Edouard or Elias Ocipovitch Herzenberg

Edouard or Elias Ocipovitch Herzenberg[1]

Male Abt 1838 - 1910  (~ 72 years)

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  • Name Edouard or Elias Ocipovitch Herzenberg 
    Born Abt 1838  Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Died 1910  Moscow, Moskva, Russia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Person ID I1132  Petersen-de Lanskoy
    Last Modified 31 Mar 2015 

    Father Joseph or Yosef or Jossel Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1809, Ventspils (Windau), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1877, Kuldiga (Goldingen), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 69 years) 
    Mother Zippe,   b. Abt 1808, , Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1868, Kuldiga (Goldingen), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 61 years) 
    Married Bef 1825  of Pilten (Piltene), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID F1652  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family Renee or Rebecca Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1843, , Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 1899, Moscow, Moskva, Russia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 56 years) 
    Married 1865  , Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
    +1. Flora or Helene Herzenberg,   b. Moskva (Moscow), Russia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1941/1944
    +2. Stephan Ivan or John Herzenberg,   b. Moskva (Moscow), Russia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 1917
     3. Lilya Herzenberg,   b. Moskva (Moscow), Russia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Davos, Graubunden, Switzerland Find all individuals with events at this location
     4. Antonia or Tonja Herzenberg,   b. Moskva (Moscow), Russia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Moscow, Moskva, Russia Find all individuals with events at this location
    +5. Elisabeth Herzenberg,   b. 25 Dec 1866, Kuldiga (Goldingen), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 19 Jun 1942, Nice, Alpes Maritimes, France Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 75 years)
    +6. Sophie or Sonja or Sarah Herzenberg,   b. 1867, Kuldiga (Goldingen), Courland, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1924, Moscow, Moskva, Russia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 57 years)
     7. Eugenia or Genja Herzenberg,   b. 28 Apr 1878, Moscow, Moskva, Russia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 1943, Rīga, Rīga, Latvia Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 64 years)
    +8. Anna or Anjuta Herzenberg,   b. 16 Mar 1882, Moscow, Moskva, Russia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 5 Aug 1962, Monaco, Monaco Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 80 years)
    +9. Paul Herzenberg,   b. Abt Sep 1883, Moskva (Moscow), Russia Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 1938, Extermination Camps, Soviet Union Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 54 years)
     10. Milja Herzenberg,   b. Abt 1888, Moscow, Moskva, Russia Find all individuals with events at this location
    Last Modified 22 Oct 2015 
    Family ID F137  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Photos
    Edouard Herzenberg & Renee or Rebecca (his wife)
    Edouard Herzenberg & Renee or Rebecca (his wife)
    Edouard Ocipovitch Herzenberg photo taken in Paris
    Edouard Ocipovitch Herzenberg photo taken in Paris
    Edouard Ocipovitch Herzenberg
    Edouard Ocipovitch Herzenberg
    Backside of picture - Paris

  • Notes 
    • RESEARCH_NOTES:
      1. Partial excerpt per formal report of the Latvian Archives prepared 28 Feb 2011 for Kerry Petersen; report includes photo copy of the original of the attached with the following interpretation by the researcher:
      "The lists of merchant of Goldingen for 1868:
      2nd guild merchants.
      - Joseph, son of Lemchen Herzenberg, aged 59,
      - his wife Zippe, aged 60,
      - 1st son Laser, son of Joseph, aged 39, [KP. Lists wife and 9 children - see his notes.]
      - 2nd son Jacob, aged 37, [KP. Lists wife and 6 children - see his notes.]
      - 3rd son Elias Eduard, aged 30 (?),
      - his wife Rebecka, aged 25,
      - dau. Betty, aged 2,
      - dau. Sahra, aged 1,
      - daughter of Joseph - Hanna, aged 25, married to Abraham Herzenberg from Pilten. [KP. Summary report indicates the name Hanna is an obvious error for Theresa as shown on other documents.]"

      2. Data from a copy captured of Peter Bruce Herzenberg's website of London, England, since relocated to South Africa (website is no longer functioning as of 7 Aug 2007). See more on his research and data in the notes of the earliest Herzenberg in this database. Source for this individual is HL for Leonardo Herzenberg; I am unsure what LS stands for. In regards to this individual:
      Name variations: Edouard, Eduard.
      HL 103/010 shows b. 1856, d. in Moscow, md. Renee Herzenberg.
      HL 104
      LS 176.

      3. Courland (Kurzeme in Latvian, Kurland in German) is the historically distinct area of modern day Latvia bounded by the Baltic Sea to the west, Lithuania to the south, and the Dvina River (now Daugava) to the North. Its historic capital was Mitau (now Jelgava). It had ice-free Baltic ports with commercial and strategic importance. At its height Courland was a prosperous and cultured German-speaking Duchy. Courland was a separate Gubernia (Province) of the Russian Empire from 1797-1918. 50-60% of the Jews living in Riga just north of Courland had family roots in Courland. The names of the various towns have changed now that the area is part of Latvia (new-old as of early 1900s):
      Aizpute-Hasenpoth
      Jelgava-Mitau
      Kuldiga-Goldingen
      Liepaja-Libau
      Piltene-Pilten
      Talsi-Talsen
      Ventspils-Windau

      4. Archival Research Paper about Herzenberg Family prepared for Kerry Petersen 28 Feb 2011 and is report no. Nr. 3-P-272, 2816, 1927 N, by Latvijas Valsts Vestures Arhivs (Latvian National Archives), Slokas iela 16, Riga, LV-1007.
      "The recruits' enlistment registers of the Jewish families belonging to Pilten for 1842, 1848, 1854, 1871, the revision lists of the Jewish families belonging to Pilten, set up on August 15 of 1851, the merchant's lists of Goldingen for 1868, 1874, 1875 contain the following information about Herzenberg family (we would like to draw your attention to the fact that very often the age of person was determined by their outward appearance and was stated in some documents rather approximately):
      1. Joseph Herzenberg, his sons:
      1.1. Elias, son of Joseph Herzenberg, born in ca 1774 (aged 68 in 1842), died on May 22 of 1844. His wife Chiene, born in ca 1780 (aged 62 in 1842). They had children.
      1.2. Chone, son of Joseph Herzenberg, born in ca 1792 (aged 50 in 1842). His wife Schore, born in ca 1792 (aged 50 in 1842). They had children.
      1.3. Lemchen, son of Joseph Herzenberg, born in ca 1779/1780 (aged 54 in 1834), died 1840. His wife Schore (the age is not stated). Their sons:
      1.3.1. Levin, son of Lemchen Herzenberg, born in ca 1800 (aged 42 in 1842), died in 1867. His wife Dwaure, born in ca 1798 (aged 44 in 1842). They had children.
      1.3.2. Elias, son of Lemchen Herzenberg, born in ca 1804 (aged 38 in 1842). His wife Blume (the age is not stated). They had children.
      1.3.3. Laser (Leiser), son of Lemchen Herzenberg, born in ca 1821 (aged 21 in 1842, aged 27 in 1848, aged 33 in 1854). His wife Lippe, born in ca 1822 (aged 53 in 1875). They had children.
      1.3.4. Jossel (Joseph), son of Lemchen Herzenberg, born in ca 1809 (aged 33 in 1842, aged 59 in 1868). His wife Zippe was horn in ca 1808 (aged 60 in 1868). The family of Jossel Herzenberg was registered in the petty bourgeois oklad in Pilten till 1851. In 1851 he with his family was registered as a merchant of 3rd guild in Piltene. Since 1862 and at least till 1877 Joseph, son of Lemchen Herzenberg and his family was registered in the merchant oklad of Goldingen (see merchants list of Goldingen for 1868). His sons:
      1.3.4.1. son Ruben (Robert), born in ca 1826. His wife Emilie (Amalie), daughter of David Kahn, born in ca 1830. They had at least seven children, born in Mitau.
      1.3.4.2. son Laser, born in ca 1829. His wife Amalie, born in ca 1834. In 1875 he was registered as a merchant of Goldingen. They had at least ten children. According to the 1st All Russian census for 1897 the family of Laser Herzenberg lived in Goldingen at Mitauskaya Street 11.
      1.3.4.3. son Jacob, born in ca 1830. His 2nd wife Dorothea, born in ca 1845 (aged 23 in 1868), died in 1902. In 1899 he was transferred from the membership of merchant of Goldingen to the petty bourgeois oklad of Goldingen. In 1901-1906 he was registered as a 2nd guild merchant of Goldingen. Jacob had at least eleven children.
      1.3.4.4. son Elias Eduard, born in ca 1838 (aged 30 in 1868, the age is illegible in the merchant's list for 1868). His wife Rebecka, born in ca 1843 (aged 25 in 1868). The marriage records of the Jewish community in Mitau for 1854, 1856-1868 do not contain information on the marriage of Eduard (Elias) Herzenberg, son of Jossel (Joseph) and Rebecka Herzenberg. The marriage records of Goldingen and Pilten have not survived. Their children:
      1.3.4.4.1. daughter Betty, born in ca 1866 (aged 2 in 1868) (we suppose Elisabeth and Betty was one and the same person),
      1.3.4.4.2. daughter Sara, born in ca 1867 (aged 1 in 1868) (we suppose Sara and Sonia/Sophia was one and the same person).
      1.3.4.5. daughter Hanna (sic), born in ca 1843 (aged 25 in 1868). In the merchant's list there is a note that she married to Abraham Herzenberg from Pilten. [KP: This appears to be a recorder's error assigning the note about Abraham to Anna, b. ca. 1843, and not to the Anna's sister Therese, b. 1846.]
      The merchant's list of Pilten for 1892 contain information about the family of Gerson Gerson:
      -2nd guild merchant Gerson, son of Efroim (Froim) Gerson, born in ca 1832 (aged 22 in 1854), died in 1892,
      -his wife Jette (maiden name is not stated) (one can suppose that Jette was a daughter of Joseph Herzenberg).
      -son Robert Gerson, born on January 4 of 1859. His wife Libchen, née Koenigsfest, born in ca 1865,
      -son Samuel Gerson.
      In 1892 the family of Gerson Gerson was transferred from the merchant's oklad to petty bourgeois oklad of Pilten.
      The records of the archives fond "Latvian Interior Ministry, Administrative Department, i.e. - the file on the naturalization of Therese Herzenberg, set up in 1924-1925, as well as the records of the archival funds "Collection of Passport of Riga Prefecture" and "Riga City House Registers" contain the following information:
      Therese (Taube) Herzenberg, daughter of Joseph Herzenberg was born on November 10 of 1846 in Piltene (see her photos from the Latvian passports issued in 1925 and in 1928). According to the information in the file of naturalization Therese lived in Piltene till 1867, when she married to Abraham (Abram) Herzenberg, son of Elias, born in ca 1840 (the marriage records of the Jewish community in Mitau for 1865-1868 do not contain information on their marriage). (Obviously, Hana, daughter of Joseph Herzenberg, which was registered in the merchant's lists for 1868 and Therese is one and the same person). Since 1867 till 1902 the family of Therese Herzenberg lived in Jelgava at Katolu Street 18 in their own house. Abraham Herzenberg died on April 25 of 1900 in Jelgava. Since 1902 till 1905 she lived in Riga. Since 1905 till 1918 Therese Herzenberg lived in St. Petersburg with her children. During October revolution Therese with her son left for Finland and Berlin, and in 1924 she returned to Latvia. Therese had at least nine children, five of them lived in Latvia. Four children lived abroad. In 1924 Therese lived in Jelgava at Katolu Street 1, in 1925 she lived in Liepaja at Gimnazijas Street 4. Since April of 1926 Therese Herzenberg lived in Riga at Kr. Valdemara Street 33, apt. 38, since September 12 of 1927 in Riga at Kr. Valdemara Street 20, apt. 1. She died on April 4 of 1931 in Riga.
      The records of the archives fond "Latvian Interior Ministry, Administrative Department," i.e. - the file on the naturalization of Leonard Taube and his wife Eugenia, set up in 1924-1925, as well as the records of the archival funds "Collection of Passport of Riga Prefecture and Riga City House Registers" contain the following information:
      Eugenia Taube, daughter of Eduard, née Herzenberg, was born on April 28 (Julian calendar, Gregorian calendar - March 9) of 1878 in Moscow (her Soviet passport Nr. 29285/27283 was issued on July 22 of 1924 in Moscow, see her photo from the Latvian passport issued in 1925). She was a daughter of a Hereditary honorary citizen Eduard Herzenberg and his wife Rebecka, née Herzenberg. According to her Latvian passport Eugenia was a German, and her religion - Evangelical Reformed.
      Her husband Leonhard (Leonard) Taube was born on January 27 (Julian calendar) of 1869 in Mitau (now Jelgava) (date of circumcision - February 3) (see his photo from the Latvian foreign passport issued in 1930). He was a son of a Hereditary honorary citizen of Mitau, pharmacist, merchant Robert (Ruben, Rudolf) Taube and his wife Henrietta (Jetta), née Jacobsohn. Leonhard Taube was baptized in the Evangelical Reformed church in Vilno (now Vilnius) on February 8 of 1904. For a long time Robert Taube was a member of Mitau town Board. In 1903 Leonhard Taube left for Moscow. He knew German, Russian and Latvian languages. Leonhard Taube had at least five brothers.
      The marriage of Leonhard Taube and Eugenia Herzenberg was registered in Moscow and blessed by deputy superintendant, pastor of the Evangelical Reformed church Michail Yastrzhembsky on February 8 of 1904 in Vilna.
      In 1920 Leonard and Eugenia appealed to Latvian Optation commission in Moscow for Latvian citizenship, they became the Latvian citizens on May 19 of 1921. However due to changes of the law of optation they were not recognized as Latvian optants.
      On August 20 of 1924 Leonard and Eugenia Taube returned to Latvia. They had no children. They lived in Riga at Brivibas Street 2, apt. 13. In 1925 Leonhard and Eugenia Taube became Latvian citizens.
      Since July 14 of 1932 they lived in Riga at Stabu Street 45, apt. 26 (previous address - Brivibas Street 2, apt. 14).
      There is a note in the house register dated November 6 of 1941 that Leonard Taube died (date of death is not stated). There is no information that Eugenia moved to any other place, there is a note about reregistration at the same address dated November 8 of 1943.
      REFERENCE: fund [fond] 630, inventory 2, files 392, pages 37, 38, 110, file 393,
      fund 795, inventory 2, files 923, 897,
      fund 2942, inventory 1, file 12772, page 116,
      fund 2996, inventory 18, file 1788, inventory 7, file 13180,
      fund 3234, inventory 2, files 16247, 15246, inventory 33, file 30528,
      fund 5024, inventory 2, file 349,
      fund 472, inventory 5, file 421,
      fund 2706, inventory 1, file 244, page 669.
      Enclosure: copies of the documents -9 sheets, scanned photos -3 sheets.
      Poloveeva 76 61 40 08
      Jelena.Polovceva@arhivi.gov.lv [researcher]"
      KP Note: Attachments included per my description:
      1. Image of revision list of Jewish families belonging to Pilten as of Aug. 15, 1851, showing oklad (tax) numbers: #362 Jossel Lemchen Herzenberg, his sons: #363 Ruben, #364 Laser, #365 Jacob, #366 Levin, and #367 Elias. Researcher includes interpretation comment: "They were transferred from the membership of petty bourgeois oklad of Pilten to the 3rd guild merchant of Pilten in 1851."
      Note that incidentally on the same page separated by one large family grouping is another Herzenberg family who looks to be the original Joseph's son Chone/Elchanan with wife Schore and their sons and some grandsons. I am not sure of my deciphering the first two lines on the record, but the relationship that follows is clear:
      [No oklad #] [Willman? perhaps something like "Children of"?] Schore Chone Joseph Herzenberg
      [Their sons?]
      #213 Jossel Chone Herzenberg
      #214 Mendel Chone Herzenberg
      #215 Elias Chone Herzenberg
      #195 Gabriel Chone Herzenberg
      His sons, #196 Levin, #197 Salomon, #198 Hirsch, #199 Heyman Itzig
      2. Image and interpretation: "The lists of merchant of Goldingen for 1868:
      2nd guild merchants.
      - Joseph, son of Lemchen Herzenberg, aged 59,
      - his wife Zippe, aged 60,
      - 1st son Laser, son of Joseph, aged 39,
      - his wife Amalie, aged 34,
      - son Leonhard, aged 16,
      - son Isack, aged 12,
      - son Eduard, aged 9,
      - son Moritz, aged 6,
      - dau. Johanna, aged 14,
      - dau. Rebecka, aged 12,
      - dau. Rosa, aged 5,
      - dau. Sahra, aged 3,
      - dau. Dohra, aged 1-1/2
      - 2nd son Jacob, aged 37,
      - his wife Dorothea, aged 23, [KP: Report summary says she is second wife and marriage date is unknown. I estimate the two youngest children are hers and the older four are from the first marriage to an unknown wife.]
      - son Abraham, aged 9,
      - son Lemchen Leonhard, aged 4,
      - dau. Fanny, aged 8,
      - dau. Ida, aged 6,
      - dau. Charlotte, aged 2-3/4,
      - dau. Rebecka, aged 1,
      - 3rd son Elias Eduard, aged 30 (?),
      - his wife Rebecka, aged 25,
      - dau. Betty, aged 2,
      - dau. Sahra, aged 1,
      - daughter of Joseph - Hanna, aged 25, married to Abraham Herzenberg from Pilten. [KP. Summary report indicates the name Hanna is an obvious error for Theresa as shown on other documents.]"
      3. Image of "the Latvian passport of Eugenia Taube, daughter of Eduard Herzenberg, issued in 1925."
      4. Image and interpretation: "The house register of Stabu Street 45. Apartment 26. Since July 14 of 1932.
      - Leonard Taube, born on Feb. 8, 1869 in Jelgava, occupation - agent, previous address - Brivibas Street 2, apt 14, died, date of struck off the house register Oct. 6, 1841.
      - Eugenia Taube, née Herzenberg, born on March 9 of 1878 in Moscow, Russia, occupation - housewife, previous address - Brivibas Street 2, apt. 14."
      5. Image and interpretation: "The birth registration entry Nr. 13 in the birth records of the Jewish community of Mitau for 1869:
      Leonard Taube, born on Feb. 3 (Julian calendar, date of circumcision) of 1869 in Mitau.
      Father: (Rudolf) Robert Taube, a merchant.
      Mother: Jette, née Jacobsohn.
      The note: Leonhard Taube was baptized in the Evangelical Reformed church of Vilno on Feb. 8, 1904 with the name "Lenhard."
      6. Image of "The Latvian passport of Therese Herzenberg, née Herzenberg, issued in 1925." Includes a couple of long pages of Russian not specifically interpreted but probably summarized by the researcher above.
      7. Photos:
      - "Therese Herzenberg, dau. of Joseph Herzenberg, b. Nov. 10, 1846, Piltene (1925)."
      - "Leonhard Taube, b. Jan 27 of 1869 in Mitau (1930)."
      - "Eugenia Taube daughter of Eduard Herzenberg, b. March 9, 1878 in Moscow (1925)."

      BIOGRAPHY:
      1. 28 Jul 2007 Http://www.herzenberg.net/leo/htmlrh/Content.html copyrighted by Leo Herzenberg:
      "An meinen Sohn (To my son) Leonhard Herzenberg von (from) Robert Herzenberg. Memoirs written during the 1940's." Translated during the 1990's by Leonardo (Leonhard) Herzenberg. The entire memoir is quite lengthy and included in its entirety in my notes with Joseph Herzenberg, the original known ancestor, in this database. The following is only the portion dealing with this part of the family:
      "Great Uncles on Mother's Side...
      Great Uncles LEOPOLD and Edward I did not know. They lived in Moscow, were very wealthy businessmen, and did not come back to the old homeland any more. My father knew them very well, since once in a while he went to Moscow on business. Their family is shown on the bottom of (5). I never got to Moscow. First it was far, second such a trip was expensive, and third, as a Jew one could go to the main places of Czarist Russia only with great difficulty. More of that later. [66] "

      2. The following undated paper was written late 1969 in Nice, France by Catherine Werblovsky Olympieff (also known as Ekaterina Werblovskaya Olympieva) at the request of Patrick Landau through his aunt Alice Nikitina. Patrick's father, Vladimir Landau, even though he was Catherine's cousin, had less knowledge on the family than Catherine. Catherine was the granddaughter of Edouard and Rebecca Herzenberg. The letter was written a couple of years before Catherine's death after she entered into an assisted care facility in Nice. The paper was recently found among personal items previously gathered about 1969 by her daughter Irene Nadia de Lanskoy Petersen. Portions of the letter were written in three languages: English, French, and Russian. Irene, in transcribing the letter, notes that the letter was hard to follow and to make sense of. Irene's transcription dated 31 Jul 2007 with her notes added in [ ]:
      "What concerns the father and mother of our mother's: Mother's father: Edouard Ocipovitch Herzenberg [or Gerzenberg] Edward son of Joseph Herzenberg born: in Mitava [or Mittau] not far ___, Baltic Provinces - not far from Riga. He died at 76 years of age (had diabetes and malaria) from lung congestion after flu. His wife was his cousin.
      Rebecca Herzenberg also married a first cousin. I am not sure of the name of her father; she died in Moscow when I was 6 years old (70 years ago). [Death would be approximately 1899?]
      They were probably married in Mitawa and came to Moscow young, because all their children were born in Moscow. The eldest 1) Elizabeth 2) Sonja [or Sonia] (Sofia) mother of Manja or Mania who now lives in Moscow, who had a sister Nadja or Nadia who was born in Moscow. Sonia's husband was Adolf Schneider - son of Aaron Schneider - who had 3 more sons: Nicolas, Alexander, Serge and a daughter Elizabeth Schneider. She got married with Martin Behr (English nationality); they had two children and lived in Moscow. Mrs. Elizabeth Behr died in London (after the Russian Revolution she lived in France, later in England.) Her brother Adolf Schneider was a brother-in-law of our mother's of course.) [This is a repeat of the above.] The Behrs had 2 children. Elisabeth Behr died in London (probably her husband Martin Behr died before.) Mrs. Behr's daughter Olga died in London about a year ago [1968-69?], her brother George Behr still lives in London is married (has 1 daughter who is married too and has 2 boys, 8 and 7.
      So my mother Elisabeth was the eldest daughter of Edward and Rebecca Herzenberg born in Moscow like her sister Sonia, the next sister Flora born in Moscow. Flora, married Joseph Offenbacher, had one son Lotar (my first cousin as well as yours). She, her husband, and son died in Germany during the war of Hitler (son Lothar). [Irene notes that another family account says that Lothar committed suicide on account of the war.] [His father] Joseph Offenbacher had an older brother Vasily [William or Wilhelm] Offenbacher who married a cousin of our mother's - Fanny, daughter of Abra[ha]m (whom all children of Edward Herzenberg used to call Uncle Abraham.) He was the husband of Grandfather Edward Herzenberg's sister Theresa. His family name was also like all: Herzenberg. Theresa Herzenberg had many children - daughter Fanny, sons Ludwig, Harry, and 2 other sons and another daughter Sophia married to another Herzenberg (all those marriages were between cousins) who had three children, Robby (Robert) who lives in Sweden and 2 daughters Clara and Roberta (died in Riga - Bolshevik Revolution). [I am not sure if Clara and Roberta are correct for this family grouping.] After Flora Herzenberg, the 4th daughter was my Aunt Anjuta [Anna Herzenberg-Landau]. Then there was another one Genga (Eugenie) married Harry Taube from Riga - were killed by Hitler's army. She was the 5th daughter of Edward Herzenberg. The 6th was Lilja [Lilia] (1st wife of Uncle Max Landau - died in Davos, Switzerland from TB.) Then was another daughter Milja, died very young (she was the 7th daughter). The youngest daughter Tonya [Tonia] died in Moscow. Then there were two brothers, the oldest Ivan (John) married a French young girl from Mussidan, Dordogne, France. She was daughter of the Mayor of that town. Died in the north of Russia where - she was sent sick and was sent with her to Mourmansk (north of Russia). Uncle Vanja's [Vania, Ivan, John all same name wife Lydia died there [note her maiden name was Lydie Buisson]. Uncle Vanja died too in Bolshevik Revolution. Their 3 children: Micha (Michel) died probably in Moscow; his brother Andrei (Andre) Herzenberg and Suzanne Hindzee (Herzenberg) - 1st husband (French) Volant. She has a daughter in Toronto married in Toronto (Alja [or Alice Nikitina] knew her) who has two children, boy and girl. The father's family name is A. [Albert?] Statter - wife Lydie (Suzanne's daughter) - son Albert. [Irene's note: last known address was 33 Stonegate Road, Toronto, Canada, M8Y-1V8; phone 416-251-6295.]
      There was yet other families related to us through our mother's. It was a well known dentist. His name was Kovarsky. His wife was the cousin of our mother's. They had a lot of children - 3 brothers Misha (Michael), Leva (Leon), 2 daughters Choura (Alexandra). Chura who now is same age as Suzanne [Herzenberg Hindzee] - the only one alive. I forget the name of the eldest brother deceased. Manja (Mania) in Moscow knows more about that family. What was the name of the mother cousin of our mother's-probably it was yet another of the Herzenberg family. As Alja [Alice Nikitina] will be going to Moscow she will be able to find out more form Manja [Mania]. Then there was yet another family related to the wife of our grandfather through the husband or wife Idelson. There was a girl Lisa Idelson and her brother. I think that Manja must know something about them. They lived in Moscow. I used to go see them with my mother when I was about 8 or 10 years old.
      Now George Behr has written from London thanking me for my sympathy condolences on account of the death of his sister Olga Behr. She must have been older than 78 years. he thought that his aunt on his father's side, Nina Karlovna died in Moscow, as well as his cousin Leija, but I think it is relatives on the side of his father Bahr, and the cousin is perhaps of the Schneider family (it is possible that the cousin is still living). All these people lived in Moscow.
      Now what concerns the Packschwer family. The one that came to see you with the Vietnamese wife has passed away. His name was Julien Packschwer born in Vitebesk, Russia. He was 72. His younger brother Saveijn (Sahva) engineer in London named himself Packshaw, died in England 3 weeks before Julien, leaving a widow (2nd marriage) and 2 children. It was the death of his younger brother that caused reaction on Julien Packshwer. He died 3 weeks after him. He was found on a street in Nice, France with a cerebral hemorrhage-fell in the street. Police took him to the hospital St. Rock where he died at 19 hours in the evening and remained in a coma. His car 2 CV (small) stayed in the parking where he had left it. It was only his Vietnamese wife [Mado] returning from Saigon 1 month after his death that was able to retrieve that car from the parking. Yet another day or two, it would have been impounded. But as it was the widow herself then came. They did not charge her anything. But as the car was her husband's-she has to wait by inheritance law to be able to sell it and divide up in 4 parts to his children. The eldest son of another marriage Leon is an eye doctor in Paris, then 3 other children. Oldest Robert in Montreal, CA; another son in ___ was in the navy for 3 years. The oldest was in the Air force, married a girl from Morocco - they are going to have a child soon. The daughter Irene married, has a little boy, the husband is serving in the military; they live in Cayrons near Vence, France in the Packshwer house. The widow/mother Mado inherited ¼ of the sum, the children ¾ divided in 4 for each of the 4 children. Through a real estate in Vence, Julien's house of 1000 sq. meters is worth 18 million francs. If the children keep the house, they will in turn need to give on fourth of the cost to the widow who also has the right to half of his monthly pension of 30,000 francs. She came to see me day before yesterday and told me all these details. So here you have it-the relatives. The mother of the Packshwer father was 1st cousin of our mother's through the daughter of the sister of our grandfather Edward Herzenberg maiden name Theresa Herzenberg died in Nice, born I think in Mitawa [Mitau], Baltic Provinces. She was buried with her husband in Nice at the Caucade cemetery.
      Now I add what George Behr wrote from London that his wife Janet has seen Aunt Anjuta [Anna Herzenberg] in Monte Carlo, then he wrote about his cousin in Moscow who he thinks has passed away (he is going to find out about it from Manja-he asked their address in Monaco). She was the daughter of the oldest sister Polina Aronovna of his mother. Here is what concerns that family... [Balance of letter missing]."

      MARRIAGE:
      1. Edouard is first cousin with wife Renee/Rebecca according to Marie Vavchenko of Russia.

      SOURCES_MISC:
      1. Family descendent info was knowledge of Andre Herzenberg of Russia and passed on through Irene (De Lanskoy) Petersen.

  • Sources 
    1. [S3] GEDCOM File : herzenberg transfered.ged, Kenneth Frank Petersen, 4 Aug 2002.