy is conclusively presented in detail in "The Dutch Settlers Society of Albany Yearbook," v. 40 (1964-1966), pp. 6-28. A branch of this family ended up in upstate New Jersey and we easily follow them in New Jersey probate and other documents. They retained their Dutch roots even in the era of our discussion. They are all accounted for and they remain distinctly separate from our group of Winners. Unfortunately, some of the northern records indiscriminately interchange the surnames Winne and Winner for these families, which has led to confusion. An early Winner researcher from the 1950s, Enid Willardson, spent a lifetime trying to seek a connection from our Winners back through the Winnes, but failed in so doing even after amassing over 3000 Winne names. I have personally reviewed her workpapers after her decease and the tentative connection she contrived to make does not stand up to scrutiny and more modern research. Regrettably it was picked up by the old LDS Ancestral File based upon her submission and has since bled through to many unsuspecting user-submitted online databases. It is not my purpose to detail the Winnes; however, before linking our three early Winners under discussion, it was critical to eliminate the Winne family as a possible ancestry. Suffice it to say that this was done.
This then directs us to look to neighboring Bucks County for the source of our Winners. Any study of early New Jersey records in the three counties we are discussing quickly leads to the conclusion that there were no Winners reported there before our three Winner men. They came from elsewhere then New Jersey. Lets review first Isaac of Dover since his link to Bucks county is easiest to assemble. My descendancy comes from Isaac. We will then link Isaac to Abraham and then Abraham and John.
Isaac WINNER of DOVER:
The following is circumstantial, but very compelling nevertheless. First, I made comprehensive search of all early Winners in both New Jersey and Bucks co., Pennsylvania (abstracts available in the notes of the earliest Winner in my PAF files). With such a comprehensive overview of these early Winners and by process of elimination, I have found a pattern which I believe establishes and follows the ancestry of the earliest Isaac Winner of Dover Twp., Monmouth Co., NJ. - who is our first ancestor in that area. This is my thinking:
Isaac's son Jonathan (who married Sarah Predmore) in the 1850 census in Brown Co., OH, indicates he was born abt. 1778 in Pennsylvania - this is even though we know he was in Dover Twp. circa 1812. Jonathan's birth with him being the first born of Isaac would logically lead us to a marriage there for about 1776. (See separate research into the descendants of Isaac Winner, who also include: Ohio residents John Winner and Hester Ann Mason, Isaac Winner and Mary Catherine Powell, Samuel Winner; California resident George K. Winner; and Monmouth residents Rueben H. Winner and Amy Winner who m. 1. Charles Soper and 2. Jacob Creby/Creeley.)
Another link to Pennsylvania is found with Isaac's son, Isaac (bro. of Jonathan), who is reported to have married his wife Mary Catherine Powell in Philadelphia, PA, per the published biography of Isaac and Mary's son John Leopold Winner (see their notes for transcript).
We also have a personal family history memoir from Isabel (Lambert) Winner, wife of James4 Winner (Benjamin3, Jonathan2, Isaac1) who states that the Winners were from Pennsylvania, probably Bucks county. (Source: 20 Jun 2004 email from descendant Gary Coon who descends from Arnold Coon, Clara Wilding, Leoni Winner, then James.)
Interestingly, we find some records in Bucks county (and New Jersey) that fit the pattern.
A. "New Jersey Marriage Records, 1665-1800," by William Nelson, Marriage Licenses from New Jersey Colonial Documents: "Winner, Isaac, Bucks, PA, and Hannah Searl, Bucks, PA, 1776 Nov. 9." (Familysearch, source film 888709, vol. W, p. 474.) Note that this date fits perfectly with Jonathan's birth discussed above while establishing a link with Bucks County and NJ. In doing an Internet search for this couple on 20 Nov 2011, absolutely no hits were found - this means that this particular couple has never been linked into a family tree or written up on the web even though the marriage record clearly exists. Many with Quaker backgrounds would "marry out of meeting" which would explain a marriage license over the border for two Bucks Co. residents (i.e. a trip to Las Vegas for a no-question marriage).
B. We find only one Isaac Winner in Bucks Co., PA, in the early records. Note however that all of a sudden in 1778/1779 we see both an Isaac Sr. and Jr. together in Middletown. Isaac Jr. shows as married, which concurs with the 1776 marriage discussed above. It also shows Isaac Jr. being in Pennsylvania at the time of the birth of Jonathan in 1778. References to Isaacs in Middletown return to one after 1779 then disappear after 1781. Perhaps Isaac Sr. died thereafter, but more importantly we see our Isaac in the Dover Twp., NJ tax records beginning 1783.
a. "Tax Records 1693-1778" (year, township, name, ₤ value, tax s-d) for Bucks Co.:
-1754, Middleton, Isaac Winner, 10, 1-8, married.
-1757, Middleton, Isaack Winner, 6, 1-0, married.
-1760, Middleton, Isaac Winner, 4, 1-0.
-1762, Middleton, Isaac Winner, 4, 1-0.
-1778, Middleton, Isaac Winner Sr., 4, 2-0, married.
-1778, Middleton, Isaac Winner Jr., 4, 2-0, married.
b. 1779 Tax List: (Bucks co., PA)
-Isaac Winner, Sen., Middleton.
-Isaac Winner, Jun., Middleton.
c. Pagenweb Bucks Co. accessed 21 Nov 2011 "Middletown Township Property and Tax Records 1779," transcribed by Patricia Woodruff January 2001 (Name -Acres-Horses-Cattle-Servants), married men:
-Isaac Winner, Jr.-0-0-1-0 -Isaac Winner, Sen.-0-0-1-0 -Samuel Winner-0-0-1-0
d. Pagenweb Bucks Co. accessed 21 Nov 2011: "Middletown Township Property and Tax Records," transcribed by Laura VanSant 2003 (Name-Acres-Horses-Cattle-Servants) - all Isaacs disappear after 1781:
-1781: Isaac Winner, weaver, 0-1-1-0
-1782: Samuel Winner, 0 0 2 0
-1783: Sam'l Winner 2.10 [Not the assessment - probably the tax amount of 2 sh. 10 d.]
e. There is an early Isaac Winner in Dover Township; no other Winners are shown in Dover in the same time period. Ancestry.com shows:
-Oct. 1783 Tax List: Isaac Winnir
-June 1786 Tax List: Isaac Winner
-"Name on a petition, 4 Mar 1786, to the Legislature from freeholders and inhabitants of part of Dover Township in Monmouth County asking that a new county be formed because of the distance they have to..."
-June 1789 Tax List: Isaac Winner
-June 1793 Tax List: Isaac Winner
-June 1796 Tax List: Isaac Winner
-June 1797 Tax List: Isaac Winner
Summary: I believe that we are seeing our Isaac, his wife Hannah Searle, and Isaac's father, Isaac, in the above records. Until proven otherwise, I am considering this our ancestral line.
Abraham WINNER of NORTHAMPTON (aka Abraham of Mount Holly):
Abraham is not my direct line so I don't have as much research on his descendants; however, much has been published on Abraham himself. First let's establish what is more or less known from solid sources as well as the Internet about him and then I will introduce my own additional documentation that I believe links Isaac to Abraham.
A. First record of Abraham per FHL book 974.961 V2c "Burlington County Marriages," by H Stanley Craig (1932, rep. 2003), pp. 95, 233, 248: Abraham Winner - Mary Thatcher, 9-13-1769. Variant from FHL film 1320671, it. 5, the book "Historical and Genealogical Miscellany, Data Relating to the Settlement and Settlers of New York and New Jersey," by John E. Stillwell (Baltimore, 1970), p. 72, "Register of St. Mary's Church, Burlington, N.J.": "Married - Abraham Winner & Mary Hatcher, both of Burlington County, were lawfully married, Septem'r 3d 1769, at Mountholly." From the Internet it appears St. Mary's was an Episcopal Church. It is probable that this was an intentional marriage outside of Quaker meeting similar to Isaac's.
B. "Revolutionary Census of NJ," by Kenn Stryker-Rodda; List I (1773 & 1774): Abraham Winnor - Northhampton, Burlington Co.
C. Abraham (Winnor and Winner): Northampton, Burlington Co. Various Lists: 1774, 1787.
D. From "Old Inns and Taverns," by Charles Boyer, p. 49: "Another early tavern keeper was Abraham Winner, whose house was located on the north side of Gaskill's Lane, now Woodlane, near the old Quaker Meeting House. On April 22, 1776, he gave a mortgage to Joseph Butterworth on this property,vwhich had probably then been discontinued as a tavern."
E. Rootsweb accessed 21 Nov 2011: "Burlington County NJ - NJGenWeb; Early Tax List - Northampton Township, 1779. Only Winner shown is Abraham Winner (no Isaac or John): 90 acres of land valued at 25, 2 horses, 2 cattle, 1 hog, total whereon to levy 27/5/0, amount of certainty 0.66, tax carried out 1.22. (Note that there is also a Caleb Carr on the same tax list with 250 acres; I believe that the father of Hannah Carr who married John Winner in 1776 was Caleb Carr.)
F. Undocumented from Internet accessed 21 Nov 2011: "By Jan 1780 he was purchasing foragemaster."
G. Internet accessed 21 Nov 2011: New Jersey Historical Society, "Calendar of New Jersey wills, administrations, etc.," Vol. 5, p. 314: "1780, Oct. 27 - Adm'r - William Cramer, of Little Egg Harbor. Fellowbondsmen - Joseph Biddle, of Springfield, and Abraham Winner, of Northampton; all of Burlington Co. The said William Cramer is appointed Adm'r of the estate of John Little, left unadministered by Sarah Little, during the minority of James, the son of said John Little."
H. Internet Usgenweb by Patricia M. Bergener (fmlyhstry@verizon.net) 1999 accessed 21 Nov 2011: "Early New Jersey Marriages - Extracts": #557; Cornelius McAnley of Springfield in the County of Burlington, and Abraham Winner... [bound to]... William Livingston, Governor... 500 pounds... 1 Feb 1784. ... Contract of Marriage between Cornelius McAnley... and Mary Johnson... [w] Jos: Read.
I. From the Internet: The following list for Winner Surnames in NJ -Colonial Records, CD 136 Dec 94 ver. GRS v 3:03: Abraham Winner, Burlington Co., NJ voters 1787, pg. 80.
J. Online Archive.org "Documents Relating to the Colonial, Revolutionary and Post-Revolutionary History of the State of New Jersey," accessed 21 Nov 2011: "1788, Nov. 15. Borden, Joseph, Jr., of Burlington Co. Int. Adm'r - Robert Dougherty. Fellowbondsman - Abraham Winner; both said Co."
K. FHL book 974.961 R28h "Burlington County, New Jersey, Deed Abstracts - Books A, B and C," by Richard S. Hutchinson: "Book D, p. 1, 4 Mar 1794, concerns Commissioners making a division of "property late of William Smith, deceased ... of the City of Burlington [who] died intestate. The division takes over 33 pages and names several dozen adjoining property owners including "Winner's Ferry, land of Abraham Winner and wife on 28 February 1788."
L. Undocumented from Internet accessed 21 Nov 2011: "He died in what is to be believed to be the Alms House in Philidelphia and is buried in the same graveyard as Joseph and Elizabeth Winner."
M. I include the following just so I can refute it. From the Internet accessed 21 Nov 2011: "Gloucester County Historical Society - Oct, 9, 1969 from Ernistene Siegel, 1906 Watrous Ave, Tampa, FL 33606: "...there was an Abraham Winner of Mt. Holly, who was a tavern keeper there before the out break of the Rev War, and who is still there in 1787. This Abraham Winner was a descendant of Capt. James Winner, who was in Colonel McCrea's Regiment in the Revolutionary War. As a note, Captain James Winner was in Col. McCrea's regiment when they returned Levies, Fort Edward July 21, 1780. A return of Levies raised from Saraghtoga Regiment. And Now in actual service at Fort Ann under the command of Capt. Sherman, John McCrea, Colo. August 11th, 1780. No. 3092 Return of Levies from Colonel McCrea's Regiment. Fort Edward July 21 the 1780. <http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ny/albany/military/revwar/service/mccrea.txt>" My comments: there is no document saying our Abraham is the son of Capt. Winner. Basic research shows that Col. James McCrea's local militia group was of Albany, New York and did not involve men from so far away as New Jersey since Col. McCrea's battles were in upstate New York. The Levies only mention a Capt. Winner, not James Winner. Albany was the seat of the Dutch Winnes, which is not our group. Changing the subject, the author Ernestine Siegel has published work on her ancestor James Winner who served in the Rev. War as part of the Bucks County Regulators. She has determined that he was a son of the same Isaac Winner Sr. to whom we linked Isaac Winner Jr. James is also father of the Lycoming Co., PA, Winners. Miss Siegel has published a pamphlet and a book on the subject which I am still reviewing. She does name the wife of Isaac Sr. as Rebecca ___.
Now to discuss ties of Abraham and Isaac - I found the following:
A. In the New Jersey State Archives in Supreme Court cases, I found the following which I believe is significant. We have already surmised above that Dover Isaac was almost certainly the son of Isaac Sr. of Middletown, Bucks Co., and that he married in 1776, left there shortly after 1779, and then shows up in 1783 in Dover. All of a sudden for just a very short time an Isaac shows up in Burlington as plaintiff with Abraham in a court case that begins in 1783. There is no Isaac before nor after in the area and the timeframe dovetails right into the sweet spot of 1779 to 1883 when Isaac is between Bucks Co. and Dover Township. The court cases:
-39304: Isaac and Abraham Winner vs. Jacob Shinn 1783-85 held at Burlington, Burlington Co.
-44555: Isaac Winner. Poor copy and I can't read any of the details. It is dated 1783 and is probably the same Isaac as above.
B. This statement is found on the Internet but without any source. We can't use it for documentation, but it is prescient: "Abraham had relatives in Bucks Co. who were Quakers - Isaac Sr and Jacob Winner."
Summary: We know Abraham did not have a son named Isaac at that time and it would be unusual to be partners with a cousin, so a conclusion of a brotherly connection is not out-of line. We could always argue it wasn't Isaac Jr., but Isaac Sr. who disappears from the scene in Bucks Co. in 1781 - but either way it ties Abraham to Isaac Sr.
John WINNER of GREAT EGG HARBOR:
There is much good documentation on this John and not necessary to repeat everything here. He apparently had two marriages.
The first marriage is per "New Jersey Marriage Records, 1665-1800," by William Nelson: "Winner, John, Northampton, and Hannah Carr, Northampton, 1776 April 1." According to "The Carr Book," by Arthur R. Carr, 1947, Hannah was b. 10 Sep 1759 to Caleb Carr and she died 9 Aug 1778 in Mt. Holly (Northampton) in childbirth when their son Samuel was born 9 Aug 1778. The Carr book says he died three days later. The marriage was apparently out of Quaker meeting because we find in FHL book 974.961 K2m v.1 "Early Church Records of Burlington County, New Jersey," by Charlotte D. Meldrum, a reference to only one Winner in the entire book, which is in the Minutes of Mount Holly Monthly Meeting. "5th da, 4th mo, 1777... Hannah Winner, produced a paper acknowledging trouble of mind, for going out in marriage." We also find Hannah's father Caleb with 250 acres in the same area in which Abraham (but no other Winners) live (per Rootsweb accessed 21 Nov 2011: "Burlington County NJ - NJGenWeb; Early Tax List - Northampton Township, 1779"). The Carr book reports indicates he died 11 Sep 1783 and his buried next to his daughter. In any case this all places John Winner in Northampton just prior to his being in Great Egg Harbor.
John's second marriage is to Millicent Mapes for whom we have on record a will (and codicil) naming her three sons. We also have on record a will for her father Joseph Mapes in which he names his dau. Millicent Winner, his son-in-law John Winner, and his grandson Joseph Winner. Joseph Mapes was prominent in the Quaker community of Great Egg Harbor. John and Millicent has three sons: John, Joseph, and Amos - for whom we have marriage information. FHL film 1425085, it. 6, "Gloucester County, New Jersey, Marriage Records," by H. Stanley Craig, 1930:
-Joseph Winner and Millicent Caveller, 2-2-1803.
-John Winner and Abigail Doughty, 5-9-1812.
-Not reported for Amos. [Per Internet: He married Mary Brackney (from Burlington) September 5, 1805. There are also military records for him which says he was in the War of 1812 and in the War with Algiers in 1815. He was discharged July 10, 1817 with a "surgeons certificate of disability."]
-(As a side note, the same marriage records also has "Samuel Winner and Mary Thorn, 3-30-1813." Could it be John's son Samuel from his marriage to Hannah Carr who did not perhaps die three days after his mother as "The Carr Book" would have us believe?)
We also have a couple more records that place John Winner in Northampton with Abraham:
A. "The Genealogical Magazine of New Jersey," v. 37, p. 75, "New Jersey Rateables 1773-1774, Northampton Twp. of Burlington Co.":
-"John Winner sm"
-"Abraham Winner 315; 6c"
B. "Revolutionary Census of NJ," by Kenn Stryker-Rodda; List I (1773 & 1774):
-Abraham Winnor - Northhampton, Burlington Co.
-John Winnor - - Northhampton, Burlington Co.
Most significantly the following record was found a very specific record that ties Northampton Abraham and Great Egg John. Note that we also gain a name of Mary for Abraham's wife. FHL book 974.961 R28h "Burlington County, New Jersey, Deed Abstracts - Books A, B and C," by Richard S. Hutchinson, p. 41: "Book B, p. 35 - Abraham Winner to John Winner." "28 May 1787 - Abraham Winner … Township of Burlington … New Jersey and Mary his Wife ... [sold to] … John Winner of Great Egg Harbour … Gloucester … Whereas the Said Abraham Winner … [by deed from Joseph Butterworth and Sarah his Wife dated 29 May 1780 and from Samuel Shinn dated 1 February 1776 became seized of two certain parcels of land in the Township of Northampton … (for 260 pounds) … All these his two … Parcels ... of Land …. (adjacent land owners or names - Jacob Hilliard, Edward Hilliard, Edward Andrew, Nathan Gaskill, Cripps Estate) … (3 acres, 2 rods, 23 perches) … The other Piece … [adjacent land owners or names - Side of the Great Road called Gaskill's Lane, Hannah Belcher, Johanna Brow)] … (7 acres, 7 perches). Memorandum - (Before the execution of the above deed, Abraham Winner excepts two Small Pieces, the one sold by him to Abel Harker and the other to Isaiah Bishop Which is Within the above bounds.); (Signed - Abraham Winner, Mary Winner; witnesses - Charles Ellis, Daniel Ellis.)"
Summary: It is apparent that John shows up in the records at Northampton in conjunction with Abraham from 1773/4 to 1778. He then disappears by 1779 from the area because only Abraham shows up as the only Winner in the 1779 tax schedules (this evidently is just before Isaac shows up). We then find our John in Great Harbor per Great Egg Harbor, Gloucester Co., various lists for 1774, 1780, 1781 (Winer), 1782, 1783, 1785 (Winners), 1785, 1786, 1790, 1791, 1792, 1793, 1794, 1795, 1796, 1797, 1802. It appears that he had a short presence in Great Egg Harbor shortly in 1774 and then continuously from 1780 on. The 1787 deed between Abraham and John with their residences certainly confirms a family relationship.
Summary:
The marriages of Abraham in 1769, John in 1776, and Isaac in 1776 would indicate they were of the same generation and probably in that order of age. Interestingly all three appear to have married "out of meeting" from the Quakers. The connections and timelines seem to be more than coincidence. Isaac's apparent connection with Isaac Sr. in Middletown township, Bucks County, PA, would then argue all three must be tied together as probable brothers to most likely Isaac Winner Sr. Of course we cannot rule the taxman may have just called both Isaacs Sr. and Jr. to differentiate them in the locality and one of the other Middletown men could be their father. We see these potential Middletown individuals from tax lists to whom I add my comments:
-Isaac Winner, married, 1754, 1757, 1760 & 1762 listed next to Joseph, 1778 and 1779 as Sr. [By process of elimination, Isaac is the only one seemingly left standing for a potential father.]
-Samuel Winner, single, 1757, 1760 "Sam'l Winner at Joh. Winr.," 1762, 1778 married and next to John, 1779. [Samuel marries too late to be the father of our three Winners. Probably son of John Winner since they both disappear after 1778. A Samuel shows up as a son in John Winner's 1791 will who is probably this Samuel.]
-John Winner, married, 1757, (not listed in 1762), 1778 listed next to Samuel. [This is most likely the John who died and left a will in 1791. (1791, John Winner, Lower Makefield, will, #2356. John Winner of Lower Makefield Twp., Bucks, weaver. January 3, 1791. Proved January 23, 1791. Sons Samuel and John exrs. Ch. Rachel wife of Jacob Watson, Didwell wife of John Smith, Samuel, John, David, Joshua, and David [Moses?] Winner. Gdsns. Levi and John Terry sons of Joshua Terry. Wits: James Moon, Richard Neeld, Peter Vanhorn. Witnesses Amos Gregg and Amos Gregg, Jr.)]
-Joseph Winner, 1760 and 1762 listed next to Isaac. [Could this be Isaac Sr.'s father since he drops out of the record ca. 1762 and is close to him in the tax schedules? We also find the name Joseph used among Abraham's and John's sons.]
-Isaac Jr, married, 1778. [This is our Isaac that goes to Dover, NJ. and who married 1776.]
-James Winner, single, 1778. [Ernestine Siegel identifies James as a son of Isaac Sr.]
So from process of elimination, Isaac Winner Sr. appears to be the probable father. Subject to more research, Joseph Winner could perhaps be Isaac Sr.'s father or perhaps a brother.
There are two other interesting marriages reported in the 1770s for perhaps other close relations or even brothers to Abraham, John, and Isaac that will need closer scrutiny with further research:
A. FHL film 1320671, it. 5, the book "Historical and Genealogical Miscellany, Data Relating to the Settlement and Settlers of New York and New Jersey," by John E. Stillwell (Baltimore, 1970), p. 72, "Register of St. Mary's Church, Burlington, N.J.," p. 88: "Married - Sept. 29, 1774, Jacob Winner & Elizabeth Hellings." Note this is the same church in which Abraham was also married in 1769. The book "New Jersey Marriage Records, 1665-1800," by William Nelson, "Marriage Licenses from New Jersey Colonial Documents" adds a residence: "Winner, Jacob, Bucks, PA, and Elizabeth Helling, Bucks, PA, 1774 Sep 29." I have not seen ongoing records thereafter for Jacob in New Jersey, so I suspect he married "out of meeting" and returned to Pennsylvania. We do find a Bucks Co. tax record in 1778, "Lower Makefield, for Jacob Winner, married." There was another Jacob in Southampton Twp., Burks Co. who appears on a 1772 tax list then in probate: "1778, Jacob, weaver, Southhampton, adm., #1563"; couldn't find actual probate, but was administration only. A couple of loose unsubstantiated Worldconnect entries show that Jacob who married Elizabeth Helling was son of a Jacob in Bucks co. - probably should consider the possibility that Southampton Jacob could be father of Lower Makefield Jacob. No other entries in Bucks Co. for a Jacob after 1778. A more likely explanation and one that Ernestine Siegel mentions in her book is that these two Jacobs were in fact the one and the same with Jacob then dying relatively young. His age would be surmised from the earliest entry with him being at least 21.
B. "New Jersey Marriage Records, 1665-1800," by William Nelson, "Marriage Licenses from New Jersey Colonial Documents": "Winner, Amos, and Rebeca Cooper, 1779 May 1." We see the name Amos later used for a son of John Winner of Great Egg Harbor; this would point to perhaps some kinship. I have found no other pre-1800 entries for Amos in either New Jersey or Bucks Co., PA.
I don't pretend yet to have sorted out all the very early pre-1800 Winners in Bucks County, but we should look a little further into the very earliest ones to see if we can someday connect things in the middle to Isaac Sr. These are all the entries I can find so far that are pre-1760. There is probably some relationship but I can't yet tell if they were early brothers or fathers/sons.
A. We know from probate records that the earliest Winner we have knowledge of in Bucks County (and specifically Middletown Twp.) is John Winner, weaver, Middletown, 1748 probate adm., #628 (administration only with no will). He is probably also be the same John who was a witness to a deed in 1731. Some Internet chat reports John's wife was Didwell, but I have not yet searched for substantiation for this. We do see the John who was a weaver (just like 1748 John) and died in Lower Makefield Twp. in 1791 having a daughter who he named Didwell. (See note above.)
B. We know from the following that there was a Jacob Winner that died before 1753, married as a second husband to Sarah ___ (first husband William Hooper. Jacob could very well be a brother to 1748 John.
a "Deeds 1684-1763":
-Joseph Smith of Bristol Twp., 1753, to Mary Martin, widow, property sold in 1743 to William Hooper, who died intestate and sheriff sold land to Mary Martin and Sarah Winner, formerly Sarah Hooper.
-Sarah Winner, widow of Jacob, deed 1753 to Mary Martin.
b. "Will abstracts 1685-1785": 1753, Sarah Winner of Bristol Twp., son Anthony Hooper. Joseph Smith, executor.
C. "Will abstracts 1685-1785": 1754, Mentions land in Newtown on which "Joseph Winner lives after decease of wife." Principal of will, David Lavell, document does not say relationship but doesn't appear related.
As for the other pre-1800 Bucks Co. Winners, I have an abstract of all the entries I have been able to find to date for any researcher that would like to analyze, find patterns, or sort it out.
4. See notes of the earliest "generic" Winner for a transcript of the "The Ancestry & Descendants of James Winner of Sussex Co., N.J. & Lycoming Co., Pa.," first edition; Editor: Ernestine Siegel, 1906 Watrous Avenue, Tampa, Florida, 33606; 1969; revised 1970; privately printed with copy in my possession, Preface, pp. 1-15, and Bibliography. She has collected a tremendous amount of information and identified the early Winners centered around Bucks County in Southeast Pennsylvania near Philadelphia and in the adjoining western counties of New Jersey just across the the state line formed by the Delaware River. She gives some generic information on the antiquity of the Winner name before providing a comprehensive listing of what is known to date on all early Winners in our targeted geographic area. I believe she has probably found all of them; however, the connections between each of them is obscure and subject to speculation. Like myself, she has concluded that there is no connection to the Dutch New York Peter Winne family. Even though there is no proof, she has taken the premise that the family legend of an original Capt. James Winner (of the "Wasp") has merit and that he had at least four sons/branches (John, James, Joseph, and Thomas) and potentially a fifth son/branch (Samuel). From there she develops some of these branches while just placing some "strays" where perhaps they may eventually fit subject to additional research. Some of the Winners are too late to be of interest to us except as perhaps a DNA pathway back when more DNA-tested Winners are available. As for our earliest ancestor, Isaac Winner who married Rebecca, Ms. Siegel cannot identify his precise parents, but she places him as a "stray" on the John Branch with the caveat that he seems associated with the Samuel who may be a separate fifth branch (perhaps as a brother or son?). Even though speculative, she has generally done a better job than anything else in print at providing some potential order to the early Winners. She acknowledges that many vital NJ records were destroyed in the Revolutionary War. She also recommends that: "Straightening out the Winner family tree will be a long tedious job for someone, for only by extensive search of colonial church records in both Pa. and N.J. can the various relationships be settled." Even though the entire transcript should be read for context, I include some specific quotes pertaining to Isaac as follows:
"PART I. The WINNERS of BUCKS CO., PA and NEW JERSEY...
OTHERS WINNERS IN The MIDDLETOWN-MAKEFIELD AREA...
SAMUEL WINNER of MIDDLETOWN - A SEPARATE BRANCH?
The elder Samuel Winner of Middletown Twp., Bucks Co., Pa. seems more closely associated in records with the Abraham, Isaac and Jacob branch of the family than with the branch of John of Middletown. Since the Abraham, Isaac, Jacob branch seems to originate in New Jersey, there is a good possibility that Samuel also came from New Jersey to Middletown. In 1775 Samuel, Isaac; and Jacob are listed as non-associators at Middletown. Abraham is known to have remained in New Jersey and served as a soldier there. The younger brother James served as an associator at Middletown, Pa. in 1775. Thus this family was divided in its beliefs concerning service in the Revolutionary War. It is believed that the Quakers Isaac and Jacob had moved from New Jersey to Pa. at the outset of the war, as the Pa. government was more lenient in its attitude toward the sect than was the New Jersey government, and of course, Pa. did not suffer as much destruction during the war as did New Jersey. Isaac and Jacob's marriages are recorded in the New Jersey Archives, and Stryker lists Jacob as a New Jersey Revolutionary soldier, although the Archives cannot furnish a service record for him,
In 1779 Samuel Winner of Middletown is taxed along with Isaac Sr, and Isaac Jr. In 1783 he is taxed there with William Winner, singleman, possibly a son. Both Samuel and William disappear from the tax lists after 1784. In 1781, William Winner had served as a private in Capt. Robert Patterson's Co., 2nd Regt. of Foot, Bucks Co. Militia.
Isaac WINNER of MIDDLETOWN and NEW JERSEY.
In 1775 Isaac Winner was recorded as a non-associator of Middletown Twp., Bucks Co., Pa. In 1776 a marriage is recorded in New Jersey on November 9th of Isaac Winner of Bucks Co. to Hannah Searl of Bucks". In 1779 both Isaac Sr. and Isaac Jr. are taxed at Middletown. In 1781, Isaac Winner, weaver, is taxed there and this is the last of the Isaacs on the tax lists..."
[Author continues with a part II, pp. 15-58, which is specifically on her ancestor James Winner (who married Mary Parker and Mary Kester) and his descendants. James was the son of Isaac and Rebecca Winner. This portion of the overall transcript is contained in the notes of James Winner. There are two excerpts, however, that I include as follows in which the author seems to identify (or assume) some relationships with James which if correctly surmised may impact James' father Isaac, who is our earliest documented ancestor, i.e. that Jacob was a brother of James and also that he was cousins or a nephew with the individuals in the John Winner and Joseph Winner branches of the supposed original Capt. James Winner:]
"Coming from a family that was only half Quaker, James Winner in his earlier years had several times found his beliefs running contrary to those of the Quaker church. Consequently, while serving apprenticeship as a teenage boy in Middletown Township, Bucks Co., Pa. in 1775 - learning to become a weaver - James had served a term as soldier in the Bucks County Associators, although his brothers Isaac and Jacob, as Quakers, did not. (James' elder cousin, James, son of John of Lower Makefield, had already moved to Lower Makefield Township with his brother John Jr. and served as an associator there in the same year.) Again, during later years in New Jersey, James Winner married his first wife out of meeting, as well as his second wife. However, he always returned to the church and brought up his children to be Quakers.
"...By legend, at the time [1801] James Winner migrated to Lycoming County, he had only two brothers still living, one in New Jersey, and one in Bucks County. Also by legend, he is said to have named his three sons for his three brothers. His elder brother was Abraham Winner of Mt. Holly, Burlington Co., New Jersey, an innkeeper and a New Jersey Revolutionary Soldier. The second brother Isaac was taxed at Middletown Township, Bucks Co., Pa. as early as 1779, although it is believed he was born in Burlington Co., N.J. The third brother, Jacob Winner, died in Southhampton Township, Bucks Co., Pa. in 1778. (Both Isaac and Jacob were weavers.) Dirck Hogeland signed bond for the estate. The father of James is considered to be Isaac Sr. who was also taxed in Middletown Twp., Bucks Co., Pa. In 1779 but then disappears from the tax lists. The mother of James is said to be Rebecca. His birth record eludes us as it is not known which side of the Delaware River he was born on. (His cousin James mentioned before, died in Warwick Township, Bucks Co, Pa. In 1796.) The marriage records of Isaac Jr. and Jacob Winner are found in the New Jersey Archives.
The Winner family in Lycoming Co., Pa. has always been tied to the Winner family of Philadelphia, which included William Winner, the artist, and Septimus Winner, the composer. After James served his apprenticeship in Middletown Twp., he moved to Bristol Township where his uncle Joseph Winner lived. James was taxed there as a weaver in 1781, probably living in the home of Joseph.
By tradition, this Joseph Winner of Bristol was third generation in America, born 1735 in New Jersey, son of Joseph, grandson of Capt. James. Joseph of Bristol was taylor, and had served in the Indian Wars in the 1750s. While James was in Bristol, one of Joseph's younger sons, Joseph born 1776 was only a small child. This 4th generation Joseph moved to Philadelphia and married Elizabeth Evans. His son Joseph, 5th generation, moved to Lycoming County in the 1840s, but had moved back to Philadelphia by 1850. However, on the 1850 census in Lycoming County is one Seth Winner, age 64 (born 1786) living in Porter Township with his wife Rebecca and son Robert. This family probably belongs to the Philadelphia branch also.
After spending a year at Bristol, James Winner, the weaver, moved to Falls, Pa. and was taxed there in 1782 on two cows and a horse. Previously, in 1779 his uncle James' Estate was taxed at Falls. This elder James Winner served as a soldier in 1745, and again is listed as a soldier at Newton in 1756.
From Falls, James Winner moved across the river to Oxford Furnace in Sussex County and married Widow Mary Collins, probably in 1785. She was born Mary Parker, Jr., daughter of Humphrey Parker, Jr., a Welsh Quaker from Gwynned, Pa., and his wife, Tamar Scott, whom he had married at the First Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia in 1744..."
5. Email received 23 Feb 2015 from (Dr.) Daniel F. Stramara, Jr., Rockhurst University, 1100 Rockhurst Rd., Kansas City, MO 64110, concerning his speculation of a possible son named Septimus as an additional son to Isaac and Rebecca Winner:
"Kerry Petersen,
Thank you for your reply. I will let you know what I track down regarding the 1830 Samuel Winner of Evesham Twp., Burlington Co., NJ and forward you the documentation.
At least I know that I am not descended from the Winner Family of Butler Co., PA. I am almost certain that I am directly related to the Samuel Winner of Evesham, Burlington County, NJ. In 1830 he was age 40-49 (b. bet 1780-90) and he lived next door to Joseph and Abigail (Winner) Venable (see M19 Roll 80 p. 84). I am presuming that Abigail Winner was this Samuel Winner's sister. Samuel Winner married Mary Thorn 30 Mar 1813 Gloucester Co., by Methodist Minister. (His marriage date suggests a birth year before 1793 thus within the above 1830 Census time frame.) Abigail Winner married Joseph Venable 23 Feb 1816 Gloucester Co. by Justice of the Peace.
In 1840 the same Samuel Winner, now age 50-59, lived in Waterford Twp., Gloucester Co., NJ (Roll 252 p. 23). Evesham Twp., Burlington Co and Waterford Twp., Gloucester Co. are adjoining townships and counties. My ancestor Joseph Venable was now also listed in Waterford Twp. in 1840.
Significantly, in 1840 there was also a Samuel Winner living in Slippery Rock, Butler Co., PA age 40-49 (Roll 448 p. 8). This Samuel is the son of Septimus Winner of Donegal Twp., Butler Co., who devised a will 14 April 1841 (proved 14 Aug 1844), accessible at <https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-28789-2305-85?cc=1999196&wc=9PMJ-L2Z:268497001,283998301>
The 1830 Samuel Winner of Burlington Co., NJ in 1850 is now living in Delaware Twp., Camden County, NJ (Roll M432_445, p 138A). Part of Waterford Twp., Gloucester County became Delaware Twp., Camden County on 28 Feb 1844. In short, this Samuel Winner didn't move; rather, a new county was created and a new township accordingly named. Said Samuel Winner died 20 Dec 1861 in Camden County, NJ, aged 76 thus born 1785 matching the above mentioned time span. Allegedly his death certificate lists a Septimus Winner as his father and a Mary unknown as his mother. I will try to secure a copy of this record when I am in Trenton, NJ.
Because there are in fact two Samuel Winners of different ages (each having children with different names), and each the son of a Septimus Winner (it seems highly unlikely one father named two sons differing by a few years, the same name unless Samuel was the middle name of one of them that then became the given name after the brother left), this suggests to me that there was an even earlier Septimus Winner after whom the Septimus Winner of Butler Co., PA (b. 1766 - d. 1844) and the Septimus Winner of Burlington Co., NJ (living 1795-1829 --?), were named. (For the property holdings of Septimus Winner of Northampton Twp., Burlington Co., NJ see <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~genkim/Home.html> .) Said postulated earlier Septimus Winner generationally would have had to have been the grandfather of Septimus Winner of Burlington Co., NJ and of Septimus Winner of Butler Co., PA.
To further argue for the existence of two contemporary Winner men named Septimus, a review of census records is helpful. A Septimus Winner appears in the 1840 PA Census for Donegal Twp., Butler Co., age 70-80, thus born bet. 1760-70. The same individual appears in the 1830 PA Census for Donegal Twp., Butler Co., age 60-70, thus born bet. 1760-70. This is obviously the Septimus Winner who devised the will in 1841 in Donegal Twp. and who died there in 1844.
However, at the same time that a Septimus Winner is living in Donegal Twp., Butler Co., PA in 1830, it is highly probably that a Septimus Winner is living in Evesham Twp., Burlington Co., NJ. In the 1830 Census, living with Joseph and Abigail (Winner) Venable are an elderly couple: male age 70-80, thus born bet. 1750-60 and a female age 60-70, thus born bet. 1760-70. This elderly couple cannot be Joseph Venable's parents, for his father died in 1799 and his mother on 16 May 1826 (see Henrietta Brady Brown, "Some Venables of England and America" (Cincinnati, OH: Kinderton Press, 1961), 132; information which I have verified via primary documents). Because this elderly couple cannot be Joseph's parents (and no other Joseph Venable is living in Evesham at this time for this age bracket -- my Joseph fitting the male recorded as age 40-50, head of household), it goes to reason that this elderly couple are the parents of Abigail (Winner) Venable. Presuming that she is the sister of the next door neighbor Samuel Winner, whose death certificate lists his parents as Septimus Winner and Mary, I can only conclude that the elderly male living with Joseph and Abigail (Winner) Venable is none other than Septimus Winner, who last appeared by name in Burlington County records in 1829, just one year before the Census. N.B. I have not yet been able personally to secure a copy of Samuel Winner's death certificate so as to verify that it states Septimus Winner was his father, but I have no reason to doubt the e-mail stating such (29 May 2004), sent by his descendant, Mr. Dennis Boyles, who secured a copy. (I also have a copy of the typed letter Mr. Boyles sent to Kim Sechrist on 3 June 2004, stating the same.) In short, in 1830 there is a Septimus Winner living in Donegal Twp., Butler Co., PA born bet. 1760-70 as well as a Septimus Winner living in Evesham Twp., Burlington Co., NJ born bet. 1750-60, each having a son Samuel Winner who also accordingly fall within a ten year birth bracket difference.
Regarding the existence of two contemporary Septimus Winners, the following obtains. It has understandably been conjectured that the Septimus Winner of Northampton Twp., Burlington Co., NJ might be the son of Abraham Winner, the tavern owner of the same county. However, if Septimus were so named due to his being a "seventh child (or son)" of Abraham, this is impossible given that Abraham Winner married Mary Thatcher 3 Sept 1769, whether this be Abraham's first or second marriage, given that I have identified this Septimus Winner as having been born between 1750-60 (and thus able to have been enrolled in the NJ militia in 1793). It seems plausible to me that this Septimus was Abraham's younger brother and hence could have been a seventh child, so named. I am unaware of claims regarding who the father is of the Septimus Winner of Butler Co., PA, born 1766, but perhaps that Septimus is the son of one of the NJ Septimus Winner's older brothers. In short the PA Septimus Winner (b. 1766) could be a nephew of the NJ Septimus Winner (b. 1750-1760), named in his honour.
If the NJ Septimus Winner is Abraham's younger brother, this suggests Septimus is the seventh born child of Isaac of Bucks Co., PA, which is quite plausible. Oddly enough, it is plausible that the Septimus Winner of Butler Co., PA (b. 1766) is the son of Abraham Winner of Burlington Co., NJ. This Septimus Winner most probably is the one who married Mary Gaskill on 24 Mar 1808 in Burlington County, NJ (presumably as his second wife), he being 41 or 42 years old. Nevertheless, perhaps the elder Septimus married Mary Gaskill as a second (or even third) wife.
To summarize, at present I see two possibilities: 1) A hitherto unknown Septimus Winner who is grandfather to the NJ and PA Septimus Winners; and 2) the NJ Septimus Winner being uncle to the PA Septimus Winner. No matter what the case, there must have been some significant "elder" Septimus Winner, because the name keeps reappearing in subsequent generations, e.g. the famous composer (1827-1902, though he himself was the 7th born child, but still this might be an acknowledgement of an earlier Winner naming tradition).
Thanks for any feedback and further information. It really is quite a puzzle."
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